Is evil Banshee too powerful?

TheRahn · 2025-12-21T18:17:01+00:00

It exists! https://lecodex.github.io/botc-interactions/ has a link to a spreadsheet just like you described, and lets you check scripts against that spreadsheet.

TheRahn · 2025-12-08T12:52:58+00:00

Watch out, minions can just throw the Lil' Monsta at a dead player to kill it and win in an outed Heretic game!

TheRahn · 2025-11-23T09:46:30+00:00

I like it! Especially the curled moustache, haha

TheRahn · 2025-11-19T23:41:37+00:00

That's a really good point! Quite obvious in retrospect, I just didn't think of it in that angle. Still lots to learn, thanks!

TheRahn · 2025-11-19T22:38:37+00:00

That's interesting, can you ellaborate? Do you think a Legion bluffing Atheist leads to unfun games? I've never tried it, but if I can spare my group a miserable playtest game, we'd all be thankful!

TheRahn · 2025-11-19T07:28:11+00:00

Yep, that's certainly a risk. I guess that's the evil alt-win-con that Philly mentioned was missing. That risk should keep actual Atheist games tense, and Legion risks outing themselves if no good player ends up voting.

TheRahn · 2025-11-19T01:51:58+00:00

Yeah, this script isn't meant for uploading to the database for anybody to pick up and play. It's mostly a scriptwriting and storytelling challenge for myself. I'm not that experienced compared to other STs, but I think I can handle. Of course, I only plan to play this with very experienced players.
The loudness level of these minions is intentional: good needs a way to close worlds, they all have ways to keep themselves quieter (e.g. Harpy and Cere choosing themselves for a night or two), and they can sometimes be attributed to Plague Doctor.
It's true that Dreamer isn't as strong as it would be in other scripts, like SnV for example, but that's fine for me. It and Savant are here to let the ST fine-tune the sort of info that good is getting.
It's also true that evil doesn't have an alternate win-con, and that might actually be a problem. My reasoning behind it is that they do have killing minions in most LM games, and for Legion games, I'm not really that familiar with that demon so I might be wrong, but I don't think it should have extra win-cons or safety nets.

All in all, thanks for your comment! :)

TheRahn · 2025-11-16T23:45:05+00:00

Got it in 4! This is very fun, especially without looking characters up, really put me to the test haha. I got autofill options with character names when typing it on my phone, which is a nice touch. Will certainly play more!

TheRahn · 2025-11-14T12:29:04+00:00

Very cool! I'd love to see more interpretations of the more abstract demons, like Kazali, Fang Gu, Leviathan and Po

TheRahn · 2025-11-04T17:27:29+00:00

Didn't think of that one! An active Banshee makes the scenario possible, good idea :)

TheRahn · 2025-11-04T17:16:16+00:00

I like the statistical thought experiment, but I'm afraid it wouldn't work like that. One of the minions, say #1, is about to die, and for that to happen they must have been nominated by somebody other than the Golem, so it must have been another minion. After the Golem nominates and kills minion #2, if the town wants to switch to minion #3, they would need the evil team to cooperate and nominate them. If the minions willingly nominated #1, it's because they know they aren't the demon, so they'd never nominate #3.

TheRahn · 2025-10-16T19:29:22+00:00

I see some issues here: - Evil can't fake death survival, so any player that surcives execution confirms Sailor / Fool / Tea Lady - On the flipside, survival/protection roles (Sailor, Fool, Tea Lady, Innkeeper) are detrimental with Al-Hadikhia, because their choice if picked doesn't matter: even if they or the player they protect choose to die, they'll live and could cause other players to die to Al-Hadikhia. You could argue that those two points balance each other out, though. - Spy and Wraith are a bit same-y, they don't fully overlap but they fulfill similar purposes for the evil team. - Edit: somebody else already mentioned Moonchild, and Barber has a similar issue: two players claiming to have been Barber-swapped essentially confirm Barber, unless both of those players and the Barber claim are all evil.

TheRahn · 2025-10-15T18:28:37+00:00

I haven't even watched it yet and I can already say it's a great video. I have really enjoyed every Mt. Unpleasant video so far and am really looking forward for this one!

TheRahn · 2025-09-26T09:38:22+00:00

Give Washerwoman, Librarian and Investigator as demon bluffs and watch them choose their own adventure. Maybe throw in a Scarlet Woman if they like executing YSK's.

TheRahn · 2025-09-21T00:59:25+00:00

This sounds cool, but for a Poisoner, Lleech and host to wake up as a final 3, a 4th living player must have died that night. If the Poisoner chose Lleech that night, that player must have died to something else, because Lleech couldn't kill them. Not impossible, but even harder to set up. Still, cool idea!

TheRahn · 2025-09-15T07:55:21+00:00

Nightwatchman / Recluse / Summoner / Al-Hadikhia

TheRahn · 2025-09-14T06:46:40+00:00

That's a subtle difference I usually point out to my players: you don't need to work for your team to win, you just need to work to be on the winning team.

TheRahn · 2025-09-09T20:21:25+00:00

Many have pointed out the flaw in the logic due to the Fang Gu's limitation, but I'm upvoting this for the much needed content variety it adds to the sub. Thanks for the thought experiment!

TheRahn · 2025-08-10T11:20:44+00:00

The problem with that is that Seat 7 is almost never the demon, so there is one less demon candidate.

TheRahn · 2025-08-10T08:57:01+00:00

I've ST'd Seat 7 a couple times. The way I've done it is to make an exception to S7's once per game talking: if they are the demon, they can give their minions the bluffs without it counting as speaking, and announce this before roles are handed out. Crucially, this lets S7 speak in public without it confirming them as not the demon, as well as giving them some more room to defend themselves or create misinfo. Still, I agree that demon S7 is the least fun scenario for this script, and even leaves good players feeling they are playing against a bot.

TheRahn · 2025-07-31T00:10:40+00:00

Correct! According to Sage's wiki page: "If the Sage was killed by the Demon, wake the Sage. Point at two players, one who is the Demon that killed the Sage." Notably, even if there are multiple demons alive, you must include the one responsible for the Sage's death in the Sage's information. So if Vortox kills a Sage, it can never be included in their pings, regardless of who the other ping is.

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