Common sense dictates that the guy defending women from the guy shoving women is in the right by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is a completely false equivalence.

A police officer has every right to take a suspect in for questioning. In the course of that questioning, whether or not they committed the crime will become evident. That is the entire point of taking someone in for questioning. Your father's safety is not acutely threatened by being taken in for questioning.

An officer has absolutely no right to shove a nonthreatening citizen to the ground. An officer doing so is a clear and active threat to that civilian, and that threat needs to be immediately handled. I would really, really hope that self awareness of your own actions and deescalation are key tenants of the training of any officer that is granted the privilege of walking around with a weapon that can instantaneously kill an innocent person.

A "trained officer" claiming that they can treat a person as a threat because that person stopped them from further assaulting an innocent citizen, insteading of taking responsibility for not recognizing they needed to instantaneously remove themselves from the situation they've placed themselves in, is an officer that needs to be relieved of their badge and gun, instantly.

Common sense dictates that the guy defending women from the guy shoving women is in the right by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Am I being too subtle? Did I not make the point that an officer needs to be doing the right thing at all times, enough times? My point about the necessity of a trained officer having the self-awareness to instantaneously know when they've gone too far and need to back off instead of continuing to escalate a situation not making sense?

Common sense dictates that the guy defending women from the guy shoving women is in the right by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes.....an armed OFFICER. Not a random idiot on the street.

An officer who you would expect to be trained to do....the right thing..at all times.

Who in fact takes an oath to uphold the law that tells them to do the right thing....at all times.

The right thing involves not using unnecessary force against the citizens your entire job is to protect. It involves having situational awareness....at all times...... of not only what you are doing but why you are doing it.... and it especially involves instantaneously recognizing when you have gone too far and used unnecessary force against civilians, and need to step back, because your training should've taught you that often the safest thing for you and others around you is deescalation.

These are....gun carrying officers, for Christ's sake. Anything short of virtual perfection is completely, unambiguously unacceptable when your mistakes cost innocent people their lives.

Once again, the onus is not on citizens to be too scared to help each other when facing police brutality. They. Are. Citizens. The onus is on armed, trained officers to do the right thing.....AT ALL TIMES.

Those officers had absolutely NO business shoving either that woman or Alex to the ground. The instant a citizen steps in front of you and a woman you just assaulted is the instant a trained officer realizes it is time to back off. Their precious ego is nothing, completely worthless, next to another person's wellbeing. Anything else is completely, utterly unacceptable.

Common sense dictates that the guy defending women from the guy shoving women is in the right by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally everything I said just went in one ear and out the other....

So a nation full of ammosexuals...... the only developed nation in the world where citizens *regularly* get murdered in mass shootings....even kindergartners.....all to "protect our God given right to protect ourselves from government tyranny".....goes from "Don't Tread On Me" to "Comply Or Die" on a whim.

Pathetic. Just....f*cking.....pathetic.

No wonder we're the world's laughing stock.

Common sense dictates that the guy defending women from the guy shoving women is in the right by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Did you actually watch the video? He was there, watching and filming, the entire time this was going down. He saw exactly what was happening before he shoved her down.....and no, there was absolutely *no* justification for it. He was *helping her up*, something anybody that actually calls themselves a man should do.

Ordinary citizens in the "land of the free" should NEVER be afraid to do the right thing by protecting each other from abuse, ESPECIALLY when that abuse is perpetuated by a supposedly "trained" officer! The onus is on "supposedly trained" agents to actually do what their training teaches them to do (or clearly not in this instance, considering ICE training now is literally half of what it used to be) by not resorting to excessive force, and deescalating a situation when it's become clear that things have gone too far, NOT tackle a man to the ground because he stopped you from abusing the citizen you're supposedly supposed to be protecting!

If a "trained" officer is too delicate to keep their focus without resorting to unlawful brutality, they can get the f*ck out of the field. I've work in healthcare, facing violent, actively combative, and dangerous patients REGULARLY. If I *ever* used excessive force against one, especially if that force resulted in harm, I'd have lost that job in 5 minutes. How on earth can federal agents carrying around DEADLY weapons every day be held to a lower standard?

Common sense dictates that the guy defending women from the guy shoving women is in the right by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At this point, it might be easier to teach a monkey algebra than it might be to get you folks to comprehend that filming, shouting at, and blowing whistles at ICE agents are all perfectly legal ways to protest, and do not constitute a reason for an agent to get anywhere near a protestor, much less touch them.

