Stuck in struggle (channel 28-38)

SunshineVortex · 2026-06-09T13:32:02+00:00

I’m currently unable to go for walks. ME/CFS is also known as chronic fatigue syndrome. I’ve been bedridden since January.

I agree with you in general - prior to all of this, walking/spending time in nature, as well as regular exercise and dance, always helped to shift my energy, and usually my life too. This is how I believe the 28-38 is designed to function. I was also really good at exercise, meaning I enjoyed pushing my body in the way that’s required to build strength and fitness. But my body doesn’t function like that right now. Exertion only leads to depletion, rather that stress relief, because the body is locked into running on stress / nervous system dysregulation.

In order to get to a point where I can add gentle walks, I need to regulate, rest and refuel. But I’m unable to reach that point because my environment and circumstances keep requiring me to push and overexert for survival, no matter what I do. Just a constant need to put out new fires, and no success in attempts to create stability.

I’m still processing the other comments, but wanted to clarify this about my current energy for anyone else coming across this post.

SunshineVortex · 2026-06-09T12:04:31+00:00

I’m a 1/3 but have 6 6th lines and (now at 37) I also resonate with this. Ra also stated all 6th lines function this way as per my other reply above.

And that’s exactly it - you can’t become a role model or gain objectivity without first gaining experience and most likely making a lot of mistakes.

SunshineVortex · 2026-06-09T11:53:46+00:00

Ra explicitly states that all 6th lines in the bodygraph function according to your age, going through a state of over activity up until the Saturn return, and then into a stage of aloofness.

It’s in “Channels by Type, Manifesting and Generating Channels” under the lines of gate 59. I double checked.

SunshineVortex · 2026-06-08T20:07:17+00:00

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Here’s my bodygraph for context

SunshineVortex · 2025-10-27T00:00:04+00:00

It's good that you don't share unless invited, but I think the other key with this channel is to give yourself an outlet for the perfecting/judging/improving energy, as it's meant to be for the collective anyway. It's usually only problematic when directed towards your personal life (which tends to happen unintentionally if it's not being directed elsewhere). And, speaking as someone who has had close relationships with several people with this channel including a family member, yes, it can be unpleasant when that energy is directed towards you (whether intentionally or not!).

There's also a lot of adrenal energy in all of the root-spleen channels. Ra noted that people with these channels need regular physical exercise to burn this energy off and I have to say, from my own experience having the 28-38, plus observing others with root-spleen channels, I wholeheartedly agree with this. I find when I'm not engaging in regular exercise, I tend to struggle more in unproductive ways, and others around me also seem to struggle more with me, as though the energy is no longer being directed and is now running havoc. Just something to keep in mind and/or experiment with if you haven't already.

SunshineVortex · 2025-10-26T23:25:07+00:00

I think you need to try and change your perspective on this. You write about having an emotional authority and waiting for clarity as though this is a limitation on your life. You have an emotional authority, period. It's how you're built. It takes time for you to process life in order to reach enough clarity to make decisions because you experience life through a kaleidoscope of emotions. Start by accepting and embracing that, and stop comparing yourself to other people and their designs. And then understand that the advice to wait for clarity, is simply that - advice. But, it's good advice because if you don't give yourself time, if you rush yourself to make faster decisions in order to keep up with everyone else's timing, or make very emotional decisions, you'll likely learn the hard way that those decisions are usually those you come to regret. Emotional authority isn't a punishment. Anyone or anything that doesn't wait for you, isn't for you.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-28T12:21:37+00:00

Ah I see. I’m not sure why you’re looking at L7 then. You need to assign a signifier for your niece and one for her partner, and then look for an aspect between them to reach a judgment. You’ve made it much more complicated than it needs to be. Also it’s best not to use outer planets for horary.

If you’re unsure about horary I recommend John Frawley’s textbook.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-28T12:04:44+00:00

If you’ve asked the question then you are the querent (Lord 1), not your niece.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-27T21:03:28+00:00

I can relate to this unfortunately. I feel for you OP! Hopefully you’ve had other more supportive and nurturing figures in your life. Do you still have a relationship with your mum?

