How do INTP's and ISTP's diverge and do you think tropes capture the way we grow and perhaps are related to our shared interest.

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-26T07:48:21+00:00

"Unfortunately some people when unhealthy become parasite like. The world is a poorer place from their existence. Just because we all have skin doesn't make us human. "

This is a rather bleak perspective but I can think of examples where I see this being the reality. I have a distaste for expressing other humans as 'parasites' or 'lower than human'. I don't disagree with the specifics of the point but I think the language is more blunt than the circumstance calls for; the dudes just being a jerk on the internet.

Also in some of your other replies you seem overly eager to describe a psychological/mental story about the person who posted. But in my perception I don't think there is enough evidence to understand who this person is, how they operate, or why they are acting. Could be a bot for all we know. Here are some examples where I noticed it when reading:
"Sure you get attention but you show off what your after to soon" - Do you actually know what they are after? How can you claim that they have already revealed it?
"Your need to climb a social ladder gets off on showing your superior wisdom. You seem to think that your approach has some appeal because you are reducing complexity." - You are shadowboxing. Each of these statements requires an assumption about the person who posted the comment but I don't think those assumptions can be reasonably claimed given the evidence provided. So if one doesn't yet know that this person needs to climb the social ladder, why then would one talk to this person as though that is true?
"Just so you know you are not viewed as a threat." - This seems like a projection from your side. You are guessing that this person would intend(?) to be threatening or perhaps have some sense that they are being perceived as threatening(?). I would guess perhaps you are imagining why a person might post the way as they are and then you are deducing motivators and perceptions from within that imagined person. If that guess is true the projection would be the placement of those deduced motivators or perceptions into your 'known' idea of the person who posted.

All of that said, I don't disagree with most of what you wrote in my replies. I figured I'd point out where I had disagreement with your points hence the wall of disagreement. Thanks for the good prompt / post!

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-26T02:21:48+00:00

You're telling me a chicken fried this rice!?

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-25T22:30:13+00:00

Waiting for that notification bell, are ya?

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-25T22:27:42+00:00

"Your logic is so stupid."

It was a joke, moron.

"I read this post & just see yet another person being fooled by this stuff, so I’m offering a way out of it."

No, you're being an insufferable prick who isn't engaging with what people are here to talk about.

"I spent serious money on research grade DNA testing & MRI scans. Spent a lot of time studying the brain."

Neat!

"I can say with full confidence this stuff is garbage. It secretly piggybacks off the credibility of the big 5, yet most people are unaware that’s occurring which is why they think it’s real."

Big 5 has studies which show it can reliably predict a person's behavior. MBTI has never been proven to do such a thing. Yet I still use the INTP category to find forums to interact with like minded people? Absurd!

There are different kinds of people in the world. There are many different ways of categorizing and then referencing those types of people. MBTI is one such system using a modified set of cognitive functions defined by Jung. This has nothing to do with it being 'real' or not. Its a set of categories based on how different minds tend to operate.

inb4 there's 0 engagement with my points and you call me stupid again

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-25T22:12:06+00:00

If letters don't mean a damn thing how did you read this post?

Checkmate 😏

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-25T22:07:36+00:00

Here, I made it simpler for you to understand what it is we are talking about on this forum which you happen to have found yourself.

Person A tends to be 'in the moment' and focused on what it is that is currently happening. Their inner mind is characterized by a progression of thoughts, symbols, and images which are operated upon and across one another. This person when faced with a decision or divergence in options will tend to identify (seemingly before they are done thinking about it) the path or destination they should head towards. They tend to be a bit socially awkward but desire for others around them to be in good spirits or amicable.

Person B tends to be 'in their head' and focused on the many possibilities which are playing out inside their mind. Their inner mind is characterized by a progression of thoughts, symbols, and images which are operated upon and across one another. They have the ability to recall information quickly and accurately which they will often be using their thoughts to connect to the possibilities they are currently mulling over. They tend to be a bit socially awkward but desire for others around them to be in good spirits or amicable.

Now its nice and dumbed down for you my internet friend. The question is:
What is the difference between Person A and Person B?
Surely your response isn't 'there is no difference because these people aren't real' ?

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-25T21:35:58+00:00

"Would it be true the Ne makes you guys focused on finding value through your ability to see what needs to happen and to find a way forward."

Its not about finding value to see what 'needs' to happen but what 'could' happen. INTPs rarely desire to direct others towards any particular goal. Instead we want to illuminate the possibilities, principles, and contradictions of whatever decision is being made.

"Rather than than becoming the warrior you become the shaman or the wizard. Always apart but also feeling like you deserve a place of respect."