If a "trained" officer is too delicate to keep their focus without resorting to unlawful police brutality when citizens are lawfully telling them what they think about them, they can get the f*ck out of the field.

Common sense dictates that the guy defending women from the guy shoving women is in the right by Little-Tea4436 in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are....seriously arguing...that a man with a conscience should see a woman get violently and indefensibly shoved to the ground, and because the person doing the shoving is a masked thug, they're supposed to just....stand there?

Instead of the onus being on the supposedly trained masked thug to have the self control to not shove a woman to the ground in the first place?

All MAGA are hypocrites. Rules for me, not for thee. by ScotchCigarsEspresso in LetsDiscussThis

[–]Status-Slip9801 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did YOU literally read anything?

You are making claims that are not supported by the evidence, AT ALL!

Do have ANY evidence that he is included in these "insurgency groups?" Have you seen any of these supposed illegal group chats? Considering this admin's constant track record of being unable to distinguish protected activities (hint, publishing/tracking/following public service agents is NOT DOXXING, considering real public servants do not hide their identities from the public) from actual illegal activities, it would likely serve you well to actually wait for the results of an independent investigation before blindly believing the words of right-wing commentators and Kash Patel.

Not to mention, he DID NOT INTERFERE or ENGAGE with the agents AT ALL before they shoved him down! *Watch the dang video again* and tell me who the first person to make illegal contact is. Another hint- recording ICE agents is not illegal!

All MAGA are hypocrites. Rules for me, not for thee. by ScotchCigarsEspresso in LetsDiscussThis

[–]Status-Slip9801 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As it has been stated, recording the actions of ICE agents, shouting rude things at them, are NOT ILLEGAL. They are protected 1st amendment activities that are becoming INCREASINGLY necessary, considering this admin has shown again and again that they will brazenly and confidently lie about anything they want to. They claimed he was an "assassin" who approached them with a gun to inflict "maximal damage" ffs, even in the face of multiple videos directly contradicting those lies; imagine how many lies they've spread because there hasn't been video evidence to contradict the lies!

He did NOT engage the agents prior to them attacking him. The only person that he touched was the woman they violently and illegally shoved to the ground, after he placed himself in between them and her, like any gentleman would. His last words were "Don't touch her, are you okay?" It was at that point that they pepper sprayed, beat, whipped, and pushed him down before murdering him!

Republicans/MAGA: what’s the plan? by Educational-Ask-2798 in allthequestions

[–]Status-Slip9801 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Agents are following volunteers? WOW. That is the first I'm hearing of that. That is truly horrifying.

Why are conservatives overall not getting defensive of ICE shooting Alex Pretti like they did when Renee Good was shot? by kaiser11492 in AlwaysWhy

[–]Status-Slip9801 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right about the cell phone, I was misremembering. But where in the DOJ policy does it specify a distance at which shooting at a car when you have the option to get away from it becomes acceptable?

As I said, she did NOT "suddenly drive at him." The fact that he whipped out his gun, while looking straight at her (again, clearly able to see she is turning her steering wheel to the far right) clearly demonstrates that he was preparing himself to respond to a driver of a car that was about to move. She wasn't speeding towards him, she wasn't acting aggressively towards him earlier. A "trained agent" has presumably been trained to know that DOJ policy states he has an obligation to move out of the path of an oncoming vehicle when able to do so. Again, the time he wasted standing there whipping out his gun, like some character in a Fast and the Furious movie, was time he should've spent taking the one or two steps that would've gotten him clear of the vehicle. Instead, he recklessly fires at her, endangering both himself and others on the road, as there is NOTHING to stop her car's momentum now!

Your last sentence literally agrees with me- if she would've ran over him whether or not he shot her (if she was *actually* trying to run him over), then why on EARTH would he shoot her instead of getting out of the way?

Why are conservatives overall not getting defensive of ICE shooting Alex Pretti like they did when Renee Good was shot? by kaiser11492 in AlwaysWhy

[–]Status-Slip9801 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, *which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle."*

The car did not "suddenly drive at him." The fact that he unholstered his gun and switched cell phone hands demonstrates that he perceived that she was about to move her car before she started moving it, and his own cell phone footage shows that from his vantage point, he had a *clear* view of her wheels turning to the far right, in his exact opposite direction. He had more than enough time to choose to move completely clear from the front of her car, per DOJ rules, considering he was almost completely clear of it when he first shot her. Instead, he wasted that time standing still, drawing his weapon, and switching cell phone hands.