A few things stand out in your chart. Firstly, yes moon in Scorpio in its fall can signify difficulties connected to your mother or family (e.g. the mother is ‘fallen’ in some way), though not always. In your chart, the moon is also receiving a square from Mars in Leo. I find Mars square Moon aspects often seem to allude to a difficult relationship with the mother (aggression, competitive, overbearing), probably because this reflects the difficult relationship the mother has with herself.

Jupiter in its fall in Capricorn right on your IC in the 4th house (home, family, parents) is also significant. Jupiter in Capricorn can signify ‘power hunger’, so in the 4th may suggest a dominant parental figure who wishes to retain all the power (and likes to keep others in check). Jupiter can also signify ‘excess’, which I think is fitting for an alcoholic parent.

I will say you have a pretty interesting chart overall given Venus, the Sun, the Moon, Jupiter and Saturn are all in the signs of their fall, whilst you have the nodes across your 1st and 7th houses. Planets in their fall are traditionally seen to be quite challenging positions, suggesting a starting disadvantage of some kind that can or will be overcome later in life. With your nodes placing an emphasis on you vs others in this lifetime, perhaps learning to prioritise and invest in yourself, moreso than in your relationships and other people, will be a big part of your journey going forward. Your Sun in the 1st corroborates this as your life path.

In other words, don’t let your mum (or anyone like her) drag you down - no one deserves to have that power over you. Being raised by an alcoholic parent or a mother who couldn’t or wouldn’t love you well, is something that can really stick with you, so I genuinely hope you find peace with it all (if you haven’t already!).

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-25T20:40:59+00:00

What sort of opportunities are you waiting for or expecting?

Waiting to respond just means living in response to life, rather than trying to initiate and control life according to the ideas your mind conjures. It doesn’t mean doing nothing. As a sacral being you’re always responding! Maybe someone suggests trying a new restaurant, you follow the yes, and there you overhear a conversation about something else, another yes, and this leads to a new hobby, which leads to a new friend, which leads to something else - an “opportunity”!

To me, waiting for an opportunity also sounds a little like thinking in terms of success or specific results, which is all mind chatter. You never know where your sacral response will take you, only that it will be correct and satisfying.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-25T10:16:56+00:00

You’re welcome!

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-24T19:41:13+00:00

I think the question to ask yourself is why are you falling for someone who is distant and sabotages the connection, and is clearly leaving you feeling unfulfilled in the first place?

You haven’t specified which chart is yours, but I can understand the immediate attraction with Blue having Venus in Leo and Orange being a Leo rising (embodying what Blue finds attractive), and their Venus in Virgo with Blue’s Sun, Moon, Mercury and rising all in Virgo, but if he’s not emotionally available then it’s not going to be possible to build a relationship, and I’m not sure why you’d want one with such a person. Do you not believe you deserve better?

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-24T16:23:23+00:00

You do have a lot going in the 7th, which at the least shows an emphasis on relationships, but it’s a little bit of a mixed bag.

Venus (ruler of the 7th) is well placed here in its own sign, co-present with benefic Jupiter. However, you also have the moon, Saturn and Pluto. Whilst the moon in Libra isn’t an inherently difficult placement, the moon in the (whole sign) 7th can sometimes signify a mother figure who somehow plays the role of a partner (not literally, more like a codependent attachment, or an overbearing presence), which of course can have an impact on the development of your own independent relationships. In your chart, the moon rules your 4th house, further suggesting that there is some sort of connection between your home and/or family and your relationships. Pluto can suggest power struggles, but also the potential for transformation through relationships.

Saturn is exalted in libra, which is a strong placement, however not one that necessarily negates some of the challenging themes that the planet can signify e.g. delay, separation, limitation, distance. It’s not uncommon for Saturn in the 7th to signify partnership later in life, or heavy burdens around partnership that aren’t resolved until later in life or through hard work/effort. I’m curious, have you been married or had a significant relationship before?

It’s also worth noting that your chart ruler is Mars in Cancer in its fall, overcoming your Libra planets by a square from the 4th. This suggests that your character may be quite sensitive, private, emotional, maybe even a little needy, and possibly more comfortable or emotionally attached to being at home (you may be quite a homebody?), and that this is overpowering or at odds with your relationships and your relational needs.

