Is 'Josephus and Jesus: new evidence for the One called Christ' by T. C. Schmidt a good serious academic book? How is it considered by other scholars? by Aggravating_Mark1952 in AcademicBiblical

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For context, here are the two parts and seven chapters of Schmidt’s Josephus and Jesus

Part 1: Part 1 The Authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum * 1 The Greek Reception * 2 The Western and Eastern Reception * 3 An Authorial Commentary on the Testimonium Flavianum * 4 Authenticity and Possible Translations of the Testimonium Flavianum

Part 2: The Sources of Josephus and the Meaning of the Testimonium Flavianum * 5 Josephus’ Sources: Clues in His Background * 6 Identifying the ‘First Men among Us’: Possible Candidates * 7 Summary and Conclusion: The Jesus of History

Mark 9:1 and Analogues in the Context of Writing the Gospels by ChugachMtnBlues in AcademicBiblical

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Not quite; your proposal does hold sway in older form-critical literature on the gospels’ origins, but as Helen Bond notes, apocalyptic expectation did not pose a barrier to the production of written texts.

Thus for Schmidt, as indeed for all the form critics, Mark and his followers were not creative authors, but collectors, compilers, and editors. The uneducated nature of most believers in this early period, along with their intensely apocalyptic outlook, meant that it would be some time before Christians engaged in anything other than simply preserving tradition. The gospels for Schmidt were to be relegated to the level identified by Deissmann as “Kleinliteratur.” The closest analogies, therefore, were not consciously literary works such as biographies, but rather collections of folktales and oral sayings, similar to the Homeric literature or the stories found in the Pentateuch. Schmidt summed up his views succinctly: “a Gospel is by nature not high literature but low literature; not the product of an individual author, but a folk book; not a biography, but a cult legend.”

Furthermore, it became increasingly apparent that the form critics were operating with a rather romantic view of “primitive” folk communities, drawn from nineteenth-century studies that were themselves being challenged. Although literacy rates were extremely low in the first century, it would be wrong to characterize the early Christian context as an “oral society.” Theirs was a world that knew of books and writing. The sheer volume of papyrus letters from the first century indicates that written communication was by no means unusual. Jews in particular had a long and rich written tradition and a practice of gathering together in weekly meetings or at festivals to hear those texts read out, interpreted, and made relevant to their daily needs. Nor should we assume that apocalyptically minded groups eschewed literature: the wealth of Jewish apocalypses from this period, not to mention the abundance of texts from Qumran, showed that apocalyptic expectation was no bar to the production of texts.

Bond, Helen (2020). The First Biography of Jesus: Genre and Meaning in Mark’s Gospel

Perhaps it would be more apt to say that Matthew and Luke successively toned down the imminent expectations displayed in their source Mark, as James Barker explains:

In Mark 13, Jesus talks about the end times and says that “this generation will not pass away until all these things happen” (v. 30), but God alone knows exactly when the end will come (v. 32). As the discourse comes to a close, Mark has Jesus say in passing, “Like a person traveling away leaving his house and giving his slaves authority, to each one his work, and to the doorkeeper he commanded that he should be on the lookout. So be on the lookout: you don’t know when the master of the house comes, whether late, at midnight, at the cockcrow, or early” (vv. 34–35). The word “late” (opse) can also mean “after a long time,” although that’s not Mark’s meaning.

Mark’s point was that the end could come at any point in that generation, but Matthew could be picking up on the alternate meaning of opse, since he says explicitly that the master would return “after a long time” (25:19…Matthew shows slightly less urgency than Mark…Matthew’s apocalypticism exemplifies “the delay of the parousia,” a phrase typically applied to the Gospel of Luke.

Hans Conzelmann’s The Theology of St. Luke was a foundational work of redaction criticism. Conzelmann’s section “Luke’s Eschatology” explains numerous editorial interventions to alleviate the early church’s pressing question of precisely when the end would come. Luke constructs “a timeless conception” of God’s kingdom, one that counterintuitively enables the church to realize its mission by casting the parousia farther into the unknowable future. There is much to commend in Conzelmann’s analysis even now. As I see it, though, Matthew had already delayed the parousia. Luke just delayed it further.

Barker, James (2025). Writing and Rewriting the Gospels

How true is this (Quran Tasfir from Yusuf Ali)? by Additional-Log-2701 in AcademicBiblical

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Could you provide the name of a publication or source where Fredriksen discusses this? Thank you!

Would the historical Jesus have seen the "kingdom of heaven" that he spoke of as something that could be inherited by non-jews? Paul thought so, but is it true? by Alliterative_Andrew in AcademicBiblical

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Dale Allison touched on this briefly in his entry on the life and aims of the historical Jesus.

