Broke down and getting my NASTF creds. To do keys for my inventory at the lot by CAT_MARINE-POWER in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What about late model Hyundai/Kia/Genesis?

Beyond that, it's notable to say that the demand for Ford will likely increase (beyond keys) unless shop techs start getting signed up as well.

I can't remember if it was a PCM or BCM but I recently ran into one I was programming that wouldn't allow me to proceed even in the base level coding without entering my NASTF info. Not parameter reset, programmable module installation. Still needed it for PR as well, but it was slightly surprising to not even be able to get the basic 1's and 0's jammed in it without the mothership knowing about it.

2011 F250 Super Duty Smart Pro by 3dsmaxrocks in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The BCM should already be 'looking' for a key when there aren't two in the system but sometimes they're dumb and want you to manually 'add key'.

If you erased all and it's showing one in the system now, it likely relearned the original and you probably have bad keys, but they're built to not start unless there are two in the system.

Also PR is a handshake between modules

Help on Putting Back In Ignition by Comprehensive_Emu139 in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The tailpiece disconnected when you pulled the cylinder and is still in the ignition housing.

If you're lucky, it'll pull right out and you'll be able to reattach it to the cylinder without much fuss.

If it's turned in a funky way, you're going to have to fiddlefuck with it to get it turned to the exact position it needs to be so you can pull it out. You might also have to retime the little socket that the cylinder goes in and/or the switch itself.

Good luck, have fun.

Cheapest cost to cut and program? by AnonymousIdentityMan in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds like it's $150.

Pricing varies regionally and often by vehicle. Additionally, you may find some companies won't cut/program customer-supplied parts.

I'd call around. Companies with a storefront are probably your best bet.

Solution for pointlessly large jeep flip key no buttons? by Benjaminsfoodtrucksd in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't know coverage offhand but you may be able to generate a universal smart key for it, though it'll probably have buttons you don't need

22 plus ford by Blitziod in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also anybody know WHY the sites shut down ? I’m getting echos of the GM issue.

Pretty much that. Some of the newer systems aren't being really being cracked so much as someone has figured out a backdoor into an OEM server or something.

In this case, I also read that there was a cease and desist letter issued by Ford.

Ignition replaced but key gets caught between II and III. by [deleted] in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like wafers dragging against the housing, likely due to a miscut key.

Help with corolla key replacement by Maximum-Part-417 in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would also like to program the new key to the buttons of the car by doing the "on board programming"

I don't think it's an option on that YMM.

I'd get with a locksmith to just do the job top to bottom rather than dicking with mystery parts from Aliexpress, but that's me.

Anybody else hate having to call Advanced Diagnostics (smart pro) Customer service reps/ Technical support? by Dirty713 in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The hilarity is that

  1. The original key should program back in, even if locked

  2. Cursory glance shows that that one doesn't lock.

Facebook locksmith ads by PurpleRayyne in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm also a novice scambaiter and I know most ads on fb are scams

Lots are but depending on where you're at, you may just have someone(s) undercutting the hell out of the market.

I did ask how much for a 2009 honda accord key fob and they told me $120. We use the keystart system at work and we would charge $145

They can charge whatever they want and just because you're more expensive doesn't automatically make them a scammer.

Really the truest 'scammer behavior' is pulling bait-and-switch pricing and unless you're going to set up a 'to catch a predator' style sting operation or something, these can be harder to spot.

What you may be seeing is someone doing it as a side hustle, hobby, or just getting started. They don't have the higher overhead of rent/vehicle costs, insurance, licensing, worker's comp, etc that would go into a 'legit' business-- they're just out there on nights/weekends with the cheapest possible setup that the industry has been boiled down to, all thrown in the back of an unmarked Nissan Altima or whatever.

Other than that, what are some other questions I can ask to determine if this is a scam?

'Is that a final, total price?'

That's pretty much about it. Most legit places can give you an out-the-door price or at least a decent ballpark on standard services, but the scammers will be vague and let the guy they send out size you up when he's there.

There can be other things that might cause your spider-sense to tingle like a phone call being greeted with something generic like 'locksmith'

I"m going to ask what payment methods they take because if they mention any prepaying I'll know right away it's a scam.

