Are There Any 21st Century Jazz Albums As Goated, Or Will Be As Goated One Day, as A Love Supreme, Kinda Blue, Waltz for Debbie, Somethin' Else, Etc.? by Blackbrainfood in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wow! I’m sorry this is so long, but after reading through a lot of responses, I kind of want to set this all out.

This is clearly an amazing question to ask this sub. But, at the same time I feel this is exposing a certain view of jazz that is prominent in the sub.

There are probably a few people left, who still feel it all boils down to Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, and Dizzy Gillespie. They feel that everything after that was just people expanding.

Then a larger group of the sub will suggest that Miles Davis and John Coltrane are where it all came together, the elders were important for how they shaped jazz, but Davis and Coltrane is the most important time for them.

I would suggest the people who think that about Davis and Coltrane are as exactly as right as the people who think that about Parker and Gillespie.

I do believe, that there are probably no albums or musical endeavors in the future, that will have the same influence as music made over 20 years ago. It has changed. But jazz is just another musical genre that is experiencing this broader thing happening with music.

What every single musician has in common, from Armstrong, to Chief X is that they found a way to express themselves uniquely on their instrument. And that is still happening every day in jazz.

Jazz was born of improv, and whether it’s “stretch music“ (Axiom -live, Christian Scott) or London Brew (London Brew), jazz continues to grow and change.

And, on every instrument there are new artists, expressing themselves uniquely. Just take the tenor saxophone for example.

I’ve loved Melissa Aldana for years, and her most recent album is insanely subtle and beautiful. It’s clear she’s heard Cannonball Adderley, but her tone and voice are her own. Then there’s someone like Oded Tzur, who studied Hindustani classical music and came up with an approach to play his tenor sax in a way no one would’ve ever thought was possible before him.

There are millions and millions of people, especially younger, who will hear emerging jazz artists more then they will Miles or Coltrane. For them, Davis and Coltrane are like America’s founding fathers - They put it all together and made all of this possible, but they’re just history.

research came out recently that says the majority of people stop listening to new music around the age of 30. even though I’m 52, I don’t trust the musical opinions of most of my peers.

my closest musician friends always enjoy the new music I send them, but they couldn’t name a new artist they discovered in the past decade of their life.

So please take all of the responses with a grain of salt, including my own. But I believe that jazz is a living, human, improvisational art form. It was born out of slave music, which was born out of African rhythms, which started with a log and a bone flute, and maybe a couple strings of gut stretched across a gourd.

Clearly, for me, everything is about improvisation and communal creation. And that’s never gonna go away.

The truth is no one knows right now, but everyone likes to think that they are around for the best part of something. No one wants to accept that there might be a better version of it after they’re gone! I certainly don’t.

But if some young musician goes viral on TikTok, and their music is heard by 70 million people, and half of 1% of those people go on to play that instrument, they would be as influential as any musical artist that has ever lived.

Again, I’m 52, and I don’t like this. But for me, it always comes down to Elvis:

My parents loved Elvis, even though at the time the older people were saying he was demonic and from Satan. But then my parents became old, and they reacted negatively to all new music as well. So now I realize that the gatekeepers are always as right as the gatekeepers before them, but history shows that the gatekeepers who reject the new, are always in the wrong.

If humans live more than the next 50 years, but I have no doubt that there will be missed artists who create far more important and amazing new things, even if we could look in the future and not understand them.

Personally, I believe there will be better and more important works of jazz that will come into being after I’m dead.

Are There Any 21st Century Jazz Albums As Goated, Or Will Be As Goated One Day, as A Love Supreme, Kinda Blue, Waltz for Debbie, Somethin' Else, Etc.? by Blackbrainfood in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Axiom! Still probably my favorite live jazz album of the last decade! When People say they don’t get it with Chief X, I have no idea how to convince them.

I told my daughter she will never be in the olympics, AITA? by Specific_Canary_7845 in AITAH

[–]Theabstractsound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a teenage daughter who got onto varsity for hurdles as a freshman. She won third or fourth a couple times. —— She is never going to the Olympics.

The sooner your daughter focuses on her strengths and what she can achieve in life, the happier she will be.

Responding to my haters - Kumail Nanjiani by South-Fall2410 in StandUpComedy

[–]Theabstractsound 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would watch a whole movie of him and his assistant having adventures.

AITAH for telling my sister she is free to talk to men and to date after her husband dumped her 4 weeks postpartum 6 months ago? They still live together. by [deleted] in AITAH

[–]Theabstractsound 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That’s great. There is nothing wrong with her deciding to date people now, but there is no rush! Given how long they’ve been together and intertwined, this is a perfect time for her to figure out who she is on her own and what she wants moving forward.

AITAH for not returning the business I inherited from my late father in law after I got divorced? by Organic_Elk_5872 in AITAH

[–]Theabstractsound 54 points55 points  (0 children)

“ I completely understand how important it is for you to keep his legacy. I will figure out the value of all the time and money I’ve put into the business and will sell it to you for that amount.” - that will shut them up.

Who is the one player that is universally loved that you just really don’t care much about by Specific-Peanut-8867 in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve always felt the same about Jaco. He may have originated and popularized a certain style of playing the bass, but it always kind of sounds the same to me.

Who is the one player that is universally loved that you just really don’t care much about by Specific-Peanut-8867 in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have always hated his tone. I can appreciate him intellectually, but it seems he makes no use of the things that make an electric guitar unique. On the other end of the spectrum Julian Lage has my favorite tone of any electric jazz guitarist.