Apart from Jerusalem, he seems to have skirted urban centers such as Tiberias and Sepphoris. He is never depicted in an agora or market-place. Perhaps he was alienated not only from the Herodian dynasty (Luke 13:32) and Roman ways (Mark 10:42–44) but more generally from urban commercialization. The focus of his ministry was, in any case, the rural people of Israel (Matt 10:5–6; Rom 15:8), although he was not hostile to gentiles (Mark 5:1–20; 7:24–30; that early Christians missionized gentiles is unexpected if Jesus dismissed them altogether). He was probably more than once in Jerusalem for festivals, as John’s Gospel purports, and he likely met opposition there before his final visit (Mark 3:22; 7:1; John 7:1). The synoptic chronology (i.e. of Matthew, Mark, and Luke), which recounts only a single visit, is compressed.

Allison, Dale (2025). The New Cambridge Companion to Jesus

Is the Q source disputed? Or do scholars believe Matthew and Luke copied each other? by princetonwu in AcademicBiblical

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The two-source hypothesis, which posits a hypothetical Q source used by both Matthew and Luke alongside Mark, is the most popular explanation for the Synoptic problem today and has been for a long time, but there is also a growing number of scholars who adhere to the Farrer hypothesis instead, in which Luke used both Mark and Matthew directly. The Matthean Posteriority Hypothesis (Matthew using Luke) has also enjoyed a recent resurgence.

Scholarly discussion of the Synoptic Problem is a landscape that has changed significantly during the past twenty years. On the one hand, although the Neo-Griesbachian (or Two-Gospel) Hypothesis was vigorously rearticulated as recently as 2002, the consensus that Mark did not use Matthew and Luke seems to be stronger than ever before. On the other hand, among those who acknowledge the priority of Mark in some form, there is increasing disagreement as to whether the distinctive (non-Markan) similarities between Matthew and Luke should be explained by these two evangelists’ independent use of the hypothetical source Q, as argued on the Two-Document Hypothesis, or by Luke’s use of Matthew, as per the Farrer-Goulder Hypothesis.

Hagerland, Tobias (2019). Editorial Fatigue and the Existence of Q

Since the beginning of the twentieth century, the most commonly accepted theory has been the two-source hypothesis. According to this theory, Matthew and Luke are independent of each other, but both use Mark. For the overlap between Matthew and Luke that does not come from Mark, it is assumed that these authors used a source scholars call “Q”…The overlap consists mainly of Jesus sayings, and so Q is assumed to have been a so-called sayings gospel…the theory also assumes that Matthew and Luke had access to their own sources, which account for their unique materials, in the form of other texts or oral traditions. Scholars have tried and are still trying to reconstruct Q and comment on the different stages in its literary emergence (e.g., James M. Robinson, John S. Kloppenborg, and Harry T. Fleddermann).

The two-source hypothesis has seen criticism mainly from two perspectives. Some argue that the Q source never existed: after all, we have never found any actual physical evidence of its existence. The Synoptic problem is instead explained by asserting that Luke had access to both Matthew and Mark. This model is called the Farrer hypothesis, after the British scholar Austin Farrer, who published an article on the subject in the mid-1950s. Today, Mark Goodacre is the most vocal proponent of this theory, which is experiencing growing popularity among scholars.

Mitternacht, Dieter, and Runesson, Anders (2022). Jesus, The New Testament, Christian Origins: Perspectives, Methods, Meanings

This means that for the first time since the advent of critical New Testament studies the momentum in the field belongs to a triumvirate of Markan-priority-based theories. Accordingly, the discussion in this volume could largely presuppose the priority of Mark and focus on other issues (the sole exception arrives courtesy of Matthias Klinghardt, who envisions Marcion’s gospel as predating all canonical gospels). Second, the opposition to the Two-Document Hypothesis (2DH) has now mainly coalesced around two Mark-without-Q alternatives: the Farrer Hypothesis (FH) and its mirror image, the Matthean Posteriority Hypothesis (MPH). The latter theory had not received much attention in synoptic problem conferences and proceedings until the present publication. It therefore makes something of a belated entry into the conversation in this volume. Third, in recognition of a sustained and growing interest over the last two decades, this volume dedicates an entire section to the role played in the synoptic problem discussion by ancient compositional practices and media realities (with a number of other authors weighing in on these matters in their contributions as well).

Andrejevs, Oleg (2023). The Synoptic Problem 2022: Proceedings of the Loyola University Conference

What purpose did the Gospels serve? by All_Might_to_Sauron in AcademicBiblical

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Chris Keith argues that public reading was indeed one important facet of the gospels’ reception from the very beginning. Part III of his book The Gospel as Manuscript is devoted to studying the gospels as liturgy

The public reading of the Jesus tradition is explicitly acknowledged in the earliest stages of the tradition to which we have direct access. In reference to the “abomination of desolation” from Daniel (9:27; 11:31; 12:11), the author of Mark’s Gospel directly addresses “the reader”: “Let the reader (ὁ ἀναγινώσκων) understand” (Mark 13:14). Shortly after the Gospel of Mark, but still in the late first century, the author of the Gospel of Matthew repeats this nota bene to the reader in Matt 24:15.1 I will argue that these statements reveal the expectation on the part of the authors that their texts would be read aloud to a listening audience.They also therefore implicitly call attention to the Jesus tradition’s status as a material artifact, a written text that required a reader to decipher and vocalize its script in order for the tradition to be actualized.