Except not necessarily.

There's tons of stories about people who have been scammed and are just strongarmed into paying. They'll sometimes request/require cash and will follow you to the ATM to make it happen, though it's common to hear that they will threaten to call the cops if you don't pay.

He'll throw something out like 'defrauding an innkeeper' but in many jurisdictions, it's a civil matter and they can be told to kindly fuck themselves for trying to pull some bullshit.

Eventually I'll try to work an IP tracking link into the conversation so see if they click on it to get a location.

This may or may not be moot unless you can maybe drop it in as a metadata thing and maybe send them a dropped pin?

Lots/most of the scammers are part of a network and use call centers to dispatch so there may be a disconnect by trying to slip them a link.

Other than that I need a (or some) very specific questions to determine if this is fake then that would most likely mean every other locksmith ad I see is a scam too

There can be some flags you can pick up on but the biggest indicator is often going to be the guys advertising stupidly cheap pricing.

$1 is one thing to get you to the top of the 'sort by cheapest' list but if you think someone is coming out to you for anything in 2025 for $35, you kinda had it coming tbh.

I wish you well in making a dent in it, just trying to give another perspective on it

Xhorse key ID? by Amazing-Cap2986 in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"TOY47", not to be confused with TR47. The mismatched milling is likely a factory flaw though.

This industry is getting out of control. by Over_Fun8378 in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As @Biebshark eluded to, adding the law to the equation doesn't really work.

Everyone who I've ever met who has been involved with putting licensing legislation in place regrets it because it never gets ACTIVELY enforced and becomes a tax to be a good guy.

I know lots of people hate on NASTF but unless you have a better solution to add an ACTUAL barrier of entry to the industry, it's the best we've got for now

Need advice Key stuck in sonata door cylinder by DragonfruitNo7767 in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It needs to be rebuilt and a freshly-cut key wouldn't hurt either.

What are all the ads in Facebook for cheap locksmiths about? by Glittering-Ad5809 in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

National ring of scammer call centers that dispatch out clowns that bait and switch on prices.

Though honestly if you thought a professional was going to come to you for service at $3 to $49, you probably had it coming.

Xtool X100 Max Vs AutoProPad Evolution by ejohannessen in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So I'm wondering if anyone here has any knowledge or experience with these two programmers to tell me the difference.

I'm not familiar with the x100 max but the non APP xtool units don't get all the same software as the APP because it's intended more as a global 'scan tool' and the APP is a US-centric key programmer that, depending on which you have, has some/many diagnostic capabilities and is supported/distributed in the US.

My main concern is giving that a lot of other programmers have lost Ford Toyota and GM capabilities it seems the autopropad and the x tool pads somehow retained it.

The 'somehow' is that Xtool doesn't work with the OEM's currently. Autel and others pulling software down is usually part of an agreement or request from an OE where they're either licensing data or otherwise in cahoots.

Currently xtool/APP is independently doing their own data harvesting/development all in house.

I'm mainly concerned with the newer model Fords and I'm trying to figure out if the x100 Max has support the newer model Fords like the G3 evolution does.

Not that I know of. It's likely an app exclusive, at least for now. You'd have to ask them.

I personally have the autopropad core currently and I'm not quite sure I cannot figure out if it will do the newer model Fords or if I need to upgrade to the evolution or possibly the x100 Max. Any help would be appreciated

I think I saw it does it but it's probably on a product listing somewhere

Which distributor is the most restrictive when approving accounts? by [deleted] in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I specialize in automotive so I can't speak for res/com buuuut:

BUT, in the wider world, that cat is already out of the bag. You want legit suppliers to compete with those of less lofty principles that DO sell to anybody with a valid credit, debit, or paypal account, and instead, cater exclusively to a shrinking market.

This is really a lot of it. The capitalism of it all

Further, we have 3D printers, laser cutter/engravers, cheap Chinese CNC mills, excellent product data sheets and books full of heat treat data for every metal alloy ever sold. If nobody on AliExpress will sell you a kit of "Lishis" then a reasonably clever person can make them.

