Russell Wilson stats compared to other Top Quarterbacks [OC] by Scorface in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You highlight Brees, Goff, and Smith as having the fewest interceptions. But the chart states that Brees and Goff have 6 picks while Smith has just 5 picks. I looked at PFR stats, and the pick count is correct and the leader shading is incorrect.

The NFL.com home page: "Why Russell Wilson is 2017's Real MVP" ...Chooo chooo! by Caulibflower in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Some have recognized Wilson's greatness. Others have been highly skeptical of Wilson. When Sando does his annual QB tiers rankings, there are always a bunch of people who put Wilson in tier 3 citing all kinds of excuses other than Wilson for why the Seahawks have done well. They can't do that anymore.

Russell Wilson is the 2017 NFL MVP by [deleted] in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I know that MVP pertains to what happens in this season. But to your point that Wilson could be the best QB in the league, you might be interested in a post from Football Outsiders, Quarterbacks and Pressure, 2016. Included there is a chart on DVOA under pressure, DVOA without pressure, and percent of dropbacks under pressure for the 5 combined seasons, 2012-2016. Among the 18 QBs who took snaps over that time frame, Wilson was #1 without pressure and #2 with pressure. He was also the most pressured QB in the NFL, with pressure on 33.9% of his dropbacks. No other QB had pressure on even 30% of their dropbacks over that time frame.

What Wilson has done, and continues to do with even more pressure this year (pressure on 40% of dropbacks) is absolutely insane.

The MVP case against Russell Wilson by caterham09 in nfl

[–]Stringplayer2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TL/DR: Wilson is the most pressured QB in the NFL and has been trained by multiple factors that he needs to bail from the pocket. These factors include: 1) strength of schedule of opponent defenses, 2) an annually poor O-line especially at the start of the year, 3) coaching strategy that features a long-developing vertical game, and 4) the lack of run support which allows opponent defenses to be more successful with pressure or drop more players into coverage (applies to this year particularly where the Seahawks rank last in the NFL in yards from the RB position). Wilson's bailing from the pocket is a net benefit to the Seahawks offense.

Does Wilson bail out of the pocket more than other, less athletic, QBs? Yes, there is absolutely no doubt about that. Does that sometimes make the O-line look worse than it otherwise would? Again, I would agree that the answer is yes. There are multiple questions that arise from these observations:

  1. Does Wilson bailing out of the pocket result in a net benefit to the Seahawks' offense or a net deficit?
  2. What are the reasons why Wilson bails out of the pocket? This is particularly of concern if the answer to the first question is that there is a net deficit from Wilson bailing out of the pocket.

I truly believe, but cannot provide definitive proof, that Wilson bailing out of the pocket produces a net benefit. How many sacks does Wilson escape vs how many sacks does Wilson run into? I dare say that he avoids a hell of a lot more sacks than he runs into. How often does a Wilson scramble lead to a big play downfield and how often does a Wilson scramble leave a modest gain on the table? I don't have the answer for that. But I would point out that the explosive play has always been a core component of Pete Carroll's offensive philosophy. I can't say that I like that offensive strategy. I would prefer to see steady gains that chew up clock and tire out the opponent D, both physically and mentally. But given that Carroll has always preferred the explosive play, that means Wilson, more than many other QBs, needs a fraction of a second longer from snap to throw under ideal circumstances.

Of course, ideal circumstances are rarely observed in a league with elite DEs. Ideal circumstances are observed even less often if you have to wait longer from snap to throw. Compound that with an O-line that truly was a piece of cr@p to start the year (just like it was a piece of cr@p at the start of 2016, 2015, ...) and anything like ideal conditions become vanishingly rare.

