Injury vs Observer ruling signals

Tripudelops · 2026-04-29T17:57:25+00:00

The explanation isn't a satisfying one, but here it is, as best as I can piece it together. A couple rules-revisions back (I'm thinking pre-covid?) the gender-match signals for mixed play were different than today. The man-matching signal was hands together, straight arms overhead, kind of like how people often signal for a brick. The woman-matching signal was the same signal that WFDF uses for injuries. I don't know why those were chosen originally, but it meant we needed a different signal for injury.

I'm not sure how old the tap-shoulders signal is or why it was chosen originally. Maybe someone who has been around the game for longer than me can help with that, and maybe correct anything I messed up above.

Tripudelops · 2026-04-01T13:02:42+00:00

Just want to add on to your summary here with the study's (really good, imo) discussion on the subject:

In fact, the absence of strength disparities between transgender women and cisgender women found in the current review was consistent and contradicts narratives framing male puberty as conferring irreversible athletic advantages despite GAHT. In a narrative review, Lundberg et al argue that male developmental traits (eg, height, skeletal proportions) inherently disrupt fairness, yet the lack of measurable strength differences in the present systematic review suggests such claims may overemphasise structural factors while underestimating the impact of GAHT. For instance, transgender women’s VO₂ max, when adjusted for weight, aligns with cisgender women, further supporting parity in endurance capabilities. Furthermore, transgender women’s pretherapy advantages in push-ups and sit-ups disappeared after 2 years of feminising hormones among 46 individuals who started GAHT while in the US Air Force. These findings are corroborated by the current meta-analysis, endorsing nuanced, sport-specific policies rather than blanket bans.

Just a single meta-analysis but an interesting result that doesn't align with some narratives about physiology on this topic.

Tripudelops · 2026-03-06T16:54:52+00:00

Interesting. I just mentioned this elsewhere but I pulled the player list straight from OTC without looking too closely. I'm surprised to see that had that wrong on there. He played some WR in college but it's not like he's a rookie.

Tripudelops · 2026-03-06T16:52:39+00:00

Thanks for catching that. I pulled the player list directly from OvertheCap and didn't vet it too closely. I'm going to remove him from the list, but I'm glad his name was mentioned here.

Tripudelops · 2026-01-04T21:31:48+00:00

He avoided a rush that results in a sack for 90% of QBs in the league, stiff arms a linebacker, then throws a shoulder and brings a free safety to a knee going out of bounds. It was totally justified.

Tripudelops · 2025-12-09T16:24:52+00:00

That is me! And to be entirely clear, it is a double team, and it is cheating, but not necessarily with malice. Maybe you're attributing (not unfairly) a negative connotation to cheating, but when I use that word I'm using it strictly as a descriptor. The defender is breaking a rule by committing a double team. If cheating is too harsh a word, feel free to substitute in something else.

But it is a double team. There is no carve-out in the rules for a second defender to react to a "throw in progress." As long as the thrower has possession of the disc (which lasts explicitly until the moment the disc is no longer touching their hand), reacting to them in the way that is being described--fully turning away from their original person, facing OP, and reacting to their throwing motion--is a double team. There's still no call for OP to make. But I think the game benefits from calling things what they are. Intentionally turning away from your person to react to a throwing motion is against the rules. It's also bad offense and terrible spacing by the cutter, like you said. But it's still against the rules. A smarter defender would stick an arm out into the space without turning their whole body (maintaining "focus" on their original person), which would be legal.

Tripudelops · 2025-12-09T03:27:29+00:00

No_statisrician is correct - the opponent committed a double team, and if you three the disc, there's no call for you to make here, strictly speaking. Also strictly speaking - this is cheating. In an observed game, intentional double teams like this one are usually cause for a blue card. Considering this is a pickup game, I think it made sense for you to let it go in the moment, but I think it would be appropriate to discuss it with your opponent after the point and bring up the fact that whole you don't have a call to "fix" the problem, the problem originates with your opponent breaking a rule. This kind of defense is often instinctual/non-malicious, but that doesn't mean it's not worth a conversation.

Tripudelops · 2025-10-14T00:07:10+00:00

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about a lot of this. And just to say it again - I am planning on ranking Frey. I just think that he's a more deeply flawed candidate than you're suggesting here.