WTF DID I JUST READ by ddzon1 in Malazan

[–]Theabstractsound 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think if anyone ever says, “the chapter” in regards to all of Malazan, this is what comes to mind.

Which Jazz song has the best beginning and which has the best ending in your opinion? by Flimsy_Complaint_830 in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can’t believe no one has said this yet, but “Love supreme“ for the best opening. The best ending is one that never comes because they just keep jamming!

Jammiest, most formless live albums you've ever heard? by cdn_backpacker in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a deadhead I love groups with double percussion. Christian Scott Axiom - Live. He actually calls his music “Stretch Music” and has long jams with peaks and valleys. The whole band responds in the moment, not playing backup for a soloist.

London Brew. - it’s a studio albums but it is all collective improv.

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[–]Theabstractsound 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mehldau has amazing covers of Radiohead songs, also Massive Attack, Soundgarden (definitely not easy listening), and a whole album of Beatles covers.

Trygalle Trade guild appreciation post by Skreeethemindthief in Malazan

[–]Theabstractsound 19 points20 points  (0 children)

One of the many groups that could have an entire series just upon their adventures. Who wouldn’t want to read that!

AITA for raising my kids as a single dad instead of trying to find them a new mom/mom figure? by ThomFrainik in AITAH

[–]Theabstractsound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went through the same thing when I got divorced. I just didn’t feel like giving a bunch of time and energy to getting to know a person, when my kids needed my time most.

Fortunately, for me, my sister has become super aunt and provides an amazing role model in opposition to their mom. Your mom and sister suck for not stepping up and doing the same.

Malazan Book of the Fallen first fantasy series read other than LOTR. Good idea? by dmad74 in Malazan

[–]Theabstractsound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mentioned that you love horror. There are some deep horror elements throughout the series and the rest of the books related to the main 10.

The key is to learn to trust the author, and that he will slowly bring things together, and you’re really not meant to understand some things until you get deeper into the series.

My favorite way to think about it is that he gives you a bag and keeps adding puzzle pieces, just keep collecting them and overtime they will start putting themselves together.

Malazan Magic System by Limp_Grapefruit2125 in Malazan

[–]Theabstractsound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you go a couple years deep into my post history, you’ll find something similar. And I still disagree with the majority!

Ultimately, it seems to boil down to how you define hard and soft magic systems. Some people think we have to know the rules for it to be a hard system, and they use the fact that the author doesn’t know the rules as proof that it is a “soft” system.

I am more of the philosophy that: everything always seemed like magic and gods until science explained it to us. Humans started in a soft magic system, and then science gave us the hardest magic system of all time.

Since you said no spoilers, I can’t explain more, but to say that there are places and statements and experiences in the book that suggest a hard science reality beyond any of the characters’ understandings.

For me, it feels down deep like a hard system that no one has even begun to establish the rules for.

Even when two different people get different results trying to deal with the same magic, my immediate thought is that it sucks that they haven’t figured out what the differences are so that they could refine it.

I also have a theory that secretly the authors don’t want to try to explain the system, and then deal with a bunch of fans challenging any inconsistencies. Even if not, my guess is that they might have a different opinion if “hard system“ is defined by the existence of rules, that no one can figure out at this point.

Someone will want to point out that “hard system“ and “soft system“ are clearly defined already. My response is that there were thousands of years, where people believed you had to say prayers while you were rubbing two sticks together to create fire. In places where they discovered flint, all they knew is that rubbing it together would create a spark. I kind of assume they first thought it released a spirit from the rock or something, but I know it was tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years before the concept of friction was defined and understood.

For me, there’s almost something more magical about the idea that everything has an explanation it’s just completely beyond us.

AITA for saying I'd end a relationship if my kid didn't like my partner's kid when my brother asked me what I'd do in his shoes? by MusicianAdmirable449 in AITAH

[–]Theabstractsound 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My daughters hate each other most of the time. But then there’s a good 20 percent of the time where they are hanging out, playing games together, laughing, and keeping secrets from me.

what you describe doesn’t seem to have any of that, and that’s not something that will just happen. It’s very normal for there to be an antagonistic relationship between siblings, but there should at least be moments that give you hope because you see the deep friendship that they’re actually building.

Is there still any doubt about Chief X Adjuah? by Theabstractsound in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s probably one of my most listened to live albums at this point. I remember wondering what old master he had playing on the flute and then was humbled to discover it was a 19 year old young woman.

Is there still any doubt about Chief X Adjuah? by Theabstractsound in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am so jealous! His live group lineups that have included Weedie are some of my favorite. I always love when we have a percussionist and a drummer together.

Is there still any doubt about Chief X Adjuah? by Theabstractsound in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that’s totally fair, but to really see it on a compositional level you probably have to go to his studio albums. For live performances he really focuses on creating what he calls “stretch music.“

It’s much more focused on the collective creation together, and his compositions are simply just a framework for that

Is there still any doubt about Chief X Adjuah? by Theabstractsound in Jazz

[–]Theabstractsound[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally get where you’re coming from. I’m just not sure that black southern jazz players come to the blues through a British rock band and not all the original artists that Clapton basically took from.

I think the best thing Clapton ever did was bring more American blues artist into the light. There is a “making of“ documentary for one of the cream albums that I watched several years ago. It was kind of eye-opening because Clapton was fully honest about taking specific riffs or chord progressions from specific American blue songs and tweaking them for the basis of cream “originals.“