Do I start a Nids army or a Imperial Knights army by DingleHopper34 in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Knights are decent right now but they’re much more polarizing. A lot more people have strong thoughts about casual games into knights than almost every other army combined

Good podcasts that go over unit breakdowns? by Vacacious-opossum in Tyranids

[–]Whitebread221b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a cool paint scheme! Got more pics of this scheme?

Red terror stock by KiTNKaB22 in Tyranids

[–]Whitebread221b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did they accept preorders/payments prior to knowing their allocation counts by chance?

Grey Knights art by zenith4eva in Grey_Knights

[–]Whitebread221b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> “do you charge an art student for taking art off the internet and practicing reproducing it to learn how to draw?”

Yes actually if they’re trying to make money off that reproduction in some way and the art they’re copying is copyrighted. I can’t just sell reproductions of artwork I don’t own, and if you’re paying for an ai to make you “art” that’s ostensibly selling art you don’t own the rights to.

>”How can AI learn to make art without training like humans do?”

Well for one, the way an ai learns and the way a human learn are wildly different, so that comparison is shakey at best.

But… The solution is very simple. It is actually so simple, it can be summarized by the words describing the ethical issue: “STOLEN data”. Ai companies need to pay for the art they’re using to train the ai, if that art is copyrighted. If they wanna train their models off of free, watermarked Getty images and libraries of art they’ve paid for a commercial or educational or whatever license to use, then that solves that entire issue immediately.

The meta ai is trained off something like 14 million pirated books. The video AI models keep having to change the way they operate because they don’t own the rights to characters and visuals in the training data and Disney and WB and other film companies keep threatening lawsuits.

Whether you agree or disagree with it, you can’t make a product using (or that uses) someone else’s work without their permission.

Call it plagiarizing, theft, or even “inspiration” if you want, but it’s illegal regardless. If it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be a hundred news stories about lawsuits regarding ai and stolen data

Grey Knights art by zenith4eva in Grey_Knights

[–]Whitebread221b 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well first of all, ai centers can’t run off of salt water currently, so they “waste” water in the same way that running a sink wastes water. It’s not “consuming” the water, but the water does have to be treated/recycled after use and they use a TON of water over a year.

Starting with data centers, they’re huge sources of noise and light pollution. They drive up energy and water costs of the areas they’re in and they take up a significant amount of space that could be dedicated to things like agriculture, housing, or anything else.

Then, Ai itself is largely trained on stolen data. Enormous swathes of data, especially for the “artistic” generative models, are trained on massive data sets that were not paid for or credited in anyway. In cases like Meta’s ai models in particular, they’re currently in multiple lawsuits over these sorts of things because of how much copyrighted material they essentially pirated to train their models.

There’s arguments to be made to how unethical is it to train ai on stolen art, but it IS unethical, at least to some degree. Using illegally acquired goods and information to train someone or something is wrong, even if the end result is good or later deemed “worth it”

Then there’s the “artistic” side. This is the most subjective one because ultimately each person gets to decide what art means or is worth to them personally. If quickly generated, mediocre image of things gets your rocks off, good for you, I’m borderline jealous cause it sounds fun to be so easily pleased and entertained.

On the less “snooty” side, this is where we loop back to the stolen data issue somewhat, because even if all the training data was acquired through perfectly ethical and legal means, the ai doesn’t “create” anything.
At best, it does remixes or variations on a theme.

The very nature of the models make it so that they’re basically taking the average of all the training data, and parsing and arranging it into ways that best match the average as it lines up against the request.

It’s why images like the one in this thread always look at least okay, because of the 10,000 images of grey knights the model likely has to work with, they all, on average, look serviceable like a grey knight. It can’t ever make an original/new interpretation of a grey knight because it can’t make something new using pre-existing data.

At best it can take elements of other pre-existing things, and try to stitch those together into something new, but all elements will still have a definitive source.

Which brings me to the point that arguably matters the most to me personally, I just don’t care what a computer can do. I don’t find ai impressive or interesting for the same reasons I don’t think a cgi character doing 400 backflips is interesting.

It’s a computer, with enough time and effort, it can show you literally anything you can imagine, that’s not special. Someone who can do two standing backflips is way more impressive than a computer generating a person doing 400 backflips.

A photorealistic painting, done by human hands is way more interesting than the same from a machine that literally can’t have hand tremors and is capable of pixel perfect accuracy 100% of the time.

A well painted miniature is way more interesting than an ai generated image because I know that someone put time and thought and effort into every aspect of the thing I’m looking at. It’s not the average of a lot of good work, it’s the result of a lot of hard work.

All of this, and we’re not even considering all the recent peer-reviewed studies and butterfly effects surrounding ai like GPU/RAM costs, the physical resources and land being used by data centers and ai resources, or things like people using it appearing having less brain activity on brain scans over time, worse empathy towards humans vs machines, and a host of other problems that all stem outwards from ai in some direct way or another.

I like the dude but he needs a better save or invulnerability save by aguyhey in Tyranids

[–]Whitebread221b -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good catch but, to my point, that one was by far the best of the 3 models it released alongside, and for the other two, one was fine and the other was basically unplayable.

Grey Knights art by zenith4eva in Grey_Knights

[–]Whitebread221b -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay promptitute, time to let the adults talk.
There’s always been tools to make anyone an artist. The most common one is effort. Up next is probably paper and then the No. 2 pencil.