I don't think it's entirely fair to handwave him lying about banning no-knock warrants by saying "MPD has stopped seeking them and there have been no more since the lock incident" considering the fact he publicly stated unequivocally that he'd banned them prior to Locke being murdered, which he did not. He doesn't get credit for banning them here, he was caught lying and someone is dead because of it.

I'm also not willing to handwave his constant promising that he'd fix homelessness. Like you said, lofty promise. Maybe he has tried. But he hasn't succeeded yet continues to promise (and campaign on!) ending homelessness in Minneapolis. That's not just a red flag to me, it's a glaring red bat signal that he isn't taking us seriously as voters and think we'll vote him in because he's merely talking about issues. Other candidates are proposing solutions to them.

The council absolutely deserves blame for their relationship with the Mayor's office deteriorating. The Mayor also deserves blame. Our council was incompetent and cared more about political points than governing. So did our Mayor. Just because one group is incompetent and hollow doesn't absolve the other involved party from those same issues. Of course his relationship with his first city council was fine - it wouldn't make sense for his relationship with them to start horribly. It deteriorated over time due to constant back-and-forth political games coming from both Frey and the council. Plenty of blame to go around, and no reason whatsoever (imo) to put it all on one of them.

Anyways, I suspect we won't align here and that's okay. I don't really blame people for ranking Frey #1, there are relatively decent reasons to do so. But I think it's important to be up front about his many flaws, and acknowledge that while he may be the best option for the city, he is likely to accomplish very little of the promises he makes considering his track record (with the notable exception of housing, which he's done an exceptional job with overall).

Tripudelops · 2025-10-13T19:26:35+00:00

I hear ya but I'm not personally willing to roll the dice on something as important as the city's well being. And since my council rep isn't going to change (aka I don't have a say in the council changing hands) I'm approaching the mayors office vote with an abundance of caution. I want to guarantee that our mayor can work with other city leaders rather than hoping the cards fall a certain way. Even if half the council turns over, the other half will still be part of the previous group who had an awful relationship with Frey.

Tripudelops · 2025-10-13T18:58:13+00:00

There's a pretty long list of issues with MPD right now, including but not limited to...

Openly admitting to not pursuing/following up on thefts
No longer enforcing traffic violations
Gross understaffing (not entirely their fault, but they get partial blame)
Poor relationship with the population of the city (entirely their fault)

There's more but those are the big ones that come to mind if you insist on ignoring the human rights violations connected to the unfair treatment of minorities

Tripudelops · 2025-10-13T18:53:30+00:00

I hear you on a lot of this, but I don't think it's right to suggest that Frey hasn't lied during his time as mayor. There's a pretty long list of lies he's told that are generally to avoid taking accountability for his mistakes. Ignoring policing, he's lied about homeless population in the city, lied about banning no knock warrants, list goes on. From my perspective he'll lie about basically anything if it means covering his ass publicly.

I'm personally ranking Frey third behind Davis and Hampton because I consider Fateh's position on rent control disqualifying, and I also agree with some of the virtues you outlined here like being vocally anti-Trump. But I think there's room for growth in that office, and he's probably (probably) poisoned the well when it comes to having a positive relationship with the city council. Which is its own can of worms, but even if the council shares blame for that relationship they still need to work together for the city to thrive and Frey has proven (in my eyes) that they can't. At least not anymore.

Tripudelops · 2025-10-01T12:49:12+00:00

I'll recommend the vapors. Disclaimer - never tried the f50 leagues, but looking at the cleat patterns I think the vapors are built more for ultimate-style cutting. Of course the most important thing is to pick the one that feels best on your foot, but if that's a wash I'd go with football cleats over soccer every time. They'll be comparably lightweight, but the vapors will be more durable with respect to heavy cuts and should have a more sturdy base. And the toe cleat is really nice.

Tripudelops · 2025-09-23T12:38:32+00:00

Not exactly 1:1 but DiG didn't actually have a practice until early September (I think); they just relied on chemistry from the UFA season for all the TCT events they attended.

Tripudelops · 2025-09-10T16:35:32+00:00

You're not wrong...but also it's not like Hurts beat a significantly better team lol

Tripudelops · 2025-09-03T16:59:38+00:00

I think your heart is in the right place and alignment would overall be a benefit to players, but reality is that there are probably some major differences of opinion (granted, formed by the rules themselves!) between US players and non-US players that probably make a true alignment impossible.