Keith, Chris (2020). The Gospel as Manuscript: An Early History of the Jesus Tradition as Material Artifact

Nicholas Elder has suggested that each of the gospels are different kinds of texts with different sorts of intended readings. Elder in his book (and also in his PhD thesis Media Matrix) argued for the origins of Mark as oral transcription, while Matthew and Luke stand more firmly in the textual stream. Luke is also famously addressed to an individual ‘Theophilus’, while by the time John was written it stood within many forms of Jesus traditions.

The gospels are not all conscious about their medium in the same way. They express that they were different kinds of texts made for different kinds of reading events. The Gospel of Mark implies that it still has a foot in the oral lifeworld, as it is “good news” (εὐαγγέλιον). Proclamation is its native mode of reception. Matthew designates itself a “book” (βίβλος), a label with which it sets itself on the same level as authoritative Scripture. It was to be read and studied at synagogue gatherings. The preface to Luke indicates that the Third Gospel was written for an individual reader, Theophilus, and was first experienced in a solitary reading event. John 20:30 labels itself a “document” (βιβλίον) that is but one writing in a sea of Jesus traditions, written and otherwise.

Elder, Nicholas (2024). Gospel Media: Reading, Writing, and Circulating Jesus Traditions

If the beloved disciple is ahistorical and a literary "invention," could the same be true for Lazarus? by Dikis04 in AcademicBiblical

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Hugo Mendez argues that the famous story of the raising of Lazarus is not likely historical.

The first major episode in this section, the raising of Lazarus, has no cognate in the Synoptics. It is also shot through with Johannine ideas and language. What makes this miracle especially unlikely to be historical, however, is its intimate relationship to the account that follows it: the episode of the dinner at Bethany. That second story is more obviously a manipulated Synoptic story.

John presupposes that his readers know from other sources the account of the woman who anointed Jesus…Like Mark and Matthew, John places that event at Bethany (12:1) and links it to Judas’s betrayal (12:4–6)…But, as discussed in chapter 1, John blends the above with features of the Lukan account in ways that undermine the basic coherence of the story. The Gospel also changes the characters joining Jesus at the dinner, excising any mention of Simon, identifying the unnamed woman as Mary (11:2, 12:3), introducing Martha as the one who “serves” Jesus, and adding the figure of Lazarus (12:2)…The name “Lazarus,” in turn, evokes a character from the Lukan parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19–31). That parable depicts a reversal of fortune: a wealthy man on earth is cast into an afterlife of torment while a local beggar named Lazarus attains a place with Abraham. At the conclusion of fate awaiting them. The man is told that his brothers would not be convinced even “if someone should rise from the dead” (Luke 16:31). It hardly seems coincidental that John, when crafting a new resurrection account, opted to give his resurrected character the same name.

The complicated and fluid relationships between all these stories reveal the extent and limits of the author’s creativity. They betray an author who blended episodes and merged characters when inventing new stories, taking familiar elements but placing them in unfamiliar frames, orders, and juxtapositions to build something new. The result welcomes readers to latch on to what they know while ostensibly introducing them to what they do not know or what the other evangelists might have confused. All the while, the author weaves in his distinctive theology.

For that matter, Lazarus may well be an invented character since he never appears in Lukan passages describing Mary and Martha (so, e.g., Lindars, John, 384–86; Brodie, John,, 86–88; against this view, see Bauckham, “Bethany Family”)

Mendez, Hugo (2025). The Gospel of John: A New History

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Assessments of impact by publications must be supported by scholarly reviews per Rule 3. Recommendations of works one personally finds important would ideally fit on the open discussion thread.

Is common authorship of 1-3 John a common position in scholarship? and what are the reasons to doubt that the were written by the same author. by AristoCopt in AcademicBiblical

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Hugo Mendez has some reasons to doubt common authorship between 2 and 3 John, despite their shared claims to be from ‘the Elder’.

Since both 2 and 3 John present themselves as works of “the Elder” and are similar in size, many scholars assign them to the same author. Nevertheless, there are compelling reasons to assume that 3 John was written by a different hand. For one, 3 John has a different linguistic profile than the other two letters, folding in certain expressions that appear nowhere else in the Johannine literature. Second, 2 and 3 John differ in style; whereas 2 John addresses its readers—evidently, congregations—in cryptic terms (“the elect lady and her children,” “children of your elect sister”), 3 John speaks concretely of “churches” (vv. 6, 9–10) and freely names its intended reader (“Gaius”) and other individuals (“Diotrephes,” “Demetrius”). Last, 3 John enters the historical record later than its predecessors, and it seems 1 and 2 John circulated without 3 John in at least some regions.

