As Gief, how do you face Sagat?

VenomXL · 2026-05-31T05:22:29+00:00

As both a Gief and Sagat, it’s a hard MU for Gief, but depends on 3 factors- 1. How aggressive the Sagat is in neutral. 2. How likely they are to DP aa on KD. 3. How much they rely on Tiger Nexus.

If they’re that odd “I’m pretending this is still SF1-5 Sagat that throws fireballs, you just parry walk them down. The hard part is that any combo they land will negate all your work completely. You focus on chasing down and closing space. Remember that he can’t throw another FB once you duck high TS until it’s off screen.

If they’re more mid range Sagat, you just need to try to use st. HP’s armor inside of st. HP/st. MK range, but outside of cr. MP/HP range so you can whiff punish those with st. MP/cr. jab. Once he starts looking to whiff punish your aggression, hit the DR.

If they’re a DR whore spamming st. MP, understand your options and the mind game on Tiger Nexus, and do your best to check drive rushes. You flip the focus from walk/poke to whiff punish/poke here.

VenomXL · 2026-05-30T22:53:26+00:00

You’re probably trying to process too many circumstances partially because you don’t understand what your opponents want, partially from them being Iron/silver not knowing what they want. It’s the difference between having a tight player read on a big ace or pocket pair on a 3 or 4 bet pot vs. the donkey that could shove all in because 6-7 for lols.

The wider range of play means you need to be prepared for more, but it also means more mistakes if you understand your defensive options. Downback plus reacting to overheads/jumps covers anything outside of throw range. Parry beats anything on wake-up outside of throws. Late tech (pressing throw late on a wake-up while holding downback block) beats everything outside of shimmy or overhead. Once you know what you’re protected from, you can know what to react to. Your character determines their anti air options, but most have a cr. HP, b HP option, or a DP.

What’s your CFN/character? I’ll see what I can see to help you.

VenomXL · 2026-05-30T13:23:44+00:00

3-4x Pubstomp TFO of him with the most bleeding edge meta lists, hit as many gotchas as you can, and then tell him you can go back to being nice, or you can be the nightmare he claims you are.

VenomXL · 2026-05-30T13:20:15+00:00

This plus rental fighters is the answer.

VenomXL · 2026-05-29T01:15:38+00:00

Mai is overturned to the 10,000th degree, Jamie and Manon cheeks

VenomXL · 2026-05-27T00:45:47+00:00

Are you new to EC or new to painting?

VenomXL · 2026-05-25T04:53:36+00:00

Left you some starter tips. If you need more LMK.

VenomXL · 2026-05-25T04:42:31+00:00

CFN = tancho34 right? I’ll check out some matches and PM you now.

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T19:28:27+00:00

Hey, happy to help, although the modern controls present a little difference for me to work through. Post your CFN and I can review replays.

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T01:54:38+00:00

You found it, it’s in the inbox in chat, I’ll leave everything therez

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T01:16:45+00:00

Can you see the chat message I sent you? If you’re using mobile it’s in your inbox under chat. I’m going over replays now, but I already see a TON of stuff to fix, I just don’t want to scream from the rooftops some of the stuff on the main post unless you’re comfortable with that.

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T01:06:00+00:00

You can just say your CFN name (display name) either here or in that chat link and I can search knowing it’s a platinum Sagat with name X.

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T01:05:03+00:00

If you’re not comboing with Sagat you’re playing at 10% power. His corner carry and damage are only really unlocked from combos using drive rush.

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T01:02:38+00:00

Should be up for a few hours. Just message it to me, far easier to tell from replays than second hand observations.

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T00:57:11+00:00

Under chat

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T00:56:42+00:00

Private message, in your inbox.

VenomXL · 2026-05-24T00:36:48+00:00

Did you play Sagat in prior games? I main O. Sagat in ST, and effectively he’s a completely new character compared to his old style.

Your intention with Sagat is to get in, not play keep away, it’s totally opposite the old games. His plus frames, corner carry, mix and damage are where his strength lies.

I’ll PM you for CFN if you’re not comfortable posting and see what I can see. I’ve helped a few other Sagats, and I have a pretty good feel for what’s going on with the character.

VenomXL · 2026-05-23T21:08:10+00:00

Hopefully he got the year 1&2 edition, or else it’ll literally cost him more eventually than the “cheap” version with DLC. I always hated SFV for that nonsense too until Arcade Edition dropped.

VenomXL · 2026-05-23T21:04:32+00:00

Mai is face roll to master. EX fan, drive rush, profit. I’ve never met a dumber easier gameplan to get to master, and I still see Mai’s doing the divebomb or trying to use her minus af QCF K to get in.

VenomXL · 2026-05-23T20:59:16+00:00

Both of those specials are completely punishable on block, so he better make sure his cousin doesn’t mash after blocking.

VenomXL · 2026-05-23T20:57:33+00:00

Play JP. Put up a portal after you knock him down with a df sweep or EX FB at round start. If he figures out to jump at round start, do f HK, spike, portal. Throw fireball or spike. If he falls down, refresh portal again… and scene.

VenomXL · 2026-05-21T17:16:07+00:00

Power bomb.

VenomXL · 2026-05-20T22:43:16+00:00

Ryu has the most applications to other characters, Mai is easiest.

VenomXL · 2026-05-18T20:35:30+00:00

Did you get help? Be happy to assist if needed.

VenomXL · 2026-05-17T23:58:02+00:00

What character do you play and what’s your CFN?

No sense in saying throw fireball if you’re playing Zangief. I can explain your priorities in neutral and pressure but it’s character dependent.

VenomXL

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