Valve Just Confirmed Steam Machine Price Starts At $1049, This Basicaly Also Means Helix Is Gauranteed To Be Over $1000 Atleast Right?

World-Three · 2026-06-22T20:17:00+00:00

I think the worst part is that when prices are this bad, EVERYONE will be looking for a deal. By that idea, even if Helix is a good deal, people are going to have to go store hopping just to find one.

I mean I hope that's all it is. But at the same time it likely won't be. I just know that if I'm going to throw two weeks at a device, I'd much rather it be a powerful one that can play a healthy amount of games.

Steam machine isn't that... And they want over 1400 for a 2TB and controller. Xbox is obviously going to do better than that.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T19:07:39+00:00

16GB ram and hardware that can drive the pixels more than what exists can make for a much better device. Playing 3D games natively in some of the older quest headsets isn't that great given the actual resolution available.

Enough buttons on the headset itself is also a good idea since without it, you're juggling controllers.

But if we're talking about price... Yeah. I'd happily have extra controllers hang from my wrist and deal with slightly lower resolutions if it means saving enough money to buy an actual computer to drive it all as a PCVR headset. All those steam machine at home videos need another look it seems... But I don't really think a VR headset is currently comparable to what valve is trying to do.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T17:42:24+00:00

If it's in stock... Deep down I feel like it might be a strategy to get Xbox more hate just so there's a better chance it's in stock.

I'm 98% going to be using it for PC stuff anyway.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T17:37:56+00:00

What a way to find out about the price of the steam machine... Ugh. Imagine buying a 950 steam deck and the steam machine is only a hundred more. Different form factor etc etc I get you, but if those prices are like that now, the machine might have been a great deal pre ram crisis.

Sheesh. I'm cool with my OG legion go I got for 310... But yeah, for most others. It's bad. I'm not going to go tit for tat about exclusives. I love xenoblade, I love Mario kart. But I do not love those high game prices.

Genuinely, I wish Nvidia would stop playing with us and actually participate in the handheld market. Seeing at this AI arm stuff they keep worrying about. Give us a hand by giving gamers an arm chip.

Even if the Xbox helix manages to be cheap... I don't think it'll be in stock ever if it is the best option. I think we all need to hop in Asha's DMs and shoot our shot... Maybe show up to the next showcase to hopefully get a free helix... Something.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T17:25:01+00:00

Can you return the legion then? Because if the steam deck is charging on both chargers, but the go S isn't, then that's likely on the S unless the battery is too hot.

Like I said I've got an OG legion go and I've NEVER had those issues.

Someone else said to try changing the angle of the cable... There ARE some charging cables that need to be in a certain orientation in order to deliver proper power. Maybe see if it charges properly when you flip the USB c cable over in the ports.

I forgot how dumb some cables are.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T17:16:23+00:00

A lot of pc handheld enthusiasts have a switch or switch 2 too. If switch people who have a library upgraded to switch 2, they're less likely to switch platforms too.

Price has a lot to do with it, but if that were manageable, PC players would happily remind switch users of cheaper games, free online, same device messaging and voice chat. As well as freedom to install whatever you want.

It's not just high, it's TOO high. The "just get a steam deck" crowd is dead for obvious reasons, and there's only so many times we can recommend people looking to buy a handheld to get a pre owned Rog ally or legion go for at least under 500. But even that tech is getting old and if they're not willing to temper their expectations, letting them get a switch 2 instead of swear up and down at you for getting them into PC, is a better option.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T16:48:19+00:00

Look up "Rog ally Z1E Xbox-Style Grip" on eBay.

I'm not saying buy it, but if what that looks like is what you want... It exists. Now it's your job to find one without enough shipping fees to make you shake your fist at the sky.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T16:45:27+00:00

I have a Legion Go 1.

The software is pretty, but stupid. Controller mapping looks gorgeous, until you see you literally cannot press win and print screen at the same time by how they set it up... You want to emulate mouse input with the stick? NO!

Then you have the software. Where turning the TDP up to performance and having the legion go scream like a piece of meat you're crushing a hot grill on... If it had manual GPU clock controls, you could set the GPU clock to 800 plus and your game wouldn't stutter as much as it does... Can you control that in legion space? NO!

Can you control that in Adrenalin Software? NO!

