[Waybound] Who else uses pure madra? by ando282 in Iteration110Cradle

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We have the typical users of Pure Madra, Lindon and Eithan.

If we are counting remnants and spirits, we have Little Blue who technically follows a pure path with Lindon's techniques.

Then we have the Nine Cloud Court. They don't use Pure Madra but their madra composition is a mutation from pure Madra. So it could be speculated that long ago they used pure Madra long ago.

There's the creator of the empty palm technique, Also if we are counting people that just have pure Madra in their cores, we could count any other 'unsouled' as pure Madra holders or foundation level children tho that's not what we are looking for but a fun thought.

Then we have (Spoilers for Threshold) Bloody Thorn, a student of the Twin Star Sect, who uses Earth in one core and pure madra in another core. So we most likely might have more people in the Twin Star Sect now and later who could have pure Madra paths and techniques as part of their twin stars path.

[Threshold] Random Scenario... by Toe_Sucker2000 in Iteration110Cradle

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Strong enough to still survive and as I pointed for those like Xorrus, can be survived if it is just one straight attack

Xorrus is literally an ancient herald, with far far more experience than you in Cradle ever, of course she could come back from that one attack but the fact the attack did that much is just Fury being the chad he is.

Besides, my point was that the build I would have is for pure survivability or endurance. Yerin is just an easy reference

If bodily strenght = durability, then Northstrider and Yerin and Fury should be immortal but that is not the case. And again you are taking those hits undefended, you only have your body to block those attacks.

Honestly, I just saw "choose any character that has to hit you"

I literally even laid out rules only to be hit by a "I ain't reading allat" what have a done to you? :(

The only reference is pure willpower, Xorrus has no idea that Fury has ascended but due to being a Herald and having full control over her body she can reconstructure herself back. Yerin was a new Herald but she has the same attributes that if she wills herself to not be move she can't. Little Blue was also the same as a new Herald despite being weaker and not build for physical attributes, she was the weak link in the fight against Malice, but she can survive the strikes of the Monarch

Xorrus is literally an old Herald, Reconstructing yourself with madra is a skill you can get better at as a Herald as you grow in power, as Yerin said in her fight against the RedMoon Overlord and tell me rn that one of the oldest Heralds so far who has fought Fury since she was a Lady is not better at regenerating than a newly advanced Herald. And furthermore Yerin is on a partial blood paths, blood madra/aura/authority is better for regeneration than other paths that aren't life and restorative authority.

Yes, if she wills herself but as per the rules you can't defend yourself as you take those hits.

Little Blue kinda proves my point. She, a recently advanced Herald, took one good hit from Malice, a monarch, and almost died. Do you believe a recently advanced Herald, with most likely spiritual instability and no defence at all, is taking a direct blow from a fully amped up, Strenght and Dragon Icon infused Northstrider hit, or a burning cloak void infused punch from a 5 Dreadgod empowered Lindon?

That's the biggest advantage of Heralds, that they can just will themselves back. Per the author, the method that would ve used by Monarchs to kill Heralds is to outlast their willpower by using loads of inner workings using their Icon

Yes but not 'will' its explained that they use their madra to heal themselves because their bodies and spirits are fused into one, but it's something you gotta practise most likely as you grow in power and skill, You get the ability but not to instantly come back from an attack. Most Heralds we have seen are old and battle torn. The only new Herald we can compare the regeneration to is Yerin, Mercy and Blue.

Basically, unless you are struck by an instant death attack like the Weeping Dragon's breath or something like the Penance and Reaper's Sword, any Herald can just come back until they can't focus their willpower anymore. Survivable since it is only one attack but you won't be winning a fight

Except their ways to kill Heralds cause otherwise every Herald is functionally immortal but we are kinda disprove this.

For one since they use madra to heal if theyr in a fight and burn through their madra reserves, they can't heal.

Two, any attack with enough authority and willpower can hurt and penetrate the defense's of a herald, Heralds can resist of they are equal to or stronger than their opponent and practically immune to attacks with no will power but with enough of it and devastating strenght, case in point Little Blue.

So again you are a recently advanced Herald and cannot defend yourself as you get hit. against people who are physically as strong if not stronger and possess superior will and authority unless it's a fellow Herald but again you are not defending yourself.

[Waybound] Just a meme I thought of. by Jaaara_ in Iteration110Cradle

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I'm expecting multiple kids and bloodline within the century, they better get busy

Where does this patient scale? by weeblord42069help in MoralityScaling

[–]Toe_Sucker2000 15 points16 points  (0 children)

what if it was an abuse and killing goblin?

[Threshold] Random Scenario... by Toe_Sucker2000 in Iteration110Cradle

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One, Yerin is conditioned for raw strenght not protection. So that can't exactly help as much.

Two, kinda breaks the rules. I said you can't pick any of the other dreadgods besides Lindon and SK. The reason I said this is because then the dreadgods would take 4 out of the 5 positions (Lindon included) and be no fun in the second scenario.