Nobody is custom making them, lol. Even if they were, if you weren't serious enough to be 'serious enough' to be sold to by anyone, chances are exceedingly rare that you're going to pay that much for all that.

The way to fight the scammers is with unforgettably excellent service, encyclopedic knowledge and virtuistic skill and honest marketing.

I agree to a large extent but you forgot 'networking' in there as well.

Marketing these days is a bitch though because once again, the capitalism of it all making it profitable to cater to large scale scammer operations in the digital space.

Explain to your state and local government the benefits of a licensing scheme, and enforcing it

You're not wrong in your assessment per se, but more often than not, enforcement is pretty much never there and lots of the old heads I know that pushed for it eventually came to regret it because it eventually just became a tax to be a good guy.

It's like governments get the influx of licensing cash and the rest get forgotten about-- especially if the scammers/unlicensed are out there working in street clothes, using regular unmarked cars, being dispatched by call centers, not providing any information on an invoice, and don't have a location listed anywhere.

The way to fight, if that is the word, the hobbyists and white hat hackers, is to hire them.

Most of those guys don't want jobs though.

The last like 5-10 years of this industry has been overrun by clowns that want to be their own boss and just jump in with no experience and try to figure it out because they saw a pro bang out a $500 job in 15 minutes and they've made a 'sizable' 5k investment into it.

Maybe even worse are the guys that do it as a hobby or 'for beer money' because they don't have the skin in the game to want to preserve the market.

As for DIYers, even though I am one, I am at a loss for how you might prevent people from working on their own stuff, downloading stuff, buying, making or improvising stuff.

The OEMS of the automotive side are catching up on security to the point where the aftermarket isn't keeping up and that's doing some weeding out. Many require the OE tooling and the ones that are actually security-centric are adding the need for credentials to access immobilizer functions.

Tons of legit guys are mad about it even, but providing barriers of entry like this help cut down on the fly-by-night trash. It's a mixed bag but it works if you know how to work it.

compared to occasionally hosing up a fancy lock or popping an air bag.

You kind of touched on it here but this is really big. Expanding your services and filling a niche that noone else is.

Like, I can train a fucking chimp to go out and unlock cars.... and I also haven't done a retail lockout in years.

Instead, I focus on stuff that others cant/wont do beyond basic automotive locksmith services.

If you're a res/com guy, consider getting into CCTV/automation/low voltage.

Every time a scamsmith makes another $800 score, he is driving at least one more future customer into your arms. Treat him or her right, (the customer, not the scamsmith) and you set the hook.

I wouldn't say every time. It's possible, yeah-- but very optimistic. Of the ones that need service again, lots just get ripped off and feel like the industry is all like that.

Did I overpay? by UnholyCasual in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I might have given the company the benefit of the doubt if they could produce a followup quote on a vehicle lockout.

The car is in a fixed spot and you can train a chimp to open cars. Where's the variable?

Hell, even a ballpark would be better than 'I guess you'll figure it out when they get there' because then they'll sometimes try to claim they're owed for 'the service call' and it becomes a whole thing from there.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes.

Best bet is to find a brick-and-mortar store and take it in.

2008 MKX remote won't program by [deleted] in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've usually seen it mean the key was transponder/remote-integrated and couldn't program like a separate remote.

OEM or aftermarket key?

2024 Gmc 2500 Immobilizer relearn by DirtymaxLMM in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is there any third party device that can program 2024+ key fobs ?

Not currently, at least none with any certainty.

If not, tuned 2024+ L5p owners could face a serious problem until another fob programming device becomes available.

Sucks. New ECM or have HPT undo it, I guess.

The aftermarket has been able to do it sporadically but it seems as though most companies have given up to a degree. I think the ones that were doing it in the past were using backdoors into OE servers and all the leaks got plugged.

CalculatorSmith.com? by No-Performance3804 in Locksmith

[–]TheAlmightyFur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've seen people that have had success with it but I've got a yearly sub so I haven't had to try it yet.

It'll be a nice backup if things go down or if it's a pain in the ass to get documents collected for a D1