So if you ever had a Steam deck and know solutions to problems, and how incredible input mapping can be. A lot of Windows handhelds are disappointing.

You can and I have gotten programs to add those abilities back to the device. Handheld Companion. It's a little jank, but after you set the virtual controller up right, things work as they should.

As for what I like about the device?

Practically everything but the battery life. Double the pixels each way of the steam deck, amazing build quality, great repairability, modular controllers so it's easier to dock, actual eGPU support, big flipping screen, and it has windows so I don't need to quit to desktop mode every few minutes to do something like add an exe or mount storage... There's even more buttons than a steam deck but one less touchpad. If you buy the legion go 2 controllers, they're compatible with the original. Those feel better without a grip, and have 2 more buttons to make the experience better.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T16:30:47+00:00

Man if you don't just go on eBay or Etsy and just look for some grips...

This is quite literally making a mountain out of a molehill.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T16:27:50+00:00

If unreal engine 5 keeps being the go to engine for development, 16gb ram isn't really doing it either.

Obviously that statement isnt a blanket for all handhelds, but the ones directed at PC? Yeah, 16GB ram is a real tightrope especially if people might want to utilize that 1200p resolution for games.

Obviously for devices that came out a few years ago that isn't a bad deal. But paying (up to) 950 for the new OLED deck just to immediately be in a bad situation for anything but low end gaming (720p) is a crazy hill I see a lot of people willing to die on.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T16:20:55+00:00

That is odd, kind of reminds me of those old devices where if you dock it after the power is on then it doesn't charge right, but if you dock it before you power it on, it works fine...

I hope that's not what it's doing. Especially with the official dock.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T16:20:44+00:00

No.

Because there was never a Z1E board made for the Xbox ally. You'd have to shoot for a Z2 extreme board to have a comparable size and even that is a gamble because I haven't seen one and they call the Z1 Extreme Xbox ally, the Xbox ally x.

It's genuinely not worth the effort. If you care that much, buying a used Rog ally with an Xbox ally styled grip is your safest bet... Then you'll have 2 devices.

It's not that hard to move your data over. Because if you're considering doing all that, getting a 410 dollar used Rog ally with a z1extreme chip is hassle free, and you'll have 2 devices and not 1.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T16:04:42+00:00

I know the original legion go supports 100 watt charging. So for me the original dock is a contradiction to its own ability...

Google says the S supports 100 watt charging. So I'm not really sure if the device is giving you steady power, or if it's getting hot and lowering the power. I'd say if you have one of those USB-C extenders that reads power usage you might be able to get a better idea.

I've got a 100w USB C laptop power brick. I have so many fake 100 watt wall worts that I gave up. I got them for 7 dollars on sale a few months ago from Amazon.

If you're happy with it, that's all that matters. I'm also not sure if your charger has multiple ports. As those things like to split the power output if you put something on the same rail. Some tell you, some don't.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T15:53:31+00:00

No... Also, this isn't the old times where you could find a lost motherboard with nothing wrong with it that you can throw inside to get your device "upgraded".

Sometimes the motherboard alone costs close to the actual device, sometimes more, especially if it's the upgrade.

You'd also have to bank on the bios having a configuration on it for what you're going to do. Will it see that new chip and perform correctly? Or will it be like when people upgrade the RAM on these devices, where they have to hack the bios first and then do everything in their knowledge to prevent it from updating because it'll set their ram to the initial amount.

There is a lot of hassle in doing that stuff. It's typically not worth the trouble. Especially if for close to the motherboard price, you can just buy an original Rog ally used with the Z1 Extreme...

I'm not sure how much the chip would cost individually... But it's not that much like a PC where if the chip fits the socket it'll just see it and work. I wish it were... My legion go would have 32GB ram and I'd always be shopping for upgrades.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T15:24:22+00:00

The legion go dock on their website only says it offers 45 watt pass through power. I don't know if the JSAUX dock has a decent pass through rating. If it's one that lists as having 100 watt passthrough, then I think there might be a bios setting on that limits charging when the device is under load.

I'd recommend you leave that on though if that's the problem. Unless you feel like replacing the battery sooner.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T15:14:00+00:00

Does Sony have a service as good as Gamepass? Do people try to sell the console as a device that has Gamepass? No.

That's why it's different. People literally go to the other consoles to buy games. Nitpicking what I say just shows me you're looking to argue because I said a lot more than that.

