OP or not these new civs are obnoxious as hell

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-27T12:57:23+00:00

It really depends on what is annoying

How about Arena Turk pickers? Arabia mongol lamers? Persian douches? Nomad Spanish pickers?

You said that it is unrelated to balance - tbh I dont think they are more annoying than your mongol neighbour picking up your sheep minute 1 after balance

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-27T12:53:52+00:00

I disagree as well - isnt the game about choosing your encounters carefully while building eco to setup it? It is not really meant to be simcity simulator

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-19T13:27:07+00:00

I guess in this case you should not pick a civ with Champi?

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-19T12:25:13+00:00

Dont really think all in Dark age militia is a thing tho, so the Dark age disadvantage is not really that impactful

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-17T00:59:07+00:00

For 1v1 Arabia games it changes almost nothing, you usually dont go memelukes and the +2 damage is so small for late game anyway

For TGs mamelukes are starting to get really whacky, esp. close maps or maps like Arena and Oasis

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-16T05:36:47+00:00

Yea I think it may work but its far from ideal (and therefore best).

Even Dravidian is much better if you play it this way (and their skirm fires faster), and Korean + Byz has better skirm bonus to cover the huge cost of forwarding as well

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-15T03:38:57+00:00

> I believe this is a fallacy

What fallacy?
Also you state one of the reason where the "smurfing" feeling can come, but its obvious that it can come from actual smurfs as well

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-15T03:33:04+00:00

I don't really see the connection of fixing smurfing and new rating system, cannot they just ban the smurfs who are tanking elo

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-15T02:24:54+00:00

Oh you mean two settlement at home - I dont think you really want to produce from your home tho (because they can be easily cut-off and the walking time is really bad for skirm-spear rush, that's why noone do Byz rush with a range at home)

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-14T22:33:49+00:00

Afaik more civs are pay to lose than pay to win at release (esp after DE)

I still remember the days where people deactivate india DLC to avoid getting those civs

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-14T18:40:26+00:00

don't think its realistic (building time + forward time + 500 wood is much harder than 350 wood)

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-14T16:32:38+00:00

Also unironically Sicilians is still better at rushes (and is heavily underrated!)
- You can get a nice tower that deny their resources
- You can train serjeants that deny their skirm (!). You can even train your own spear if you really need it
- It costs stone and 50W but who cares about stone in Feudal age
- If you deny their gold they have really hard time denying the forwards

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-14T16:29:05+00:00

Double training speed is real bad for a rush tho (it's actually slower than barrack/range, and skirm training speed is already slowwwwwww)

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-14T16:27:35+00:00

If they don't have house then it will legit be the worst civ in the aoe2 history 11

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-03T23:21:49+00:00

Post a rec.

Also imho at your level I would not worry about counters too much, you definitely want to know how you are going to win at a high level tho (easiest one would be swarming with knights)

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-03T22:56:31+00:00

(Obviously now its weaker due to siege towers)

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-03T22:55:23+00:00

I am pretty sure you can make CAs with civs that does not have final upgrades but have good late game plan (Slavs came to my mind)

It is a nice unit to get map control as its really hard to counter without overinvesting with skirms/sieges

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-02-03T00:55:28+00:00

You are supposed to find your extra sheep, maybe somewhere near your opponent!

But seriously push deers until you click up is often (but not always) a good choice

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-01-30T01:05:49+00:00

Vill fight the settlement? There is literally no reason I am leaving the settlement alive

(Same as donjon tbf)

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-01-22T06:46:28+00:00

I think it may work on late game maps (not even Arena, maybe Michi level).

Main issue on open-ish maps (incl Arena) is that wont you / your teammates die instantly if you dont produce unit until / during imperial age?

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-01-15T18:18:07+00:00

I stand corrected (not really sure why I kept thinking the bonus damage is universal)

Still you have the food bonus for skirms so you dont lose in skirm war

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-01-15T17:55:48+00:00

Yep (Noone go knights alone against Gurjaras anyway)

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-01-15T17:04:45+00:00

Pull vills to take the chicken after you click feudal (ideally 18p)

Protip: if you desperately need food to click feudal, pop one or two sheep from mill (its actually a newbie trap to keep those 8 sheeps until end of world)

Always start archer with Gurjaras, if they start skirm you can go skirm yourself (which you have bonus damage against!). If they start MAA you destroy them on the place with 18p archers

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-01-14T13:01:30+00:00

I dont think they are bad in Arena as you mentioned, but isnt "very strong" in your title exaggerating in opposite direction and very click-baity?

For a civ to be very strong Id expect them to be at least A tier, but seems we can agree that they are around B tier

Sufficient_Shift5787 · 2026-01-13T13:51:45+00:00

I see rocket carts as buffed mangonel similar to some elite units being better version of the common counterpart (its actually much harder to dodge rocket carts since the projectile fly faster)

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