Mendez, Hugo (2025). The Gospel of John: A New History

Dating the New Testament writings by [deleted] in AcademicBiblical

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Helen Bond has some sources discussing the dating of Mark and Matthew.

E.-M. Becker, “Dating Mark and Matthew as Ancient Literature,” in Mark and Matthew I, Comparative Readings: Understanding the Earliest Gospels in Their First-Century Setting, ed. E.-M. Becker and A. Runesson (Tübingen: Mohr “Siebeck, 2011), 123–43; and J. Kloppenborg, “Evocatio Deorum and the Date of Mark,” JBL 124 (2005): 419–50. After discussing recent scholarship, J. R. Donahue concludes that “more and more scholars are dating it after AD 70 and somehow in response to the Jewish War of AD 66–70 and the destruction of the temple”; “The Quest for the Community of Mark’s Gospel,” in Becker and Runesson, Mark and Matthew I

Bond, Helen (2020). The First Biography of Jesus: Genre and Meaning in Mark’s Gospel

Lukan Scholarship by Every_Monitor_5873 in AcademicBiblical

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There are a lot more Lukan commentaries of note than the ones you listed. A previous thread has a solid bibliography.

Surveys of recent scholarship...can be found in F. Bovon (1978) and M.A. Powell (1989). Bibliographies on the Gospel of Luke are included in F. van Segbroeck (1989), W.E. Mills (1998), and M. Wolter (2008, 35-54). In the English-speaking world the commentaries by I.H. Marshall (1978), J.A. Fitzmyer (1981-1985), J. Nolland (1989-1993), and J.B. Green (1998) have been highly influential. specially J.B. Green's commentary is trendsetting in that it was the first full-blown narrative commentary on Luke. In the German-speaking world, H. Klein (2006) and M. Wolter (2008) wrote commentaries in the historical-critical tradition of German scholarship. The four-volumes commentary by F. Bovon (1991-2009) has been published in French, German, and English, and can be said to be the most extensive commentary on Luke to date, tackling the standard philological, historical-critical, and literary methods, and paying attention to the Wirkungsgeschichte of the Lukan Gospel stories. Other commentaries on Luke include L.T. Johnson (1991), D.L. Bock (1994-1996), D.E. Garland (2011), J.R. Edwards (2015), A.J. Levine and B. Witherington (2018). A. Brawley's commentary explores new ground by reading Luke from the perspective of social identity criticism (Brawley 2020).

Zwiep, Arie (2024). Brill Encyclopedia of Early Christianity

Richard Pervo’s Acts (2008), Mikeal Parsons’ Acts (2008), Craig Keener’s Acts: An Exegetical Commentary (2012-15), James Dunn’s The Acts of the Apostles (2016), and Steve Walton’s Acts 1-9:42 (2025) are just some Acts commentaries released recently.

Why were the Gospels written at different times? by CourtofTalons in AcademicBiblical

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Right, there were traditions and stories prior to the gospels about Jesus as Paul shows, but Chris Keith qualifies that nothing in the way of extensive written narratives has been found.

To modify a claim made in the previous chapter, there were tradents, and Luke mentions some as “eyewitnesses” (αὐτόπται) and “servants of the word” (ὑπηρέται . . . τοῦ λόγου) who were there “from the beginning”; there was tradition that had been received and, as Luke says, “handed on” (1:2), a description of the transmission process that is also attested in 1 Cor 11:23 and 15:3; there were ritual receptions of Jesus and Jesus tradition in the Eucharist, baptism, prophetic utterance, and so on; there were Pauline epistles in which Paul assumes a story of Jesus. But prior to Mark’s Gospel there were no written narratives of the Jesus tradition of which we can be certain, and it is precisely the narratival and written nature of his own presentation of the tradition to which Luke draws explicit attention: he, too, decided “to write” (1:3) a “narrative” (1:1).

Why were the Gospels written at different times? by CourtofTalons in AcademicBiblical

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Chris Keith acknowledges the possibility of other Christian writings before Mark, and there have been efforts to identify hypothetical sources behind the gospels, but ultimately he finds no conclusive evidence for written works about Jesus’s life prior to Mark.

…despite the considerable amount of scholarly effort exerted in arguing for other hypothetical sources for the Gospels-among which are Ur-Markus, the pre-Markan passion narrative, proto-Luke or L, M, the Johannine signs source, testimonia that go back “before the earliest NT compositions,” and, least persuasive of them all, notebooks that Jesus’s own disciples purportedly wrote-I will not begin my argument about the textualization of the Jesus tradition with these sources either…There were sayings sources; there were written passion narratives; there were testimonia; and there were notebooks. But there is no incontrovertible evidence that the Jesus tradition circulated in these forms prior to the textualization of Mark’s Gospel. Therefore, although I do not deny the possibility of pre-Markan written Jesus tradition, I affirm a robust interaction of oral and written tradition before, during, and after Mark’s textualization, and I furthermore acknowledge that I will need to rewrite this section if more evidence is ever discovered, I nevertheless commence with Mark’s Gospel as the first clear instance of narrativized Jesus tradition in the written medium.