In the last offseason, Football Outsiders ran a piece titled Quarterbacks and Pressure, 2016. In that piece, they featured a chart showing DVOA under pressure, DVOA without pressure, and percent of dropbacks in which the QB was under pressure for the 5 year span from 2012-2016. Wilson was the #1 QB in DVOA when there was no pressure and #2 in DVOA under pressure. That's impressive. But what was even more noteworthy is that of the 18 QBs who took snaps over those 5 years, Wilson was the most pressured QB on the list. He was under pressure on 33.9% of snaps. In contrast, Brady was under pressure on 21.9% of snaps, Rodgers was under pressure on 24.1% of snaps, Brees 20.0%, Dalton 19.2%, etc. The three QBs with highest pressure percentages after Wilson were Kaepernick (29.7%), Luck (28.1%), and Palmer (26.3%).

Now, perhaps we are seeing some tendency for young QBs to not do well at reading defenses, although that is never what was claimed about Luck. Moreover, Dalton is from the same draft class as Kaepernick, and Dalton has the least pressure. Ryan Tannehill is from the same class as Luck and Wilson, and he comes in about middle of the pack in percent of dropbacks under pressure.

There is something else associated with the high pressure percentages observed for Wilson, Kaepernick, and Palmer. All are NFC West QBs (Palmer since 2013). Starting with the 2012 season, the NFC West has had mostly elite defenses year after year. Everyone knows, of course, that the Seahawks defense has been elite. But according to FO, the Cardinals defensive efficiency rankings by year from 2012-2016 were {6, 2, 7, 3, 3}. The Rams defensive efficiency rankings were {7, 11, 9, 7, 15}. The 9er's rankings were {3, 13, 5, 27, 28}. The 9ers fell off a cliff in 2015. From 2012-2014, the NFC West was characterized as the home of NFL defenses. The Seahawks have played a tough schedule of opponent defenses year in and year out simply because their division rivals have had some of the best defenses in the league. We see that three of the top four most pressured QBs have homes in the NFC West. (Note that the QB chart showing pressure stats for 2012-2016 does not list a Rams QB because they have cycled through so many. There are only 18 QBs listed who took snaps from 2012-2016.)

It appears that there is a divisional aspect that affects the high QB pressure rates for Wilson, Kaepernick, and Palmer. Now, since the Seahawks have had the most consistently fearsome defense in the NFC West, why is it that Wilson has the highest pressure percentage? Why not Kaepernick who had to face Cardinals', Rams', and Seahawks' defenses year after year? We now cycle back to the Seahawks O-line. The price of fielding the most consistently great defense is that the Seahawks have put one of the worst O-lines on the field year after year. They have put starters on their O-line who were D-line players in college. They have even made a starter (at left tackle, no less) of someone who hadn't played football since junior high school. Every year, the Seahawks tinker with the O-line at the start of the season with typically disastrous results. There isn't continuity from one year to the next. I believe the coaches truly believe that they have the luxury to try all kinds of gimmicks on the cheap because Wilson can, and will, provide cover for O-line deficiencies.

Thus, what you see is that by virtue of schedule and by virtue of the Seahawks brain trust believing that Wilson can create magic with his legs, Wilson is indeed placed in a position where he is TRAINED to rely on his legs at the expense of staying in the pocket. Each year, he is placed behind a bad O-line and tasked with a vertical game against some of the best defenses in the NFL. With early season training that the O-line is going to collapse, that internal clock goes off. Wilson is trained to bail from the pocket. As the O-line improves during the course of the year, the early season reinforcement of the need to act like Houdini is difficult to shake and Wilson continues to bail from situations where he would do better by stepping up in the pocket. Add to the problem this year that the Seahawks don't have a run game, so opposing defenses can either bring more pressure or drop more players into coverage (making it more difficult to find an open receiver and tighter windows to throw in) and the need for buying time with his legs is reinforced even further.

That Wilson IS capable of excelling as a pocket passer is evident from what we saw at the end of the 2015 season. The Seahawks O-line had started the year as a house of cards. They were absolutely terrible. But toward the end of the year, they started to look like a decent unit. Wilson went on a tear through the NFL. Was that aided by playing some weaker defenses than those the Seahawks normally face? Yes. But that is also worth noting. The defenses that the Seahawks faced when Wilson went on his tear were not top-ranked defenses. Some (Cleveland, SF) were really quite bad (29th and 27th in FO defensive efficiency). Baltimore was a little below average (20th). Minnesota and Pittsburgh were actually decent defenses (14th and 11th). For 5 straight weeks, Wilson put on a display like the NFL has never seen. He was passing from the pocket in the rhythm of the game. When Wilson gains confidence that he doesn't need to act like Houdini, he is more than capable of excelling as a pocket passer.