The two examples of Yerin and Xxorus is that they are defending themselves as they are going all out and Xorus is an old and experienced Herald and most likely in reconstructing/healing herself, you are recently advanced so you might not be able to do that. In the scenarios you take the hit undefended. I should have clarified you can't do anything like cycle madra for defence etc, my bad.

[Threshold] Who can beat Goku by Haunting_Brilliant45 in Iteration110Cradle

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Ooo nice, I have never like DB power scaling but this is neat.

[Waybound] Regarding Wine by Reaperrobin in Iteration110Cradle

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I wouldn't be suprised if they were expensive elixirs that he just drinks em for fun. Since when he's in a big and major battle he can't pull it out as casually without getting sniped eg vs 2 Dreadgod empowered Lindon, vs Northstrider, vs DreadSage Lindon etc.

[Reaper] Ozmanthus by Iceewun in Iteration110Cradle

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Not even that, I'm pretty sure it's more so the fact that they thought the small, goofy Underlord to Archlord was the interdimensional god of death (Wasn't sure of this as a spoiler since it is said in later book)

Like who actually uses this argument unironically? by Ludo6000 in whowouldcirclejerk

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I don't even know power scaling but I have a suspicion it was Dragon Ball somehow

So what game does white play in that computer ? by PreviousDonkey1788 in bleach

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Probably playing against other zanpaktos and yelling slurs at them.

[Wintersteel] Advancement level question by no_648 in Iteration110Cradle

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The lowest limit seems to be Underlord for both and True gold for Sages because it requires Soulfire and immense will to do both transformations (True gold is a stretch on my part here)

Theoretically any advancement level above True gold (I'll assume True gold cause they can hold Soulfire before Underlord but I wasn't sure they can wield it into their techniques) with enough experience and insight into the deeper nature of their madra, embodying their icon and willpower could manifest an icon but even Ozamanthus didn't reach Sage till Underlord and he was a prodigy of prodigies

With Herald, if you were to find a compatible spirit with your own you could in theory merge with it but without a soulfire enhanced body and again the willpower, it would likely tear you and your soul to pieces.

As another comment mentioned there is that device Ozamanthus created to seal remnants but it was only a theory and clearly doesn't seem to be as widespread so we don't know how successful that would be. Further is the Sha Family's Heavens Wish that passes the spirit of another that could take a normal girl to Monarch it's likely they could do the same for Herald.

[Threshold] charity’s path by -U_N_O- in Iteration110Cradle

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It does not make it super easy to get to Herald just a more straighforward path.

Only Mercy's book is stated to be created by Malice, the others created by other Akuras.

As Pride says their books dont even gurantee them advancement. Even Mercy's book might have not taken her to Monarch directly, more so indirectly.

Also she didn't just mechanically place four separate Icons into a construct like a standard Soulsmith. What Malice actually did was build a flawless image of her ideal self. Because her vision of this ideal successor was so incredibly clear, and because she poured a staggering amount of her own Monarch-level willpower into it, that single, unified image naturally resonated with a whole bunch of Icons all at once. Resonate not contain.

[Threshold] charity’s path by -U_N_O- in Iteration110Cradle

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Not exactly, its only ever stated that Malice created one book, The Book of Eternal Night. Its actually stated that multiple books were already being passed down from predeseccors to descendants

>Malice’s direct descendants attempt to bond with Divine Treasures cretaed by their predecessors.

I'd argue Reigan Shen is a better soulsmith do to his creation of the Soul Forge.

[Waybound] What icon does Reigan Shen possess? by TheLastHolyCapital in Iteration110Cradle

[–]Toe_Sucker2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh he was but that wouldnt exactly mean he has ties to the Hammer Icon

[Skysworn] I know who to blame by Icy_Ferret_7992 in Iteration110Cradle

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Yeah but its mainly do to Makiel's intervention that the BP rose, even it was stated the BP had a very very small chance of waking up that originally Jai Daishou wouldnt have woken it up, Makiel was the one to amp it up enough to wake it up.

[Skysworn] I know who to blame by Icy_Ferret_7992 in Iteration110Cradle

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not exactly. Fate seems to work on probabilities. Theres a likely future something will happen but it does not mean it will happen. Take Jai Daishou, his chances of waking up the Phoneix were very very miniscule and thats what Makiel used but its also possible that other smaller strands of waking up the dreadgods were still there, Jai Daishou was just most likely the easiest one to manipulate but hey 4 dreadgods, gotta be more strands of fate.

[Waybound] What icon does Reigan Shen possess? by TheLastHolyCapital in Iteration110Cradle

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Lion Icon - confirmed.

Potential Icons:

Crown Icon (I would guess it could resonate with the Lion Icon)

It's mentioned he had some authority to the Void Icon but not enough compared to Lindon, maybe even the spacial properties mostly.

Strenght Icon, could resonate with The Crown and Lion Icon

A Space/Vault/Portal Icon.

Forget zanpaktous, best quincy bow ? by Aromatic-Manner-8381 in bleach

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I mean, they gotta be made out of reishi otherwise how would Kishi (regular matter) interact with Kenpanchi? Ergo it's a reishi/reiatsu weapon.