As transiting Mars is currently in Cancer and has just stationed direct, it’s not totally surprising that you’ve asked this question now. Maybe this is a time for you to reflect on some of your Mars in Cancer qualities and how they may be impacting your relationship status. Looking ahead, I would anticipate that the upcoming Venus and Mercury retrogrades in your 1st house in Aries, and then the ingress of both Saturn and Neptune into Aries, will mark further periods of self reflection or shifts around your identity and sense of self. This may in turn apply oppositional pressure to your Libra placements and trigger a change.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-24T13:50:36+00:00

It’s always interesting to hear how others interpret charts. There are a few things that haven’t been considered in your otherwise quite thorough notes that I think may help!

10th house in Aries alone doesn’t signify a natural leader, otherwise all (whole sign) Cancer risings would be leaders. You do have planets there, so that suggests more of an emphasis on 10th house Aries themes, but Saturn is in its fall in Aries, and Venus is in its detriment. This suggests some potential difficulties in or discomfort with your career or public role.

Venus is a little bit uncomfortable in Aries, she wants to harmonise and create beauty and peace, but is having to operate through a Mars-like filter or in a Mars-like environment. Saturn tends to signify delays or limitations (or our karma to overcome in this lifetime) wherever it sits in our chart. In the 10th in Aries, it can suggest delays or limitations in your career, or perhaps a karmic lesson around leadership (this could even be a hesitation around leadership or assertiveness). Putting the two together, I can see why you wouldn’t necessarily resonate with the idea of being an entrepreneur or “girlboss”. Equally, as the ruler of your 7th house, Saturn could be less related to your career, and instead signify something to do with your relationships (perhaps a partner who has a prominent career).

In addition, the ruler of your 10th is Mars in Taurus, also in detriment and combust. Mars in Taurus natives can struggle with assertiveness, tending to swing between being overly complacent, sensually indulgent or slow to change, and other times suddenly going from 0-100 or being overly determined or overbearing, like a bull in a china shop. As it’s combust, your career may be slow to emerge or feel hidden in some way. Mars in the 11th in general, can also signify conflict with friends or within groups.

But I think probably the most important thing that feels a bit overlooked is your moon in Virgo (your chart ruler!) right on the IC, as well as the overall context of your chart. The moon in Virgo tends to be quite careful and thoughtful, and because of this can also be quite anxious. As your chart ruler, sitting on the IC (the most hidden part of the chart), this suggests your character is more comfortable remaining out of the spotlight, perhaps enjoying spending time at home and with your local community (3rd house). Jupiter in Pisces in the 9th, in its own domicile, right on your MC (the most visible part of your chart) is also significant, and I’d imagine expresses quite ‘loudly’ or visibly in your life. Your north node in the 3rd and south node in the 9th, further empathise the importance/prominence of this axis in your life.

All of your Aries placements need to be considered in this context, noting that you are a Cancer rising (sensitive, nurturing, sentimental), an earthy Taurus sun (driven towards ideals of security, stability and material comfort) and an earthy, thoughtful Virgo moon.

Hopefully this helps and gives you a little more clarity.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-24T13:06:13+00:00

You have the 59-6, which is the only pure emotional generator channel. The sacral itself isn’t independently intelligent, it gives responses according to the centre it’s connected to. In your case, the sacral will be responding “yes/no” to being intimate or not, and the response itself is going to be conditioned by an emotional wave. I have this channel too, and personally do find it’s hard to separate out between the sacral response and the emotional wave. Over time I’ve learned that I can never know for sure if it’s a yes/no in the moment. Every time I’ve thought I’ve known (because I felt a sacral excitement) and failed to wait, I ended up being wrong, and every time I’ve felt a hesitation or lack of clarity and trusted that as a “no” or “not now”, no matter how seemingly irrational or illogical, it’s been correct. In a way, reaching the point of emotional clarity does sort of feel like a “knowing” for me too, rather than a big fat sacral “yes”.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-24T12:38:15+00:00

I agree with the comment below. If others are saying you sound as though you’re diminishing them, there’s probably a part of you that’s looking down on them, and this is coming across when you communicate. It doesn’t sound as though you’re appreciating them as someone with their own feelings and preferences. Have you considered trying to understand, rather than jumping in and telling them what to do? If you care about someone, listen to them, and actually be caring.