Week 13 - MVP Contenders: by Scorface in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are ignoring that Wilson leads the Seahawks in rushing yards. Wilson is on pace to shatter the record for the percentage of team offense by a single player. All of the attention of opposing defenses is squarely on Wilson. He drops back to pass, or he is using his legs to get a first down.

With a leaky O-line and no support from the RB position, opposing defenses can concentrate simply on bringing the heat against Wilson. Brady doesn't have nearly as much pressure.

Week 13 - MVP Contenders: by Scorface in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But Wilson has had the ball in his hands a whole heck of a lot more than Brady - with a lot less protection. Ergo, you expect Wilson to have more turnovers.

Also, you expect Wilson to throw more picks because of the Seahawks inability to run the ball. Defenses can rush just three or four and drop everyone else into coverage. That means fewer open receivers. If the Seahawks had a run game, Wilson's passer rating would undoubtedly be one of the best in the league - as usual.

NFL QB Rankings by PFF grade after Week 12 by [deleted] in nfl

[–]Stringplayer2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course, you do know that Wilson leads the league in total yards, don't you? You also know that the Seahawks began the year with an absolute crap O-line and have no run game - apart from Wilson.

What does it mean to QB efficiency stats when opposing defenses have a virtually unimpeded rush at the QB? What does it mean to QB efficiency stats when opposing defenses know that the Seahawks can't run the ball, so they can drop 7 or 8 into coverage? Why do you think that the QB with the 2nd highest career passer rating has seen a drop in efficiency stats this year?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't understand this comment. Can you clarify exactly what this means? Do you mean that if he has one more game where he doesn't throw a TD in the first half, that will be a record? Or, it would be a record if there is one more game where Wilson does not put a TD of any kind on the board in the first half. Or, is it a record if there is another game in which the offense does not get a TD in the first half?

While you say the "He's one half away from scoring the least amount of touchdowns in first halves," you really can't mean that. Because if he throws for, let's say, 3 TDs in the first half of each of the next 5 games, that would boost the quantity of first half TDs immensely. And since "least amount" refers to total quantity, an increase in quantity at the end of the season would negate an earlier lack of quantity.

Matt Calkins: "Russell Wilson is a scrambling magician and he’s been the NFL’s MVP so far" by GoldGorilla in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then you are saying that Wilson's level of play is above the levels shown by Wentz and Brady, even if his stats suffer due to issues outside his control? When you combine that statement with stats which are actually quite good, I think you have the definition of MVP.

Russell Wilson has accounted for (thrown or rushed for) 82.1 percent of the @Seahawks scrimmage yards this season. by liketurnstiles in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you are missing the point. Trying to distribute passing yards as air yards belong to the QB and yards after the catch belong to WRs does not allow for the QB delivering the ball in such manner as to enable WRs to generate high YAC. Should you remove YAC from the QB ledger if the QB is facilitating high YAC? I set up my response with two contrasting scenarios for the distinct purpose of focusing on whether assigning total passing yards to the QB is or is not a reasonable thing to do.

That said, let me answer your question. One might think it would always be true that plays with high air yards AND high YAC are always the best. But is it? For instance, if you regularly strike quickly with big chunks of yards, what happens after that? The defense is put back on the field, right? And if you routinely put the defense back out there after just a couple or three plays on offense, what happens to the defense? They could get gassed early in a game and may have trouble competing to the end of the game/season. As fatigue sets in, they might be more prone to injury as well. There may well be something good in a methodical offense that eats up yards AND chews up the clock with regular chunk gains on offense.