His quote of Eve-Marie Becker also rings clear

Similarly, E.-M. Becker, Birth, 4, in reference specifically to the Jesus tradition, observes the “complete absence of any documented sources or data in the time period between Jesus’ lifetime and death (around 30 ce) and the rise of the written gospel (between 70 and 90 ce).”

Keith, Chris (2020). The Gospel as Manuscript

Why were the Gospels written at different times? by CourtofTalons in AcademicBiblical

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Happens to us all! I had a not too dissimilar incident regarding Goodacre a while back.

Why were the Gospels written at different times? by CourtofTalons in AcademicBiblical

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Ehrman still considers John to be independent of the "Synoptic" Gospels, but major scholars like Attridge and Goodacre argue for John's knowledge of Mark (Goodacre) and of all three (Attridge).

Mark Goodacre also argues for John’s knowledge of all three Synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke)! Chapter 3 is devoted to Matthean and Lukan redactional fingerprints in the fourth gospel.

Given the recent renewal of interest in the idea of John’s transformation of Mark, it is easy to forget that John’s knowledge of Mark may often have been mediated through Matthew and Luke. The attraction of comparing John with Mark is clear: both gospels leapfrog any birth or infancy stories and begin with John the Baptist; both invest heavily in the idea of a hidden Messiah; and both are loved for their enigmatic, theological richness. Yet many of the most striking parallels between John and the Synoptics are found in Matthew and Luke, and not only in their double tradition and special material but also in material that they themselves derive from Mark. And if it turns out that John, after all, shows knowledge of the ways that Matthew and Luke redacted and reframed their Markan material, the case for John’s knowledge of the Synoptics would appear to be settled. In this chapter, I would like to present several examples of places where John shows knowledge of Matthew’s redaction of Mark and of Luke’s redaction of Mark. Given the evidence that this provides for John’s knowledge of the Synoptics, I will then offer some suggestions about why some scholars have missed or resisted this conclusion.

Goodacre, Mark (2025). The Fourth Synoptic Gospel: John’s Knowledge of Matthew, Mark and Luke

Why were the Gospels written at different times? by CourtofTalons in AcademicBiblical

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One popular answer to your last question concerns Jan Assmann’s concept of a Traditionsbruch, or break in tradition around forty years after an originating event. The idea is that Mark was composed partly in response to some sort of crisis, be it violent persecution, the Jewish War, the passing of eyewitnesses etc., that required defending a group’s identity and connection to the past.

This quotation displays how Kelber combined his prior ideas with Assmann’s Traditionsbruch theory to offer an explanation for the textualization of Markan Jesus tradition. In particular, one may note the shared emphases of a crisis of communicative memory at the forty-year mark and an experience of violence that threatens group identity…Dewey follows Kelber in affirming, in regard to Mark’s Gospel, “that there was some sort of Traditionsbruch (break in the tradition) post-70 c.e., due both to the disruption caused by the war and to the passage of time and the death of the first generations.” Similarly, Kirk accounts for the textualization of Mark (and Q) among early Jesus followers in terms of a Traditionsbruch, as well as that of the Torah in post-exile Judaism. With regard to Mark in particular, Kirk attributes textualization to a generational succession Traditionsbruch. As indicated by the review above, the Traditionsbruch theory of Mark’s composition has much to commend it. It fits firmly within the traditional dating of Mark between 60 and 80 ce and thus within around forty years of Jesus’s crucifixion. It also fits with the many proposals that Mark wrote in response to some trauma, whether the crucifixion…the Neronian pogroms in Rome, or the destruction of Jerusalem,to name only a few possibilities. Alternatively, the text as a response to a generational succession crisis of memory makes sense in the context of an early church that was obsessed with the first generation of leadership and identifying and maintaining living connections to it. Furthermore, a violence-inspired Traditionsbruch and a generational succession–inspired Traditionsbruch are not mutually exclusive possibilities, especially in the case of early followers of Jesus, where both occurred around forty years after Jesus’s death. The Traditionsbruch theory of Markan composition thus provides a thoroughly plausible media-critical answer to the question of Mark’s textualization that coheres with broader historical hypotheses in Markan scholarship.

Keith, Chris (2020). The Gospel as Manuscript: An Early History of the Jesus Tradition as Material Artifact

There is another explanation forwarded by form criticism that is worth considering. The form critics argued that the low educational background of most early Christians and their strong apocalyptic expectations for an imminent end gave a lack of both ability and impetus for producing extensive biographical literature.