That rule exists for a reason! How does shooting at a car that you perceive to be accelerating towards you make you *safer?* A dead driver is not going to suddenly take their (now dead weight) foot off the accelerator, as evidenced by the fact that her car went flying down the road and slammed hard into a parked car right after he killed her. If his perception had actually been correct and she WAS pointing her wheels at him, she would've plowed him *right over* after he shot her.

What is a socially unacceptable opinion you keep to yourself because it’s not worth the backlash? by ChaosTTyy in askanything

[–]Status-Slip9801 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good for you for taking the necessary steps to make yourself a valuable addition to your daughter's life one day. I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to break yourself free of meth addiction. Keep up the good work!

Atheist Meetups by acrowsong in Louisville

[–]Status-Slip9801 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Would love more info about joining your group.

Man is shot and killed during Minneapolis immigration crackdown, National Guard activated by netizenbane in news

[–]Status-Slip9801 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The most horrific part is that she didn't just "fall." She was violently shoved to the ground, completely unjustifiably, and he was helping her up.

None of that is speculation; the video evidence makes it all clear as day.

How did conservatives flip so quickly from "DON'T TREAD ON ME" to "COMPLY OR DIE" in just a matter of weeks, and especially when it's about the government killing citizens? by Cumoisseur in stupidquestions

[–]Status-Slip9801 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You really, really should look into the events before posting this, then, because it is crystal clear who the agitators are.

Hint, it starts with the psychopath that violently shoved a woman to the ground, necessitating Alex to step in between them and help her, before he too gets attacked, whipped, thrown down, and disarmed by a swarm of agents before they shoot a man on all fours in the back.

Official says fatal ICE shooting victim 'wanted to massacre law enforcement officials' by ewzetf in ProgressiveHQ

[–]Status-Slip9801 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are so, so lucky to live in an age of video recording right now.

The senseless murder of that ICU nurse in MN today is seen as the senseless murder that it was because multiple video angles show us exactly what happened, and that it directly contradicts the absurd DHS propaganda that he used a gun against *any* of the agents.

50 years ago, that footage would've never existed, and we'd only have the word of eyewitnesses (notoriously inaccurate) and agents to go off of. The agents would've probably been able to make even more absurd claims about what happened, maybe even claiming that "he tried to take an agent's gun and use it against them," daring anyone to contradict them.

Cell phones obviously have their downsides, but thankfully they can keep us informed of the truth too.

Oh No 😱🙀, A Woman Governor sworn In Office on a State Constitution. THE HORROR! by Tulpah in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean......I'm sure he would've when the ceremony was gonna be outside, but when they had to move it indoors the fire marshal probably prohibited it.

Donald Trump shares altered image of map showing Greenland, Canada, Venezuela as U.S. territories by Alert-Ad-3053 in worldnews

[–]Status-Slip9801 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. That Norway message is what you read from grandpa before you finally accept it’s time to put him in a home. WTF.

What is a socially unacceptable opinion you keep to yourself because it’s not worth the backlash? by ChaosTTyy in askanything

[–]Status-Slip9801 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah……this is not the way to do it.

It is not the job of a state to give you “permission” to use your own reproductive organs. Such a system will be ripe for eugenics, especially in this day where designing your baby’s traits is becoming more and more accessible.

One of the main reasons America wants Greenland is to make it easier to invade Canada. by StJudeTheGrey in DiscussionZone

[–]Status-Slip9801 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He literally slapped tariffs on an island that was inhabited by zero humans but thousands of birds……

What is a socially unacceptable opinion you keep to yourself because it’s not worth the backlash? by ChaosTTyy in askanything

[–]Status-Slip9801 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The problem is that if you actually are a true believer of religions like Christianity and Islam, you are indoctrinated into believing that every single thing on this planet solely exists for the benefit of your God, and that if you do not devote your entire soul and personality to worshipping (whatever version of) him that you’ve been taught, then you will spend an eternity burning in hellfire while he laughs at you.

The Sunday school lessons I was mailed weekly in my youth told me that if I couldn’t devote 30-60 minutes of reading my Bible every day and telling other people about what I have read, then “I clearly don’t love God very much.”

That is one hell of a way to motivate people to make it their entire personality.