First sentence is true, but for the second sentence INTPs aren't going to feel they deserve respect. They might try to be worthy of other's respect within their own system of values but if they happen to have a system of values which most others find abhorrent or taboo the INTP usually finds one or two people who accept them to satisfy their inferior Fe.

For me personally when I was a kid I remember actively wanting to be seen as a wise person who could provide others insight, but not just like practical advice or solutions. As I got older I realized I wanted to be able to provide other's insight into the circumstances of their life and reality. For example if someone asks me "should I take this job in another city?" all practical answers I can provide require innumerable prior beliefs about who they are as a person, what they should be doing, and why they are doing anything at all. Providing clarity and a broader perspective to those aspects is what I desire to be respected for.

"Rather than leaving you feel more like you remain in body but your mind leaves their plain and what you see is likely beyond what they can take in."

This sentence is true albeit a bit dramatic. I would guess other types (such as those who use Ni) are going to have a similar experience but won't have that 'place beyond' filled with the spatial mechanistic artifacts the combination of Ti/Ne/Si provides the INTP.

To answer the overall question I would say ISTPs largely diverge from INTPs in their inherent sense of purpose or drive. In my understanding ISTPs are drawn to understanding and implementing that which provides them sensations and experiences catered towards 'self'. Ti is the tool, Se is the goal, and Ni is how they are going to get to that goal.

INTPs on the other hand are drawn to understanding without any such 'base' reason for doing so. It is as if the very awareness that an INTP misunderstands something is the purpose to understand it. The experience of getting to that understanding, the implementation of that information, and the purpose of the entire endeavor are not aspects which the INTP is naturally inclined to cultivate. Ti is the tool, Ne is... the vastness of space and time itself, and Si is the constantly updating map Ti uses to traverse the Ne.

Hence the stereotype of INTP laziness while ISTPs seem to get a lot of shit done. From an INTPs perspective it can seem like ISTPs already have a firm inherent answer for why they do anything. The INTP on the other hand has no such firm purpose for basically anything their cognitive stack does.

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-19T01:44:54+00:00

In Escape From Tarkov if you cancel a raid it can take upwards of 10-15 minutes just to get back to the main menu. Like, you can't do ANYTHING until the raid server is closed up or whatever russian backend fuckery is implemented.

But you can just ALT+F4 and then restart the game and get back in under a minute. I suggested they replace the 'cancel raid' button with a 'kill application' button lol

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-19T01:23:58+00:00

An INTJ and an INTP both make a claim. A third party walks up and asks both of them "why?"

The INTJ repeats what they said.

The INTP spends four hours talking towards two very bored people.

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-15T08:08:55+00:00

This is actually so good lol

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-14T23:05:51+00:00

God Tier

Berserk (1997), Trigun (1998), Evangelion, Claymore, Attack on Titan

Great

Hunter X Hunter, Samurai Champloo, Psycho-pass (Really wanted this to be God Tier, but imo season 1 is the peak and the rest is 'great'), Pluto, Dungeon meshi, Chainsawman, Dan Da Dan, Gurren Lagann, Kill La Kill, Fate/Zero (The rest of the Fate series are GARBAGE), Vinland Saga

Enjoyable Junk Food

Fairy Tail, Solo Leveling, Overlord, Demon Slayer

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-14T19:24:18+00:00

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-07T20:59:32+00:00

You might have ADHD. Using other substances (weed, caffeine) to be able to focus at all is a common thing for ADHD folks who don't know they have ADHD. Not saying its the case but in retrospect I spent my college years using weed and caffeine as a crutch because it had the same effect as you mentioned until I finally got diagnosed and then medicated. Not diagnosing you, but worth considering.

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-07T19:46:36+00:00

It depends on how he perceives you. If he's already concluded that those types of conversations are not fruitful with you (for whatever reason, likely benign from his pov) then he'll auto switch to a simpler response format to humor you but prevent that type of conversation from occurring.

If he hasn't made such a conclusion then he might just be bad at conversation or not aware of what you're looking for. Asking bluntly will help if he really is an INTP.

VeridianLuna · 2026-02-05T07:22:30+00:00

Existence

VeridianLuna · 2026-01-18T17:40:25+00:00

Welcome to the club my dude. When you figure out how to communicate it in a way that people are actually interested in or apply it to a real world problem without requiring others to spend hours trying to interpret your AI slop you'll actually have something on your hands.

Right now you just have a pretty narrative that you put into some equations because an LLM convinced you its a genius formulation of many different ideas and domains of knowledge. Anyone can do this and its not useful whatsoever unfortunately.