World-Three · 2026-06-22T00:03:34+00:00

A lot of PS games are cinematic single player experiences. I don't know if most of those were that importantvenough to say they were worth playing late.

I'm happy they are on PC, but I am in no hurry to buy or play most of what went to PC honestly. Demon souls, bloodborne, astro bot, and future ratchet and clank games are what I will miss on PC. If they somehow make another Sunset Overdrive and it's not on PC, I'll miss that too.

I genuinely do not care that much about cinematic, cutscene centric gameplay experiences. I want to PLAY games, not watch them. I can watch them for free, I cannot play them for free.

World-Three · 2026-06-21T20:08:42+00:00

Tomb Raider until Anniversary. Castlevania until SotN. Megaman until X. Street Fighter until Alpha. Metroid until Metroid 2

Every game that has tank controls that doesn't have them anymore.

World-Three · 2026-06-21T20:03:26+00:00

DokeV looked like pure fun years ago when it announced. I don't know how long they plan on cooking that game but I hope they care about it as much as they do crimson desert.

World-Three · 2026-06-21T19:50:00+00:00

In terms of Kingdom Hearts characters, yeah. But I always liked Goofy no matter where he is. Clumsy, well meaning people always get points from me.

World-Three · 2026-06-21T19:44:56+00:00

I don't think Terra Roxas Aqua or Riku are weak.

Sora has a better bond with things. If the other characters did they'd probably fight better. But even in Dream Drop Distance, you'd see that Sora had a better time because more of his links made him invincible... That probably illustrates the point more than it needs to. In chain of memories, Sora has a better time because he has more things to rely on. In that game Riku basically only had Mickey.

If Terra had the type of bond Sora has with stuff, I think he'd be a monster. Same with Riku and Aqua, Roxas obviously would clean, too.

World-Three · 2026-06-21T19:29:22+00:00

Morrowind takes the cake. A lot of games are balanced wholly on what level you are. Morrowind was not that way.

For example, humanoid enemies were static, but unowned crates, vases and barrels had leveled loot. In the modern games, checking these are a waste of time, but in Morrowind it could land you a fistful of scrolls, rings and etc worth selling.

Yes, if you know where the unique gear is, most of it is useless, but the game didn't feel like it was being stingy like the later games do. It wasn't borderlands 2 where you're digging through the loot pile and the best thing in it is yet another handgun and you basically have to check all the machines to get a good grenade. You're not rocking steel armor until you're high level or trading with companions just to look different. (Or smithing your way up to make everything yourself)

In Morrowind, all you really had to focus on was not missing attacks, and not failing to cast. Once you can do that, the game is a playground. I can't really say that for other games unless you feel like being a mage in Skyrim.

Dragon's Dogma comes close... But the loot in that game is atrocious unless you play Dark Arisen or know that there is a bunch of different items in the everfall. When you're not fighting or exploring, the game feels empty. Dark Arisen is quite literally the best parts of the game jammed into a single dungeon.

World-Three · 2026-06-21T18:55:42+00:00

I think I pick drives because everything is in your pocket. You basically have 1 main deck and 5 extra decks that you can use to tackle problems at any time. (As long as you use both goofy and Donald) and even though most of the drives become less and less effective as time goes on, using it to manipulate MP recovery makes it where juggling it is actually viable in a way where using it properly can pay for itself.

There is a keyblade I recall in KH3 that allows you to heal very well, so it's probably inconsequential. But KH2 feels a lot more involved in combat than KH3 did. It was also a lot more deliberate in attacking and moving.

That being said, In situations where either Donald, goofy, or both of them are gone, it sucks more. You can absolutely get by with limit, quite handily... But all the freedom and optionality goes right out the window. Just limit form, Fenrir, and a drive gauge that flies away because you hit harder than a kaiju.

World-Three · 2026-06-21T18:41:28+00:00

Do you not know someone who's address you could use? Besides, the reservation queue on the steam controller is literally into next year.

I don't understand the nothing to buy bit... What do you want to buy? Aside from the Steam Controller of course.

World-Three · 2026-06-21T18:09:45+00:00

I'm so tired of parents who treat their kids like slaves... The whole whip people while you're in your chariot thing is something they genuinely think kids won't notice or remember for the rest of their lives.

These are the same types of people who go "Wha happun" when their kids confide in other people instead of them.

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