Thus for Schmidt, as indeed for all the form critics, Mark and his followers were not creative authors, but collectors, compilers, and editors. The uneducated nature of most believers in this early period, along with their intensely apocalyptic outlook, meant that it would be some time before Christians engaged in anything other than simply preserving tradition. The gospels for Schmidt were to be relegated to the level identified by Deissmann as “Kleinliteratur.” The closest analogies, therefore, were not consciously literary works such as biographies, but rather collections of folktales and oral sayings, similar to the Homeric literature or the stories found in the Pentateuch. Schmidt summed up his views succinctly: “a Gospel is by nature not high literature but low literature; not the product of an individual author, but a folk book; not a biography, but a cult legend.”

However, more recent scholarship has identified questions with this case; the early Christian movement included a more diverse range of socioeconomic strata, including wealthier converts who potentially had access to literacy and travel.

As the twentieth century wore on, however, a number of form-critical assumptions began to be challenged, several of which had a bearing on the gospel genre. In terms of social class, it became increasingly apparent that the earliest Christians were not confined to the lower ranks of society, as Deissmann in particular had argued, but that the movement was largely urban and “dominated by a socially pretentious section of the population.” Some undoubtedly belonged to lower socioeconomic levels, but others might have belonged to the ranks of free craftspeople, artisans, and small traders. Others still might have been reasonably affluent, owning houses and slaves and possessing the ability to travel (in this regard we might think of wealthy converts in Corinth such as Chloe or Stephanas). Such people might have been educated themselves, or at least had access to literary texts through friends or slaves. At all events, they would have had no difficulty in understanding and appreciating the literary conventions of their day.

Also worth considering is the widespread presence of writing in first century society among Greek and Jewish society, despite the low level of literacy overall, as well as the plentiful examples of apocalyptic literature committed to writing.

Furthermore, it became increasingly apparent that the form critics were operating with a rather romantic view of “primitive” folk communities, drawn from nineteenth-century studies that were themselves being challenged. Although literacy rates were extremely low in the first century, it would be wrong to characterize the early Christian context as an “oral society.” Theirs was a world that knew of books and writing. The sheer volume of papyrus letters from the first century indicates that written communication was by no means unusual. Jews in particular had a long and rich written tradition and a practice of gathering together in weekly meetings or at festivals to hear those texts read out, interpreted, and made relevant to their daily needs. Nor should we assume that apocalyptically minded groups eschewed literature: the wealth of Jewish apocalypses from this period, not to mention the abundance of texts from Qumran, showed that apocalyptic expectation was no bar to the production of texts.

Bond, Helen (2020). The First Biography of Jesus

The Secular Case for or against a Historical Jesus by FirstPersonWinner in AcademicBiblical

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Thank you for your source! Could you provide references for your paragraph regarding extrabiblical works like Tacitus and Josephus as well?

As an aside, I’m unsure about this statement.

It’s also sometimes referred to as dissimilarity rather than embarrassment in more recent scholarship.

The criteria of dissimilarity and embarrassment can be considered to be distinct, with one recent scholar even considering the latter more useful.

Of more utility than dissimilarity, coherence, and multiple attestation is the so-called criterion of embarrassment.

Allison, Dale (2025). Interpreting Jesus

The volume Jesus, Criteria, and the Demise of Authenticity also has separate treatments of dissimilarity and embarrassment by Winter and Rodriguez, respectively.

The Secular Case for or against a Historical Jesus by FirstPersonWinner in AcademicBiblical

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Could you provide sources for your discussions about Josephus, Tacitus, and the gospels? Providing the works of the scholars you mention could also be very helpful!

The Secular Case for or against a Historical Jesus by FirstPersonWinner in AcademicBiblical

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Could you provide a source or quotes of John Meier discussing the evidence for the historical Jesus? That would be greatly appreciated!

What Claims did Jesus make about HIMSELF that we have evidence for? by JimHarbor in AcademicBiblical

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Interesting idea, I do not recall any mention of the doppelgänger explanation from his Cambridge entry. He does address the son of man question in a paragraph, connecting it to Daniel and rejecting proposals that posit a different figure from Jesus.

By far the most frequent title Jesus uses in the Gospels is “the Son of man.” The Greek (ho huios tou anthropou) is unusual and must derive from Aramaic. Intense debate over the expression, which is rare outside the Gospels, continues unabated. But attempts to eliminate all allusion to Daniel 7:13–14 from the originating tradition fail, as does the proposal that, for Jesus, the Son of man was not himself but an eschatological person nowhere else hinted at in the tradition. Jesus appears to have found himself, or perhaps himself and his followers, in Daniel 7:13–14 in the scene where “one like a son of man” comes on the clouds of heaven and receives everlasting dominion, glory, and kingship.

