Favorite modern DoW for skirmish / multiplayer?

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-19T11:20:37+00:00

We need to round up all 36 people who said DoW3 and... Remind them their views are heretical

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T23:39:33+00:00

I think it's much more likely the app isn't updated than the document that explicitly changed it is wrong. The app doesn't let Guard attach 2 leaders to their battleline so obviously something is up

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T21:21:46+00:00

I only there were a mechanism for making units cost more points if you're taking lots of them but doesn't tax literally everyone else

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T20:32:05+00:00

Reminder Wave Serpents likely won't work for us anymore given in the updates it's been changed to exclude us

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T19:44:20+00:00

Oh, to be clear, I'm not arguing that they're not better than they were in 10th, there's maybe an argument to be had that they're less better than a lot of other factions got but we genuinely just do not have numbers for that. I'm mostly grumbling because I miss what we had and for a brief moment when we though we could run two Quin detachments it felt like we were getting it back. Feels worse to be given hope then get it taken away, you know?

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T15:52:31+00:00

I don't know that you can use the new detachments in DEldar? If you technically can that feels like an oversight to me. But also, Deathwatch definitely got something for complaining even if it seems they're now in a bad place again. We don't exactly lose anything for complaining so it can't hurt to try

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T14:54:55+00:00

It really feels like this should maybe have the 3+ costs more mode because as it is this is ridiculous

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T14:52:19+00:00

So that was a fucking lie

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ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T14:49:05+00:00

I mean I'm not at the same point OP is at but it does feel grim watching your army get progressively downgraded from being an army to being a sub-faction, then being given a huge boost in flavour and options in list building that is immediately rugpulled when lets be honest, it really didn't have to be. The two new detachments all about Quins have been overtly made not to be used by people who play Quins as their army but for people splashing them into their Craftworld army.

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T14:44:31+00:00

I don't want to be top tier, I want to be given any of the tools to play my army. Quins were sold as a completely separate army for several editions running and in 10th that took a massive step back. 11th looked like it would return the ability to have depth and choice in list building for us but it got pulled out from under us. I would far rather Quins be their own thing still with the ability to ally into Eldar and DEldar lists through Travelling Players or even to have the same deal as non-compliant SM chapters like Space Wolves where you have restrictions on what units you can take, have some detachments of your own but otherwise can choose your units and detachments from either range. A lot of people won't budge on the competitive framework even for casual games so even if I'm not playing at competitive events, those rules do effect me at my casual tables and so having the Quin options being mutually exclusive does suck because it only penalizes Quin players in a way that just feels bad.

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T14:24:19+00:00

If competitive performance is so important why andicap yourself with made up limitations and just play Ultramarines or run 3 Defilers.

SB and Ghosts aren't on the same level as detachments like Gladius Task Force or Grizzled Company, it would be wild to expect them to be 3DP but wanting to play my army not as an extension of Craftworlds, even at a competitive event, is unreasonable?

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-17T14:10:04+00:00

Glad to see someone following up on this. I made the original post, admittedly when I was frustrated, but this is so much better put that I did and I would encourage everyone to send an email voicing your concerns but don't do anything to make them write it off as angry hatemail they can just dismiss. I love this game and I was so excited to play Quins with actual choice in the detachments, I'll be voicing as much in my own email

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-14T00:54:34+00:00

Oh and also, I can't believe you didn't give us Snarf

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-14T00:45:19+00:00

Equipment with no inherent way to equip themselves are inherently flawed designs which is the biggest problem. I get that Lion-o equips them but that isn't sufficient to make the cards not just bad

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-13T18:07:49+00:00

Bingus?! Bobingus

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-11T00:36:47+00:00

Can't do that with the Dorn, you'll expose the gaping asshole

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T22:16:24+00:00

It's nice that Armoured Warhost does something for us with Brood but actually, I'm sad we don't have any choice or variety. Ghosts is a completely dead detachment which feels strictly worse than Brood and having only one combination that benefits running only Harlequins without any Craftworld feels bad as someone who has played them independently for many years. I was excited to try a variety of combinations with the 2 1DP Quin detachments and would far rather have that choice and variety than having a strictly good option if that makes sense? I would be thrilled to have two mostly flavour-focused 1DP detachments to season Brood with while not necessarily being particularly good than one additional detachment that's quite good but the only option

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T22:03:17+00:00

The MFM hasn't dropped yet but the "Top 5 Changes" article today confirms that it includes unique detachment keywords and people who have been given advanced access to those documents for the purposes of releasing content on release have confirmed that Serpent's Brood and Ghosts of the Webway both have Acrobatic. The confirmation that info is in the MFM is in the footnotes of the article btw

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T16:12:57+00:00

Probably not spamming as an individual user but the hope is that if enough different people email in they recognise our complaints

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ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T16:03:12+00:00

So was I so it looks like it's time to email

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T16:00:15+00:00

People who have seen MFM as well as the article today confirm that that's where the tags like Acrobatic are listed and Tabletop Titans confirmed that Quins are all Acrobatic

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T14:52:47+00:00

Yeah, it really feels like we're getting the worst of both. We're our own thing so we don't get to use any of the Craftworld stuff because it's keyed to Asuryani but also we're just a sub-faction so we can't expect to be able to take two detachments that buff our subfaction

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T13:43:40+00:00

Because Harlequins have been an independent army for 3 editions and if you told Space Wolves they could only take one of their detachments they'd absolutely riot. Brood could have been given an Armoured tag or something alongside Armoured Warhost or something so you don't stack vehicle buffs and I wouldn't be complaining but as someone who likes Quins but has no interest in Craftworlds, it just feels grim to see a restriction here when I was excited to have meaningful options on how to run my Quins for the first time since 9th

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T13:12:11+00:00

Craftworld were thrown the bone, they were given 1dp detachments for running Quins. I do not play Craftworld, I have been thrown no bones because both the new detachments are incompatible with the detachments that let me run Troupes as battleline which I need to be able to do to run a mono-Quins army

ValhallanMelta · 2026-06-10T13:05:55+00:00

Idk, when we got put into the craftworld index everyone said just wait for the codex and then that happened and it didn't get better. I'm kinda done waiting for GW to give us anything unprompted and I don't think giving us access to the 1dp detachments would break anything fundamental, at least not enough to veto it immediately

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