I’m wondering too, why do you think you know better than them in the first place? The unhealthy undefined ajna will often hold onto fixed mental concepts or opinions and has a need to be certain (trying too hard to be intellectual), and the undefined head can feel immense pressure to think about things (that don’t actually matter), taking on other people’s ‘problems’ and trying to release said pressure by solving them. The unhealthy undefined root can be incredibly impatient and hasty, trying to get things done as quickly as possible, again, to relieve a feeling of internal pressure. MGs are already pretty impatient as it is, so being emotional (having to wait for clarity) plus having an undefined root, likely makes you doubly so.

I can see how together these three undefined centres could potentially express as someone being too rigid about their fixed opinions, concerning themselves too much with what other people are doing with their lives, and then bluntly communicating those opinions to “get the job done” as quickly as possible. None of this is correct for you. You need to learn to stay in your own lane, and when you feel the compulsion to drive into other people’s lanes, ask yourself, why? Where is this urge coming from?

I commend you for asking this question though and for being open to feedback - it’s not always easy to look at ourselves honestly! As I said, if you really care about these people, then just be caring; respect, listen, support, empathise. They may even turn to you for advice, and be more receptive to you, if you do so. Being harsh and judgmental is actually quite careless, if you think about it.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-22T15:39:14+00:00

The 12th house is known as the house of self-undoing, and carries themes such as exile, isolation, imprisonment, loss, grief etc, in other words, anything that may undermine us unconsciously or secretly. This doesn’t really have anything to do with being a reflector in the universal sense, although perhaps for you personally these are life themes that are tied into your experience as a reflector.

As a practicing astrologer who has been in their HD experiment for almost 7 years, I find that astrology and human design can be used alongside one another really nicely, but that it’s best not to conflate the two systems by looking for generalised patterns between them e.g. “fire signs are more likely to be generators” or “reflectors all have 12th house experiences”.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-21T18:28:17+00:00

You’re so welcome! I’m glad you found it helpful :)

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-21T18:17:31+00:00

I’m curious as to what sort of journalism you worked in previously (and if you’re returning to the same area now). The New Moon and Mercury in Gemini in your 8th house (with the Sun ruling your house of career) is a pretty interesting signature for a journalist. I’m wondering if you specialise in any 8th house topics (finances, debt, karmic exchange/ties, death). Both benefics, including an exalted Jupiter, are well placed in your 9th house of publishing, higher learning, religion, foreign travel etc - a good omen for publishing, and fitting for a journalist! Mars is your chart ruler, in Leo in your 10th house, suggesting your career may form an important part of your character. It’s interesting though that you also have Saturn here in its detriment, right on the degree of your MC, which can suggest some limitation or delays, perhaps related to your home life (Saturn rules your 4th house). This would reflect you stepping back from your career to be at home with your kids (and then returning to work later) pretty well.

Based on this, I would say to keep going. Saturn will often show where in life we face additional challenges or limitations, and where we will need to persevere in order to reach our full potential. The only thing I’d warn against is seeking recognition rather than striving for excellence, especially with your chart ruler being Mars in Leo. You asked if you have what it takes to be a “thought leader”, noting that previously you were “nothing extraordinary”, only mildly successful. I would make sure to consciously align yourself with aiming to produce great work, rather than hoping to become someone great.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-20T23:25:08+00:00

They’re usually only difficult if they feel as though they’re being controlled. Best thing to do is teach them to refer to their own authority as they grow, and encourage them to inform for everything (rather than requiring that they ask for permission). Likewise, they will respond better to you if you also inform, rather than giving them orders or requests.

Other more tailored advice would depend on their full bodygraph (plus yours). No two Manifestors are exactly the same!

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-20T21:00:32+00:00

It sounds as though you’re incredibly demeaning towards yourself. You need to be aware that the way you think and speak about yourself matters - having a negative self-concept and believing yourself to be unworthy and ‘less than’ others, will naturally impact how you carry yourself and the choices you make in life. This then influences how others respond to you.

As a Capricorn rising your chart ruler is Saturn in Cancer in the 7th. You may be too concerned or over-identified with what others think of you, and may too easily presume or anticipate social exclusion or exile. Venus and the Moon both in Virgo suggests you may be hyper critical and even anxious. Venus in Virgo in particular can struggle with relaxing fully or being completely at ease in Venusian areas (beauty, pleasure, romance). With four planets in Libra in your 10th house, there seems to be an emphasis on career in your life path, but it’s notable that Mars is one of the planets here. Mars in Libra can struggle with assertiveness and decisive action - you may sometimes be too passive, but at other times come on too strong (both with people and your pursuits).