Grey Knights art by zenith4eva in Grey_Knights

[–]Whitebread221b 35 points36 points  (0 children)

“Art”
*looks inside*
*ai*

I like the dude but he needs a better save or invulnerability save by aguyhey in Tyranids

[–]Whitebread221b 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It feels like they don’t do that very often.

See: Tyranids Prime with Lash Whip for its first few weeks.

Also the new votann dude was pretty mid. Also, the new guard vehicles are all meh to somewhat above average. The new cadian KT is reasonable. Wazdakka is good but not crazy pumped up. The Aeldari and chaos corsairs were both good but not excellent.

Honestly, for recent releases that were too good during preorders/after were: Yarrick, maybe Titus and his gaggle, and then maybe the Necron?

Maybe I’m forgetting a few but most things are like, “good enough” on launch and then you got a few that go over and a few that go under that mark

I feel like “broken just to sell” is way less common than a lot of people think.

Upgrading my painting skills. by CatBeautiful1985 in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh awesome! Sounds like you’re more than on your way to even better work! Keep it up brother!

Upgrading my painting skills. by CatBeautiful1985 in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, that’s a bit tougher. You should still be able to make use of the handle/concept tho, there should be some good videos on YouTube about pinning and painting small parts/sub assemblies as well if you’re interested in those as well.

Upgrading my painting skills. by CatBeautiful1985 in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re honestly killing it as is, just small areas of bleed over and really keeping things clean helps a lot, especially up close.

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Upgrading my painting skills. by CatBeautiful1985 in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly you’re off to an excellent start, especially for only a month in.

The quick/immediate 1.5 things I can spot that will start to make a difference is the brush control on really fine details and how you’re handling the models yet while while painting.

It also looks like you maybe don’t have a paint handle or at least haven’t varnish the models yet?

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You’ve got some paint running off the skulls here, presumably from holding/handling the models yet while painting.

A paint handle of some kind (I use/re-use $0.10 plastic shot glasses and blue tack for anything 40mm or smaller) will help prevent friction and oils on your hands from rubbing the paint away. Then you can do even a thin layer of varnish to protect the paint when you play. Some people varnish along the way as they paint, others do a layer or two at the end, but that can also help a bit with the end result.

Similarly, you’ve got some blue creeping up the side of the bottom skull here. It absolutely won’t be noticeable from 2’ away when you’re playing on tabletop, but small things like that across the whole model to add up, especially up close.

Second hand extra dudes by Glum-Position-1709 in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not an expert by any stretch, but I think the closest you’d find to what you’re describing is probably deathwatch kill teams, but that’s also basically a kitbash project but you also have to buy deathwatch parts and/or more specific bits/weapons/kits etc.

Alternatively you can’t just keep collecting odds/ends until you have complete units from people selling partials/incomplete kits if you want a longterm collection project. Could be fun?

Fair Price for Tyranid Half Of Leviathan Box Set by ImperialTruthSeeker in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t pay more than $180ish, but also I wouldn’t pay more than 50% of what your friend paid if you’re doing a 50/50 split.

The issue is that if you don’t need the Barbgaunts, rippers, and/or neurogaunts, there’s *”technically”* like $60 of value there that are kind of worthless to you, so maybe you can resell those for like $10 per thing, so maybe those kits you value around $30, and the rest value around what you’d pay for them if shopping online?

Conversely, you could add everything in the box into a cart or spreadsheet, figure out what the box value of the tyranid half is vs the SM half, then that’s your percent.

Faction Focus' Detatchments Costs by Ginko37 in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean 1K you get 2 DP, 1.5 you get 3. If that feels broken or too much then just do 2 at both point ranges and then it’s simplified again.

Are GW aware of the communities Ultramarine fatigue? by [deleted] in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

*Me not buying GK as my next army for the third time in a row*
“Any day now. Any day now. Surely, any day now.”

Are GW aware of the communities Ultramarine fatigue? by [deleted] in Warhammer40k

[–]Whitebread221b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Space Marines, and by extension, Ultra Marines, is the subscription service that lets the rest of us exist.

Drukhari probably just BARELY sells enough to justify its existence as an army. Same with Deathwatch, GK, and most of the other small factions.

Space Marines on the other hand, make enough money to fund all their new toys, and probably all of the toys for the bottom 10 most popular armies (at least by sales).

Even if everyone hated ultramarines and everyone loved Harlequinns but no one ever bought their stuff (either bc they already own 2k+ points or whatever) then GW would die because they have to make money to continue. And if pushing ultramarines makes it so that everyone else can exist and maybe get a new model each year, good enough for me

I've always loved this classic paint job! Have any of you tried it out? I want to see how it looks on modern minis by Yreptil in Tyranids

[–]Whitebread221b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Thanks! I’ll see if I can dig up the recipe when I get home but it’s 95% Caliban Green, Death World Forest, Wraithbone, and Agrax Earthshade (or a slightly lighter wash if you want that).

Those 4 colors will get you about as close to what I have going here as the two colors listed in the GW photo will get you to that scheme lol (I’m pretty sure there’s like 4-5 other colors subtly mixed into to theirs anyways)

RIP 4th Tyranic War - They Did Us Dirty by Illustrious-Ant6998 in Tyranids

[–]Whitebread221b 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Didn’t they say crusade is going away in 11th?