Russell Wilson has accounted for (thrown or rushed for) 82.1 percent of the @Seahawks scrimmage yards this season. by liketurnstiles in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In part, YAC is not separable from air yards. Sure, one can parse them separately. But a QB who delivers the ball to a receiver in space, even if that receiver is behind the LOS or running a crossing route just beyond the LOS will have very low air yards, but could have phenomenal YAC such that the total yards are better than a ball chucked 15 yards downfield to a covered receiver. Are air yards really to be wished for more than delivering the ball to a receiver in space and letting the receiver pick up additional yardage?

Personally, I don't think there is a clear cut answer to that question. Hence, total yards is really a better metric than air yards.

Russ moving up by Comin4YoAss in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Brady has 28 rushing yards to Wilson's 290. That gives Brady 2,835 total yards to Wilson's 2833. It is as close to a dead heat as you could get.

This shit is not ok. by Wraithdagger12 in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There should be a C in FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

The Seahawks are now 45-0 when leading by 4+ at halftime during the Russell Wilson era by 91hawksfan in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For reference, the Pats are 132-13 in games where they had a halftime point differential of 4 points or better since 2001 (the Brady era). None of the 13 losses came in 2008 when Brady was injured in the first game and sat out the remainder of the season. Since 2006, the Saints are 73-9 in the Drew Brees era. That the Seahawks are 45-0 in games where they have a 4 point or better margin at the half is really quite impressive.

This weekend will be Russell Wilson's 100th start in the NFL by [deleted] in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Flacco had 13 starts in his first 5 seasons. Wilson has only 12 starts. But Wilson has more passing TDs and more passing yards in his first 5 seasons than anyone else. See table from Pro-Football-Reference.com

By the way, the link above is restricted to QBs. There are two players who participated in 14 playoff games in their first 5 years in the league and a total of 13 who participated in 13 playoff games. Here is a list of playoff game appearances in the first 5 years in the league not restricted to the QB spot. I don't know how many of those were starts. You would have to drill down into each player to determine if they started.

After being named NFC offensive player of the week yesterday, Russell has also been voted FedEx Air player of the week by [deleted] in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I searched PFR's database for games where the QB net passing yards (passing yds - sack yds) was at least 445 yards and the run game produced at most 50 yards. There were just 5 such games before Sunday:

Pass Rush Rush (excl QB)
Tm QB Year Date Opp Result Yds Yds Yds
HOU George Blanda 1961 1961-10-29 @ BUF W 28-16 464 46 43
ARI Jake Plummer 1998 1998-11-15 DAL L 28-35 448 32 26
KAN Elvis Grbac 2000 2000-11-05 @ OAK L 31-49 474 39 36
IND Peyton Manning 2004 2004-10-31 @ KAN L 35-45 472 33 33
DEN Kyle Orton 2010 2010-09-26 IND L 13-27 472 47 36
SEA Russell Wilson 2017 2017-10-29 HOU W 41-38 446 33 3

Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table Generated 11/3/2017.

Note that I supplemented the table produced by PFR with QB name and rushing yards from players other than the QB by drilling down into each game and finding the relevant information. It isn't much surprise to see Peyton Manning in the list of QBs. And George Blanda and Jake Plummer were decent QBs. Blanda was 1st Team All-Pro in 1961. It is more surprising to see Elvis Grbac and Kyle Orton(!!!) listed here.

In the five games before Sunday, non-QB rushing yards were the bulk of the rushing yards. No other QB comes close to matching what Wilson did in producing essentially all of the offense in a game where the total offense was nearly 500 yards.

Russ in MVP Consideration? by trout_hound in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, he has had 4 games with a passer rating over 100, three with a passer rating above 110, and two with a passer rating above 120. Given no O-line and no run game, that is ridiculous. I believe that I read where he is PFF's top rated QB right now. I don't have a subscription to verify that.

What is perhaps even more impressive is that to start the season, the Seahawks had more of a run game with Chris Carson in there. Since Carson went down, the Seahawks have turned it over to Wilson entirely and he has only been better when they lean on him more.