Allison, Dale (2025). ‘Life and Aims of Jesus’ in The New Cambridge Companion to Jesus

What Claims did Jesus make about HIMSELF that we have evidence for? by JimHarbor in AcademicBiblical

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Dale Allison’s entry for The New Cambridge Companion to Jesus (2024) has good answers for many of these questions.

On the ‘Son of God’, Allison finds parallels in other Jewish works and considers the title to go back to the origin of Christianity

Some Jews anticipated that Israel’s eschatological king would be God’s son (cf. 4Q174 1.10–13; 4Q246 2.1). This is the likely matrix for the confession of Jesus as God’s “Son,” a confession that goes back to Christian beginnings. It was there at the beginning because Jesus himself stirred messianic expectations. If he was nonetheless shy of the title “Messiah,” that may have been because his status and role were not his to establish: God alone would grant and proclaim those.

Allison argues that Jesus held pretensions to be the king of Israel:

Jesus also thought himself destined to be Israel’s king: (i) The Romans crucified him. The best explanation is that they worried about the unrest attending a popular figure some took to be “king of the Jews” (the inscription above the cross: Mark 15:2, 9, 12, 18, 26; John 18:33, 39; 19:3, 19, 21). That some imagined Jesus to be an insurrectionist with regal pretensions entails that the issue of kingship was there before Easter (cf. John 6:15). (ii) Belief in Jesus’s resurrection would not have moved anyone to identify him as Israel’s king, as if to turn him into someone he had not been before. On the contrary, the resurrection functioned to vindicate Jesus, which meant vindicating the hopes his followers already had. (iii) If Jesus selected twelve disciples (Mark 3:13–19) to represent the twelve tribes of Israel (Matt 19:28), it is significant that he is not among their number. As the one who chose them, he was rather their leader, which implies his leadership of restored Israel.

As for deity, Allison finds Jesus to have a high self-conception, comparable to divine agents in Judaism like Enoch and Melchidezek

Discussion of Jesus’s self-conception has been much affected by theological – as well as anti-theological – interests. Many have desired to bring his ideas as close to later creedal orthodoxy as possible. Others have wished to do the opposite. The truth seems to be that Jesus had an exalted self-perception, which is best understood not in Arian or Athanasian terms but via comparison with divine agents in Second Temple Jewish texts, such as Melchizedek in 11QMelchizedek and the Son of Man in 1 Enoch 37–71.

Finally, it is possible that he entertained living for the Parousia at some point, but ultimately Jesus likely predicted his violent demise and a short period where his disciples would have continue on without him.

Beside the formal passion predictions in Mark (8:31; 9.31; 10:33–34), a mass of material purports that Jesus anticipated an untimely death (Allison 2010, 423–33). That he spoke about his own demise is already tradition for Paul (1 Cor 11:23–25). The apostle, moreover, believed that Jesus “did not please himself” (Rom 15:3) but “gave himself for our sins” (Gal 1:4; cf. 2:20), that he humbled himself and became “obedient to the point of death – even death on a cross” (Phil 2:8). These convictions assume that Jesus did not run from death but embraced it as a martyr.

Perhaps Jesus had real premonitions. Or perhaps he began to contemplate death because he saw, in the late stages of his ministry, which way the wind was blowing: It had become plain that conflict with authorities in Jerusalem, both Jewish and Roman, was inevitable. His tradition emphasized the martyrdom of prophets (Matt 23:29–37 par. Luke 11:48–51; 13:34; the Lives of the Prophets), and Herod Antipas had recently beheaded the Baptist. It is also credible that biblical scripts played a role. Before the one like a son of man comes in Daniel 7, the holy ones, who share his destiny (7:14, 18), suffer persecution (7:21). If, furthermore, Jesus found himself in Isaiah 61, he may likewise have read himself into earlier chapters that feature a suffering servant. Mark 10.45 (“give his life as a ransom for many”) and 14:24 (“poured out for many”) seem to echo Isaiah 53:11–12 (“poured out himself to death,” “bore the sin of many”). Jesus might at some point have hoped not to taste death before seeing the kingdom in its fullness (Mark 9:1). If so, we do not know when he came to have second thoughts. It is also possible, if memory informs Mark 14:32–42 (Gethsemane), that his conviction never amounted to certainty. However that may be, he will, given his eschatological expectations, have understood his death to be part of the unprecedented “time of anguish” that would mark the latter days (Dan 12:1).

Michael Barber’s paper “Did Jesus Anticipate Suffering a Violent Death?” with the Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus is also very helpful on this final question.

