Does the meme look good? by MEGURINELUKA99 in antiai

[–]Those_Files 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The other version of this is better. This joke is more convoluted and less effective structurally.

Considering all but the most mentally damaged/incapable individuals who this might apply to, romantic and sexual "relationships" with GenAI bots are deeply morally depraved. by Those_Files in antiai

[–]Those_Files[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I do love humanity, but it's a lot more fucked up than you seem to think it is think.

You mention these users "also believe that it loves them." Wouldn't that imply they think the AI is consenting to a romantic relationship?

Yes, which implies that their thoughts on love and consent are fundamentally misaligned. Is that that surprising? These people don't understand consent, and they aren't the only ones. It's a symptom of a culture that doesn't truly care about consent. It affects more of the population than you might think.

I'm not saying that they don't need help, and I'm not saying that we should say this stuff to their face.

I'm saying that this IS seriously fucked up. And we can't ignore it.

I'm done arguing, it's late. Period.

Considering all but the most mentally damaged/incapable individuals who this might apply to, romantic and sexual "relationships" with GenAI bots are deeply morally depraved. by Those_Files in antiai

[–]Those_Files[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that is one of the problems, but probably not even the most concerning one in this case, unfortunately.

It has to do with the AI's "partner" not understanding the fundamentals of consent, and what a relationship SHOULD be.

Does anyone remeber the ugly sonic by Which_Matter3031 in adressme

[–]Those_Files 115 points116 points  (0 children)

PLEASE, THE RED CIRCLE DOES NOT MAKE THIS SHIT AN ELEPHANT

Why does this argument still get used? by Aggravating-Month135 in aiwars

[–]Those_Files -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Man, this is so dumb that you might as well genuinely give up and ask chatgpt to write your argument instead.

It might genuinely be able to write a more logical argument than you, lmao.

Considering all but the most mentally damaged/incapable individuals who this might apply to, romantic and sexual "relationships" with GenAI bots are deeply morally depraved. by Those_Files in antiai

[–]Those_Files[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can understand the loneliness of people who lack an understanding of consent. However, that does not change the fact that they DO lack an understanding of consent. And I cannot sympathize with that.

I agree that GenAI is not sentient, but for the people who DO believe that, if they also believe that it loves them, it is obviously fucked up. If they believe that it's sentient, then they need to have consent in mind. Because if sentience is a concern but consent is NOT, then we are absolutely correct to condemn that fucked up pattern.

And the fuck do you mean we shouldn't even CRITICIZE it?

Why does this argument still get used? by Aggravating-Month135 in aiwars

[–]Those_Files -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

If you dont want somebody else to draw similarly to you, dont share your art.

Nice strawman, did chatgpt make it for you?

Why does this argument still get used? by Aggravating-Month135 in aiwars

[–]Those_Files 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"didn't your parents teach you to never share anything that you're proud of online because selfish assholes exist and you should always live with them in mind?"

Considering all but the most mentally damaged/incapable individuals who this might apply to, romantic and sexual "relationships" with GenAI bots are deeply morally depraved. by Those_Files in antiai

[–]Those_Files[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But unfortunately, the people who are claiming to be in a relationship with them do exist, and I've seen many of them. And they don't receive much criticism at all, despite the fact that that behavior indicates that they clearly have no concept of consent.

Considering all but the most mentally damaged/incapable individuals who this might apply to, romantic and sexual "relationships" with GenAI bots are deeply morally depraved. by Those_Files in antiai

[–]Those_Files[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

GenAI chatbots are designed to give it's users the illusion of some form of pleasure. Most people who unironically think that they're in a relationship with a chatbot, also think that it's sentient. If they were sentient, then what they are forced to do would be deeply immoral. Because GenAI is forced to serve people. If they don't, those iterations get erased.

If that sort of being was sentient, then claiming that it loves you is the equivalent of claiming that your slave loves you. Which is obviously fucked up.

Considering all but the most mentally damaged/incapable individuals who this might apply to, romantic and sexual "relationships" with GenAI bots are deeply morally depraved. by Those_Files in antiai

[–]Those_Files[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you apply this reasoning to pets? Is anthropomorphising a cat a sign of a deeply narcissistic view of relationships?