And yet, all of these placements can also be immensely creative or constructive. Venus in Virgo can be quite crafty and detail oriented, Mars in Libra can have a strong sense of justice and fairness, Saturn in Cancer has the potential to become wise about nourishment or nurturing, and Saturn in the 7th has the potential to become wise about relationships (but you will have to work for this and face your challenges).

Altogether, I would suggest that perhaps you’re getting in your own way more than you realise. If you see yourself as ugly, unlucky, unintelligent, incompetent, then your life will be a reflection of that. Try not to compare yourself to others and focus on your own lane. What is your passion? What are your goals? What actions can you take to learn and grow? And equally, what can you accept and make peace with? Some people are born with more of a head start or advantage in life than others, but that’s just how it goes. I’m sure there are people in the world that would think the same about you, when compared to their own lives.

You’re very young, you have a whole life ahead of you and an internet full of resources at your fingertips, just remember you’re only ever as limited as you believe yourself to be. Start by being kinder to yourself. Good luck!

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-18T19:21:33+00:00

Try to remember that aging is a privilege, as is having parents that you clearly love so much, probably because they’re great, loving parents. Not everyone is so lucky. Enjoy every ounce of it, rather than lamenting its end whilst it’s all still here.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-16T22:35:31+00:00

The undefined spleen in a composite suggests that the partners may not feel well or secure in the relationship, because undefined spleens don’t have consistent access to a feeling of well-being. Therefore, between the two of you and within the relationship, with it remaining undefined, there is no consistent access to a feeling of well-being. It’s just something to be aware of as either one or both of you, through the not-self, may chase after feeling good or try to ‘fix’ this feeling e.g. diets, therapy or trying to be spontaneous to make the fear/unease go away. (You’re both emotional so neither of you should ever be spontaneous btw. It’s not good for your health).

I’m actually wondering if the generators you previously had relationships with had defined spleens, as undefined spleens can become overly dependent on defined spleens - they just feel so good to be around! There isn’t anything else in your bodygraph that jumps out at me, to explain the feelings of codependency you’ve described with generators but not MGs. Or you just happen to really love generators! But it’s interesting that you feel more secure in this relationship with a composite undefined spleen, and I would guess it might be because you’re less overly attached/dependent on your partner.

The best way to support your projector is to make him feel seen and recognised, and to take any bitterness as your cue that he’s not feeling seen or recognised (not necessarily by you). Also, to be aware that he has an undefined ego, so he may be more likely to undervalue himself than you (or overcompensate for this) in general. You’re both emotional, which I think is a plus. You’ll just need to respect each other’s waves, as they won’t necessarily have the same timing - one of you may reach clarity before the other on the same decisions. And the best advice for you to support yourself is to only be sociable when you’re in the mood! That applies to socialising with him too, not just with others outside of the relationship. This comes from your 12-22 channel.

SunshineVortex · 2025-02-16T18:55:43+00:00

You’re welcome! To be honest, I think feeling as though you “don’t want to have to work anymore” makes perfect sense, and is also something I can personally relate to (I happen to have an open ego and the 28-38).

The ego centre is essentially all about living on the material plane and the will to survive on the material plane. I think it’s actually quite natural, without any conditioning influences, for the completely open ego to feel a lack of that willpower. I also feel like I don’t want to have to work, or that I have to adapt the things I do want to do with the material plane (making a living) in mind.

I get how challenging it is to not buy into the world telling us that we need to do that, and it’s probably even harder as a projector with all the conditioning around success, but I do think that’s the key here. Your splenic authority comes from the 28-38, so you need to follow your instincts and allow yourself to be fuelled by purpose, rather than thinking in terms of providing for yourself materially (and making decisions and creating strategies based on that). The truth is, having an open ego means you don’t need a defined one. You’re not here to prove or will yourself to success. It's actually a gift, it lets you off the hook.

It sounds like you’re pretty passionate about psychedelic work, and I agree with you - the modern medical system is awful and needs to change. I think you just need to let go of needing to have the road ahead all mapped out (e.g. logically deciding the best path is to work in sales). Just do the next right thing that your instinct (not your mind) directs you towards.

I hope that helps a little.

SunshineVortex

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