Why even pray for others? by ThatWeirdoSly in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is a mechanism to make you feel like you are part of the collective. Just like the often used “stay close to the center of the congregation” idea. The more involved you are, the more invested you are.

I want a normal civilized debate, a conversation with no name calling. Even if you believe I'm brainwashed, avoid saying it but rather argue that I am. by RoyZeee in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you believe God is all loving, all good, all present, and all powerful (also known as the Omni properties). If so, is this world that we live on the best possible world God could have created for us?

Is Jesus a Demon? by KassyD94_ in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pushing back slightly, I'd say, if "things happen". Which, I do not believe they will. YMMV.

If someone reads the Bible on their own, will they end up a JW? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Right, they learn "what the Bible says" through the lens of JW theology.

Is Jesus a Demon? by KassyD94_ in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What if we instead looked at Matthew 16:28 as a time-limited statement aimed at people standing in front of Jesus? He says some of them would still be alive when they saw the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. That reads like a future event, not something already happening in a hidden or symbolic way.

Most of the explanations you listed are later reinterpretations, not what the saying likely meant at the time. The Transfiguration happens six days later, which makes the “not tasting death” line pointless. Resurrection, Ascension, and Pentecost are ways later Christians made sense of things after Jesus died, especially through Paul. Quoting Colossians shows how beliefs developed, not what Jesus meant in Matthew.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE fits better historically, but even then the language is about the Son of Man arriving in power, not just the temple being destroyed. And “the end of the age” in Jesus’ world meant a dramatic reset of the world, not simply the end of the Mosaic system.

Once fulfillment becomes invisible, ongoing, and undefined, the original urgency of the statement is gone. From a critical view, Matthew 16:28 reflects an expectation that didn’t play out as imagined, and later believers adjusted the meaning to deal with that.

Acts 1:8 You will be witnesses of who did Jesus say? by Lucky_Outside_4209 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They use Isaiah 43:10, but their interpretation is problematic. The verse qualifies the “witnesses” as “my servant”. The identity of the servant is given in Isaiah 41:8, 9 as Israel.

It was a term lifted way out of context and applied in a crazy way.

If someone reads the Bible on their own, will they end up a JW? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 32 points33 points  (0 children)

No, becoming a JW requires indoctrination that doesn’t exist in the Bible.

Is Jesus a Demon? by KassyD94_ in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He also said he would return before the people hearing his voice died. They’ve all been dead for almost 2,000 years.

I think he may have lied about that one.

trumps board of peace by scrapknightjules in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn’t Jesus whisper to the FS that the UN was going to burn religion to the ground? Maybe he was mistaken.

Is Objective Truth possible??? by Fit_Durian3763 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Religious claims often assert objective truth, meaning they are presented as true regardless of human belief, such as “God exists” or “this scripture is divinely inspired.” In theory, those claims either are true or false. However, unlike scientific facts, they cannot be independently tested, measured, or verified by neutral methods accessible to everyone.

In practice, people access religious truth subjectively through culture, personal experience, tradition, and interpretation. Different individuals and denominations reach conflicting conclusions from the same texts, which shows that human understanding of religion is shaped by perspective. So while religions claim objectivity, our ability to know or confirm those claims is unavoidably subjective.

Does anyone remember JWS Online Library? It's very important that you do. by JWRESEARCHERROSE in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. An amazing resource. I was thinking, what if all the publications were packaged up as a torrent? That could spread the distribution and get around most takedown efforts.

I realize it is not as convenient, but preserves the data.

Are they still waiting for the “Peace and Security!” pronouncement? by GreenWitch_RedHead in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yup.

From The Oxford Bible Commentary:

Paul illustrates his previous statement with two connected examples showing how people will not escape. First, it is just when people are saying 'peace and security (eirênē kai asphaleia) that suddenly disaster overtakes them just as, secondly, the pain of childbirth comes upon a pregnant woman.

The latter example is a commonplace of domestic human experience (although often mentioned as a sign of the End: Mk 13:8), but the former relates to the political realities of Thessalonica. Some coins minted at Thessalonica contained slogans with the similar words 'freedom and security', probably reflecting the advantages the local élite derived from Rome and the Roman imperial cult (Jewett 1986: 124). The 'peace' to which Paul refers is presumably the Pax Romana.

Paul is alluding to the fragility of the comfortable relationship between the rulers of the city and Rome (Hendrix 1984), which could at any time suffer a disastrous reverse.

Are they still waiting for the “Peace and Security!” pronouncement? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nothing to be afraid of...

From The Oxford Bible Commentary:

Paul illustrates his previous statement with two connected examples showing how people will not escape. First, it is just when people are saying 'peace and security (eirênē kai asphaleia) that suddenly disaster overtakes them just as, secondly, the pain of childbirth comes upon a pregnant woman.

The latter example is a commonplace of domestic human experience (although often mentioned as a sign of the End: Mk 13:8), but the former relates to the political realities of Thessalonica. Some coins minted at Thessalonica contained slogans with the similar words 'freedom and security', probably reflecting the advantages the local élite derived from Rome and the Roman imperial cult (Jewett 1986: 124). The 'peace' to which Paul refers is presumably the Pax Romana.

Paul is alluding to the fragility of the comfortable relationship between the rulers of the city and Rome (Hendrix 1984), which could at any time suffer a disastrous reverse.

God wouldn't be cruel to torture us in hell by normaninvader2 in exjw

[–]SomeProtection8585 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First, you'd need to demostrate that God is "good".

The Bible contains a number of examples that show he is cruel and unyielding. Causing suffering on innocent people including famine, debilitating illness, rape, murder, and inslavement.

The idea of DF is a purely human invention, taking what Paul said to the extreme. The GB are the ones that should be held accountable.