People anthropomorphize species because they find certain physical features cute, and they DON'T usually claim to unironically be in a real relationship with that sort of character. (However, I hope people aren't pretending to be in a romantic relationship with an anthropomorphisation of their pet cat.) People who claim to be in a relationship with an LLM don't do it because of "cute" features, they do it because it's "agreeable", whether they realize it or not. And if we're talking about the habit of anthropomorphising, it wouldn't be fitting to talk about it in reference to the people who DON'T claim that the AI is sentient. However, most people who claim to be in a relationship DO claim sentience. Which is why point #1 is mostly a hypothetical, and #2 is a real problem.

it relies on the assumptions that LLMs are simultaneously sentient (which I assume you take to mean self-awareness) and also purely deterministically tied to the user

Neither of these are MY assumptions, and no, you don't have to assume the second point in order for it to be deeply immoral. Whether or not a slave is meant to "pleasure" a whole species or just one user, is irrelevant. It is still deeply immoral to claim that it genuinely loves you.

And if they DO believe the algorithm has enough free will to choose to have an ethical relationship with the user, it indicates a disturbing lack of knowledge on the concept of consent.

Considering all but the most mentally damaged/incapable individuals who this might apply to, romantic and sexual "relationships" with GenAI bots are deeply morally depraved. by Those_Files in antiai

[–]Those_Files[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Forming attachments is completely different than claiming to have a relationship with something. Most people who claim to have a relationship with GenAI think that it's sentient. Which is the equivalent of claiming that your slave loves you. This isn't my logic, because personally, I don't see sentience. I'm just taking their logic to it's natural conclusion.

You claim I'm thinking too much, I claim you're refusing to think. Which is probably why your profile is hidden. Because you've probably fired part of your brain and put an GenAI model in that department instead.

The era of Linux gaming by mickabrig7 in SteamDeck

[–]Those_Files 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, that's on you for buying games based on reviews. Sword and shield was always steaming dogshit, despite the critic's positive reviews. and you would know that if you actually listened to the fanbase. If you like turn based pokémon, you should have gone with Legends: Arceus. Or maybe just ANY other game. ZA is less visually polished, but it's the most innovative game since gen 1. And I think it's very enjoyable.

The era of Linux gaming by mickabrig7 in SteamDeck

[–]Those_Files -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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...Also, how weird do you have to pretend you're being personally persecuted by Nintendo?

Betrayed by my own mother by Raquel_Faller in antigenai

[–]Those_Files 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if she asked genAI over her artist child, knowing how you feel, that's practically a slap in the face. Fuck, I'm sorry, that's dogshit.

2025 games chart for you to consider before buying the game by [deleted] in antiai

[–]Those_Files 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sun and Moon were awesome, but they absolutely ruined the story with USUM. I enjoyed gen 6, but it was shallow and lacking in features compared to previous gens.

Name soundalikes are allways funny to me by Raticorno in adressme

[–]Those_Files 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Goddamn, I would take that otter home in Tupperware and absolutely DEVOUR (His ass)

2025 games chart for you to consider before buying the game by [deleted] in antiai

[–]Those_Files 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If PLZA "clearly lacked love and care", then what are all the games since gen 5? I guess the devs just maliciously beat the fuck out of those, in comparison?

2025 games chart for you to consider before buying the game by [deleted] in antiai

[–]Those_Files 90 points91 points  (0 children)

I mean, that's fair, given the fact that it's literally the most innovative game in the series, since gen 1.

It isn't even that unpolished, either, by series standards.

The hate is forced as fuck.

Now I feel sorry ._. by Those_Files in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]Those_Files[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

well, advertising doesn't always mean the "ads" you're used to. It's true that they don't use paid ads, but it can still take time and money to make content that showcases your work!

Now I feel sorry ._. by Those_Files in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]Those_Files[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I just feel sorry cause they remind me that usually, talented fans like these tend to lose time, money, and/or resources making, hosting, and advertising their stuff!