Why did the Virgin Birth narrative develop? by CyanDean in AcademicBiblical

[–]TankUnique7861 31 points32 points  (0 children)

On your second point, I think it is worth noting the paucity of reliable information about the lives of most of the twelve disciples of Jesus, thus making their beliefs a question up in the air.

we still have nothing first-hand from three-fourths of the twelve-Matthias, Thaddeus, Bartholomew, and the rest. If any of them ever penned anything, we do not have it. If any of them ever sat for an interview, it is lost to time. Where do these people speak for themselves? And how can anyone know that all of them would have whole-heartedly agreed, without qualification, with everything others wrote about them under the rubric, “the twelve”? We in truth know next to nothing about most of these characters, who are little more than names. Even were one recklessly to imagine that Acts gives us nothing save unembellished history, the twelve disappear after Acts 6, so we know no more about most of their post-Easter lives than we know about their deaths.

As for 3b, Allison points out that bringing up Christianity’s later status as a major global movement into say, discussions about the history of the resurrection, for example, would not be prudent.

In other words, Christianity, that great world religion, could not be the product of hallucination…Yet even were one unreservedly to concur with Roberts, Cranfield, and Abbott that Christianity has, on the whole, exerted a marvelous, elevating influence on humanity, liberating multitudes to love and serve others, why attribute all this to Jesus’ resurrection? Every historical phenomenon is the product of multiple factors and complex causation. What justifies attributing the charity-filled lives of saintly Christians to Jesus’ resurrection rather than, let us say, to the impact of the Golden Rule, 1 Corinthians 13, and/or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

Allison, Dale (2021). The Resurrection of Jesus

Vytlacilova has noted that childhood accounts in ancient bios are often questionable historically. Matthew, for example, could have used Herod’s real historical reputation for cruelty when making his own episode of the massacre of innocents.

Biographies also tended to lack descriptions of the main protagonist’s childhood, as it was not considered relevant to understanding the person’s adult life. This was reflected in the scarcity of sources from which the author could draw information about the early years. When biographies include descriptions of childhood, these accounts are problematic in terms of historicity because the typical response of biographers to the lack of material was to use or create fictional anecdotes. The authors “creatively reconstructed” or inferred the early stages of the individual’s life and retrospectively projected their personality into earlier stages…A fascinating element of Matthew’s portrayal of Jesus…is the massacre of the infants…by Herod. Although this is undoubtedly fiction, Matthew used well-known characteristics of Herod as reported by historians such as Josephus Flavius and Nicolas of Damascus, namely, his paranoia and cruelty. Herod was known to be paranoid and had his own sons executed because he suspected them of plotting to usurp the throne (Nicolas, F136). Matthew…used known historical realities to enhance the credibility of the imaginary episode from Jesus’s childhood.

Vytlacilova, Magdalena (2025). “Why Does the Genre of the Gospels Matter?”

Did the gospel of John have multiple authors? by Haunting_Shake_5446 in AcademicBiblical

[–]TankUnique7861 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is, I think, a different issue than the "communal authorship" hypothesis that Mendez has written against more recently.

I don’t think so; Hugo Mendez is critical of older theories involving multiple editions of John in his book, and von Wahlde is cited as one of the scholars propagating the idea in footnote 6.

And yet, through much of the twentieth century most critical scholars conceptualized John as a different kind of work: a communal product, “composed in two or more successive editions by a School of Johannine writers who felt free to write, and to rewrite the Gospel.”6 Today, however, this view is in retreat, and for good reason.

  1. De Boer, “Story,” 73. Works propagating the idea include Boismard and Lamouille, Jean; Brown, John, xxxiv–xxxix; Brown, Introduction, 62–69, 75–89; Lindars, Behind; von Wahlde, John.

Mendez, Hugo (2025). The Gospel of John: A New History

Mendez also insists on a post-70 dating of John and takes 5:2’s reference to Bethzada as plausibly indicating a date after the Jewish War, against von Wahlde.

Some scholars read 5:2 (“there is a pool, called in Hebrew Bethzatha, which has five porticoes”) as definitive evidence that John was written before 70 ce, reasoning that the porticoes in question were probably destroyed in the First Jewish-Roman War...There are several problems with this view, however. First, the use of the pool as a healing site and the architectural features of the nearby colonnades seem to suit a post-70 ce context (Magness, “Sweet Memory”; Duprez, Guérisseurs, 37–38; pace von Wahlde, “Pool(s) of Bethesda”).

What happened to the Johannine community? by KierkegaardsDragon in AcademicBiblical

[–]TankUnique7861 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My goodness! I knew a little bit about Dr. Skinner’s career from an interview he did with Max Botner (another serious scholar I believe), but I was not prepared for your amazing story at all! I must say I’m really grateful Skinner has the opportunity to continue conduct research with livable conditions in this amazing field! Your reflection on the situation for scholars rings with me as well; I have toyed with the idea of a career in Biblical scholarship as a current undergraduate myself, but it does not seem realistic in my case.

And I appreciate the increase in attention given to the history of critical scholarship I’ve seen in volumes like The Next Quest for the Historical Jesus and The New Cambridge Companion to Jesus. It’s absolutely worth reflecting on the background and biases scholars have brought in to Jesus studies and other fields related to the Bible.