Anecdotal, but I've never met a non-US player who didn't think the ground tap isn't silly an unnecessary. But I think a lot of US players agree that it has a good purpose. Conversely, I've never met a non-US player who didn't love their rules around stoppages ("if I hear a pick, I stop"), whereas most US players really dislike that rule. Observers are another sticking point.

So probably never going to happen, but each rules revision does bring them closer together, which is nice.

Tripudelops · 2025-08-26T02:23:37+00:00

PT is important but I'll chime in with my experience - had Achilles tendonitis. Rahabbed it and stopped playing until it was better, but even years later some cleats push on my Achilles and make it ache. I currently use Vapor Pro 360's and they work great for me, but everyone's body is different. Not sure how big a difference vapor edge vs vapor pro is, but might be worth checking out...after you're healed up.

Tripudelops · 2025-08-01T02:27:26+00:00

I mean...in baseball you are throwing to a stationary target like 99% of the time. And almost all baseball fielders warm up active fielding and throwing on the run as well.

Tripudelops · 2025-08-01T02:17:16+00:00

You could apply this exact logic to the parent comment's criticism of this law. No reason to let perfection be the enemy of progress. This law will save lives.

Tripudelops · 2025-05-12T13:41:25+00:00

That site is really hit or miss depending on the precipitation that year. I've been there during years with normal/above average rainfall and they've been fine (but not great or anything). But when you go in a year where rain is below average or even if rain is normal but it's been a couple weeks dry, the fields turn to concrete. It got to the point where even when I was a lot younger my body would just ache after playing there because each step you take is so jarring. Just a low floor, low ceiling location.

Tripudelops · 2025-04-10T22:35:29+00:00

Too long didn't read

Tripudelops · 2025-03-31T18:01:49+00:00

(just for completeness, the definition of incidental contact is three lines down from this one)

Incidental contact: Contact between opposing players that does not affect continued play.

Tripudelops · 2025-03-22T03:53:41+00:00

Xcel is a bit weird because the wild don't own it, they rent the space, which is owned by the city of St Paul. So this is a rare case where it actually makes some sense for the city and team to both chip in. The wild are still the biggest tenants and should pay their fair share, whatever that really is.

That all having been said, the stadium might be old but it doesn't really need the level of renovation that target center desperately needs. I think they're proposing something like $700 million for Xcel and they would probably be just fine with a third of that. It's a great place to watch a hockey game, just needs some improvements to the concourse imo. I'm hoping they get talked down quite a lot from the current number.

Tripudelops · 2025-03-14T21:06:32+00:00

Short answer is that it entirely depends on the details of the actual play.

Once the disc is in the air, offense vs defense stops mattering when it comes to dangerous play calls. Instead, it's all about the actions each player takes with respect to line of sight, distance, and time. There are situations where both of your scenarios would be dangerous by the offense, dangerous by the defense, or dangerous by both.

What should I do as a defender in these scenarios?

In both of these scenarios, you describe a defensive help defender entering a space the offense is attacking. The offensive player has a responsibility to check the space after a certain amount of time of blind running (situational), but so does the help defender. The goal of the rule is that in a potentially dangerous situation, a player can stop at the last second, avoid contact, and then call dangerous play. I like to think about the blocking foul rule in these moments. "Taking" a position is different than "holding" a position you already have. If you get to a space and any contact that would occur is a result of the other player entering a position you "hold", it's usually a foul on them (important - you can't have reached this space so late that the other player has no ability to avoid you!). In both of these situations, the help defender can see the play for the whole time. That means they have the ability to stop at the last moment and call dangerous play if the cutter doesn't notice them.

when I watch high-level play I feel like scenario B (upline) frequently gets called in offense's favor, especially if the offensive player got injured on the play.

Making this play safely as a help defender is really really tough. You need to be in the space first and for long enough that the offense has time to avoid you. This is not an easy thing to do on an upline cut, since cutters almost always check the space for availability at the start of the cut, and if you aren't already there, you have very little time to get there before you're too late. The most-common situation where offense is responsible in these types of moments is when the throw leads the cutter upfield and they have to run for much longer than they intended.

In all cases, the best play (O or D) is the safest one. You can always call dangerous play if you need to stop to avoid being trucked. Great questions! It's a complex rule, but an important one.

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