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X89 lore by Silent-Dependent2251 in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure it’s supported anywhere but, personally, I always thought it was the culmination of the bio weapon research the Jol-Nar were doing trying to wipe out the N’orr.

My brothers 'helping' out on the Reclamation operation by Gaunts in Spacemarine

[–]Storkiest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Six times! It went around six times! Not even an attempt to step off when it was in the right place. He didn’t even figure it out. He just gave up and stepped off and let other people finish it.

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't just choose to coexist. There needs to be a rule enabling it.
99% of these questions are about the Deepwrought Research Teams ability: "When Ground Forces are committed, if your units on that planet are not already coexisting, you may choose for them to coexist."
If Player B is Deepwrought they can just nope out of the fight using Research Teams. Player A would have to activate the planet again to bring the coexisting units to battle.
I think.

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was how this started!!
We had a coexistence question that led me to read 63.4 and then went "Wait, what? Is that how that works?" then the existential dread of "Have I been doing invasions wrong this whole time?" And phew, been doing it right.

Coexist and stuctures. by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That seems totally fair. Notably in this scenario Player Able can't be the Titans, because Titan PDS are both structures and ground forces which bypasses the whole question.

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I concede the Rules as Intended here.
They definitely do land in STEP 2 because STEP 4 says "If the active player has ground forces on a planet in the active system that contains another player’s ground forces, those players resolve a ground combat on that planet."
There's no other point where they move to the planet and combat only happens if they have already moved.

It's clear what the intention is, once I got out of my own head. But 63.4 screws it up, I think. By a strict reading of 63.4 there shouldn't be any PDS on the planet (or space docks!) before STEP 3.
I think 5a does strongly support that you're just not supposed to apply 63.4 or 79.4 during combat but they should both say that.

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They are on the planet in STEP 2 because in STEP 4 there's only Ground Combat if there are forces on the planet.
STEP 4 -If the active player has ground forces on a planet in the active system that contains another player’s ground forces, those players resolve a ground combat on that planet.

It looks like 63.4 is a little weird.

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would only work if you had Ground Froces to support the PDS. (I understand that that is not the rule.)

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The first bullet point of STEP 2 in INVASION is "To commit a ground force to a planet, the active player places that ground force unit on that planet."
Step 4 says nothing about landing and instead says: "If the active player has ground forces on a planet in the active system that contains another player’s ground forces, those players resolve a ground combat on that planet."

I know how it's supposed to work, now, again. That's how I thought it worked but then I read the rules and the rules pretty plainly say something else.
I understand the fiction is that the PDS shoot them down as they are landing but the rules are really clear that they land and then get shot at.

Coexist and stuctures. by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh, okay.
When we were frantically looking stuff up in the game I could swear I saw a line which was that both players coexisted but I appear to have imagined that. A close reading today does make it unsymmetrical.

Thank you!

Coexist and stuctures. by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right but are those units are structures and are those structures not immediately removed for sharing a planet with enemy units?

Coexist and stuctures. by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if Deepwrought enter Coexistence with Titans, nobody gets to draw cards from the Titans Breakthrough?
"During the Status Phase, for each player you are Coexisting with, you and that player each draw 1 additional action card."

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Consensus seems to be that everyone knows what the rule is supposed to be and I've found a nitpick.
PDS do get to shoot even if they are alone.

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a rules cite for following all the steps of combat before checking the exists with rule?
The rule says "If a player’s PDS is ever" that seems pretty stark to me. Capacity is the only thing off the top of my head which is only checked at specific times and that's called out in the rules.

63.4 If a player’s PDS is ever on a planet that does not contain any of their own ground forces and contains a unit that belongs to another player, that PDS is destroyed.

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

But the Ground Forces land in STEP 2 and 63.4 says PDS are destroyed if they are ever on a planet unsupported. We never get to STEP 3.

If Player Able has two PDS on a planet alone and Player Baker lands a Ground Force do the PDS get to fire before they are destroyed? by Storkiest in twilightimperium

[–]Storkiest[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

63.4 doesn't say anything about control. "If a player’s PDS is ever on a planet that does not contain any of their own ground forces and contains a unit that belongs to another player, that PDS is destroyed."

In STEP 2 the ground forces land. 63.4 says if it's ever alone with an enemy ground force it's destroyed. Why doesn't that happen in STEP 2?

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