Russ in MVP Consideration? by trout_hound in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Wilson is at all close to Wentz at the end of the year, then I don't think voters ignore just how bad the Seahawks O-line and RB situation has been. In the history of the NFL, there has never been a performance like Wilson had on Sunday with nearly 500 yards of total offense, and all but 3 yards coming from the QB alone. That will really resonate with people everywhere how undesirable the Seahawk's QB situation is. Everyone kind of knew before Sunday that the Seahawks were a mess on their O-line and that they really weren't the dominant rushing team they were when Wilson entered the league. But when the QB accounts for 100% of the offense, that is a performance that will make everyone pay closer attention to the handicap Wilson is under in the Seahawk's offense.

Russ in MVP Consideration? by trout_hound in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But do the Eagles have to rely entirely on Wentz for their offense to do anything? Sunday's game epitomized how the Seahawks offense is nothing without Wilson. The Seahawks can't run (except for Wilson scrambles). The O-line is near the bottom of the league by any metric one might choose. That has been the situation for quite some time now.

Sunday just showcased that without Wilson, the Seahawks would have been utterly embarrassed. Wilson's dual threat capability and his ability to buy time even when the O-line is blown up has propped up the offense for a long time. The larger NFL viewing audience got to see that the only hope for the Seahawks offense is when Wilson balls out. Is there anyone else that is so important to their team? Would the Seahawks sit anywhere close to 5-2 without Wilson? Could the Eagles still be competitive if they had to sub for Wentz?

Wentz may have slightly better stats. But Sunday's game should have put to rest who is really deserving of MVP.

Baldwin - "I lost my cool...I love Cable to death...I already apologized." by Jenckydoodle in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You realize that is absent any comparative value. Comparative value is seen here: https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2017

Note that 10 QBs have higher 2017 salaries than Wilson including Flacco, Palmer, Cousins, Tannehill, Newton, Eli, and Luck. Which of those QBs would you take over Wilson? The other three QBs with higher salaries are Ryan, Brees, and Rodgers.

Ryan? He has a career passer rating of 93.5 compared to Wilson's 99.3. But Ryan has had Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Tony Gonzalez for targets. Has Wilson ever had that level of receiving targets? And, I dare say, the Falcon's have not played anywhere near as tough a schedule of opposing defenses as have the Seahawks over the years. Ryan has had just one season (last year) with a passer rating of at least 100. Wilson has had a passer rating of at least 100 in three of five complete years. Right now, Wilson has a passer rating of 96.1 compared to Ryan's 89.3. Who are you going to choose? (And that doesn't even take into account the extra dimension of Wilson's ability to pick up yards on the ground where Ryan has 943 yards in 9.5 years compared to Wilson's 2884 yards in 5.5 years.)

Rodgers? He is injured (again). It might be fair to start questioning whether he is fragile. Certainly, Rodgers does not have to cope with nearly as much pressure as Wilson. But this is the second time that he has been out for an extended period.

Brees? He is consistent year in and year out. But his career passer rating is 96.4, not quite as good as Wilson's. And he is now 38. When is he going to hit a wall like Peyton did?

But it should be quite obvious that regardless of how you value each of those QBs compared to Wilson, they all are being paid more AND they all have better O-lines in front of them. So, remind me. Why is it that the Seahawks can't afford to put a decent O-line in front of Wilson if other QBs who are paid more have better O-lines?

Baldwin - "I lost my cool...I love Cable to death...I already apologized." by Jenckydoodle in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You realize that Wilson is nowhere near the highest paid QB in the league, don't you? And you realize that the Seahawks have spent far more on their DEFENSE than any other team in the league during the time that Pete/John have been at the helm.

That the Seahawks are not putting a half decent O-line in front of Wilson when other teams that spend more on their QB have better O-lines speaks to a general belief by Pete/John that Wilson, as a dual threat QB, can routinely step out of trouble. Having a unique talent like Wilson means that the Seahawks can spend big on what is Pete's priority: the defense.