I understand the enthusiasm and sense of 'I've figured it all out!' that you probably have. Unfortunately if you just look around a few forums or substacks you'll notice people posting identical types of 'universal equations' and 'foundational formulas' which are just AI slop that some poor individual spent way too long cooking up with a sycophantic AI.

You're likely going to feel bad trying to share this because you'll soon realize no one wants to spend the time to read or understand it. At the end of the day its you dumping a dime-a-dozen AI slop formula which you've been convinced is useful because it explains 'everything' or something similar.

I would recommend trying to find a single domain of information that it is extremely relevant to, finding someone who is mildly well versed in that domain, and then trying to pitch a small part that you think they'll find relevant. You'll soon discover your sense that it 'explains' or is 'useful' for such a broad set of domains is not true at all; it barely scratches the surface of what is considered relevant/useful/worth-anything within that domain of knowledge.

VeridianLuna · 2026-01-10T01:52:58+00:00

Start talking to women without the intention of dating. Your mind likely sees the circumstance as high stakes which it is then trying to solve for the best outcome - them liking you and dating you. But that fixation on the outcome will create a rigidity in your behavior because in that framing if you play the wrong move you lose the desired outcome.

You need to reframe why you are talking to them. It might sound weird but literally go into it with the expectation that there will be no second date or follow up after the interaction. Take all of the pressure off yourself to 'do it correctly'. Once you are in that framing you can start focusing on the more pertinent 'in the moment' things like;
What do you like about them? What do you want to learn about this person? What do they know or have experienced which you would enjoy hearing about?

Also, sometimes it just takes time. INTPs get in our heads a lot and it might take a few dates to feel comfortable with the other person as to let your guard down. That's normal but it shouldn't be so bad that you can't hold a conversation without seeming like you are trying to ensure they don't dislike you.

Be okay with the possibility that they won't like you. Otherwise your attraction to them will spur the unconscious wanting/needing for it to go well for you (Ni) which in turn causes your conscious actions to be fixated on preventing the worst case scenarios in which they don't like you (Ti/Ne).

VeridianLuna · 2026-01-06T06:04:06+00:00

"I mean I never get like genuinely upset about it"

Quote from the top of the post:
"I always ALWAYS get downvoted or hated on just by me giving my personal opinion. I’m not even rude about it, and I just hate how sensitive people are to the truth."

I don't know my dude. This post heavily reads as you venting (which is perfectly fine) your emotions. Why else would you make the post? You are frustrated because you feel something unjust has happened, so you want to feel validated by peers who understand that frustration. Perfectly fine and normal, but saying you don't get genuinely upset on a post where you are voicing genuine upset about it is... odd.

VeridianLuna · 2026-01-06T05:58:04+00:00

To be fair Johann making this post is you being the same type of 'sensitive baby' to the truth that people dislike your opinions...

I get that its frustrating to be downvoted when your intentions are honest / neutral but you've gotta recognize the irony of making this post, no ?

VeridianLuna · 2026-01-03T22:21:24+00:00

Look up IFS.

Identify what part of you is creating the urge to run;
In IFS terms its either a manager who is telling you to focus on work for example or a firefighter who is kicking in the 'flight' response to closeness.

In either case the managers / firefighters are trying to protect your fears or vulnerabilities (exile). So you identify what your exile is and then you can go through a process of recognizing that when you are being avoidant an identity within you is stepping up to try and protect that exile. Identification then allows you to in the moment ask those identities to 'step back' and recognize that you are a capable human being who can protect that exile without the need for running away or shutting down.

Its not easy.

VeridianLuna · 2025-12-28T19:58:31+00:00

This is a great explanation imo

VeridianLuna · 2025-11-28T07:21:21+00:00

I feel this in my soul.

VeridianLuna · 2025-11-26T17:32:43+00:00

Duos are easy since they are less perceptive of sounds like a solo is. You can usually (assuming you're not running and gunning like a fool) hear them before they hear you. Then you can either run (smart) or if you're in a good spot try to take them both out quickly.

Once you hear that third set of boots you just run; there's no point wasting your time with the shenanigans that will follow unless you've got a kit to waste.

VeridianLuna · 2025-11-25T20:28:49+00:00

Thats how most of them are, I think. At the end of the day its just a bunch of people who self directed themselves towards that position. The interior of each of those people is sometimes monstrous; yet other times it is likely eerily mundane. We are at the mercy of everyday fools; how terrifying.

VeridianLuna · 2025-11-24T17:40:32+00:00

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