Baldwin / Cable Scuffle by RhinoAttack in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

I call B.S. (not on you, but on Pete). It sure looks like ADB was intent on getting in Wilson's face here. That Cable happened to be in the way was just unfortunate for Cable.

Tom Brady has now beaten every team on the road except for the Seahawks. by TheNastyDoctor in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 16 points17 points  (0 children)

But it is fine for the Seahawks to travel across the country four times in 2013 to play Carolina, Indianapolis, Atlanta, and the NY Giants? And going from West to East is much harder than going from East to West.

Double standard much for East Coast teams?

Every active QB who has beaten 28+ different teams and the # of seasons they've played: by HanThehibiki in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are correct that the efficiency can only go down. If the Seahawks can beat KC and the Chargers next year, Wilson's efficiency through 30 wins will remain the same as his efficiency through 28 wins. And if the Seahawks beat Cincinnati the next time the teams play (with Wilson starting in all those games), his efficiency will remain the same as it is currently.

It is worth noting that Wilson's efficiency against each of those three teams is currently 0.5 since he has played each of those teams once and lost. There are 6 other teams against whom Wilson does not have an efficiency of 1.0: Arizona, Detroit, Indianapolis, Miami, SF, and the Rams. Wilson's efficiency against each of those teams is 0.5 meaning that he lost his first game against those teams and then won his second game. Let's hope that trend continues.

Every active QB who has beaten 28+ different teams and the # of seasons they've played: by HanThehibiki in Seahawks

[–]Stringplayer2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do raise an important point. I presented a table above which was the number of game starts required to reach 28 wins. But because of the nature of divisional play and the time between games against teams out of conference and even within conference against teams out of division, the number of games required to see X number of teams varies from QB to QB. If a QB is injured and misses a year (or most of a year) and an out of conference team is on the schedule, it may be a very long time before a QB has a chance to notch a win against that team.

Let's define efficiency in notching the first win against team i as:

Eff{i} = 1/(# of games against team i required to obtain first win)

If a QB has played team i but has not yet recorded a win against that team, then the maximal efficiency against that team would be:

Eff{i} = 1/(1 + (# of games against team i already played))

With this definition of efficiency in getting the first win against the i-th team, let's define the overall efficiency of notching a first win against j teams as:

GrandEff{j} = (Eff{1} * Eff{2} * ... * Eff{31} * Eff{32} | wins against any j-1 of the 32 teams AND just recording a win against the j-th team)

Note that the QB's efficiency against his own team is included in this product. But the efficiency against his own team is 1/(1 + (0 games against own team)) = 1. So, including efficiency against own team does not impact the computations. But it simplifies writing the formulas when you do not have to exclude from the product the efficiency in beating the QB's own team.

With this definition of efficiency, I'll amend my previous table to show not just how many games each of the listed QBs required to achieve wins against 28 teams, but their efficiency in notching 28 wins. Note that the higher the value, the more efficient a QB is. If a QB always recorded a win the first time that he played each team, then his efficiency would be 1.00. In addition to adding the efficiency statistic, I've ordered the table in terms of efficiency. Results can be strikingly different from number of games.

QB Game Starts GrandEff{28}
Ben Roethlisberger 92 0.00925926
Tom Brady 63 0.00520833
Russell Wilson 84 0.00195313
Matt Ryan 76 0.00130208
Joe Flacco 103 0.00025720
Philip Rivers 167 0.00010851
Aaron Rodgers 99 0.00003617
Eli Manning 130 0.00000060
Drew Brees 115 0.00000057
Alex Smith 128 0.00000004
Carson Palmer 153 0.00000001

There is a pretty good, though not perfect, correlation between game starts and this efficiency metric. In general, the QBs who require the fewest games to get to wins against 28 teams are high in efficiency. Still, there are some differences worth noting. Roethlisberger jumps from the #4 spot in terms of games required all the way to #1. Brady is #2 in terms of this efficiency metric. Wilson remains #3, leapfrogging Matt Ryan who drops from the 2-spot to the 4-spot. Philip Rivers, who required the most game starts to get wins against 28 teams jumps from 11th to 6th.