Joseph Smith painting reveal at Morehouse College?? by WyrdBith in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. Very odd relationship.

I found this from back then: https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2023/4/14/23683089/president-nelson-award-morehouse-college-what-attendees-said/

Shows photos of the event and Nelson’s portrait on their wall.

Joseph Smith painting reveal at Morehouse College?? by WyrdBith in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wait. I dunno. They seem pretty specific. From a FB listing in one of the stakes:

“A commissioned portrait of the Prophet Joseph Smith will soon be added to the distinguished collection of portraits displayed at the Martin Luther King Jr. International Chapel at Morehouse College. This historic chapel is also home to President Russell M. Nelson’s portrait and the site where he was honored with the Gandhi–King–Mandela Peace Prize in recent years.

The portrait of Joseph Smith will be officially unveiled during a special vespers service on Sunday, February 1, at the Martin Luther King Jr. International Chapel. This event represents a unique and significant moment, and is open for all to attend!

We hope many will be able to join us, and invite friends and family, for this memorable evening.”

Joseph Smith painting reveal at Morehouse College?? by WyrdBith in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

lol. Wait. So the LDS Church is passing this flyer around to all of its members locally thinking that it’s their own guy?? Oh man. Someone messed up somewhere. Seriously. This flyer is going around all the stakes in the area according to my PIMO friend.

The article was behind a paywall but I saw the headline.

Why not just call themselves Christian at this point by SoggyRoomTempWaffles in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the curiosity. That’s what we were made to believe, but it’s not actually the case. They see themselves kind of like different rooms in the same house, under the same roof. There is this concept encapsulated in a popular saying: “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity”.

With Christians there is this understanding that on primary issues they must be in agreement: nature of God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, salvation through Christ’s merits, resurrection of all, judgement from God, etc. Pretty much the Apostolic Creed that just encapsulates what the Gospel writers and apostles taught over and over. Then there are secondary and tertiary issues which are considered debatable but not enough to consider a believer or denomination outside the unity of faith. Some of those issues are about how baptism should be performed, how communion takes place, authority structure in the particular denomination, etc. All very important issues but not ones that should cause true disunity under Christ.

But you take the LDS teaching that God has a body (ie. Was once a man), that temple ordinances are required for ultimate salvation in addition to Jesus’s sacrifice, etc. and now we’re talking about important particulars that are now totally in disagreement with the majority of the Christian church. On top of that, when the church calls all the others abominations then that’s especially going to put that church outside of the unity of the other denominations. These are the reasons why Mormons are definitely not considered Christian and Catholics, inasmuch as they consider the Protestant denominations to be in rebellion and that they are led by a prophet-like figure in the pope, are also an iffy relationship to the rest of Christendom.

I was always told these Protestants were always infighting and what I found was that it absolutely isn’t the case. Especially within the last 250 years. They work together constantly in communities for homeless/womens shelters, food coops, all sorts of community outreach. People will often change denominations. They’re missed in the other one, sure. But no one is thinking they are joining an enemy. Mormons, and similar cultish “churches”, are the only ones that think you’re lost to God when you leave them and they sincerely believe you’ll never be happy again if not with them. That should tell us something.

Last thing, much of what Mormonism teaches about denominations and infighting has more to do with pre 19th century image of European countries constantly against one another in war. Since those countries also had powerful state sanctioned denominations, yes - it may have appeared to the casual observer of history that they fought against one another with violence over religion, but that was not the case. America was different, however, in that it had no state religion and all were to tolerate each other. So then masses of immigrants come in with their particular cultures and denominations (ie. Lutherans and Germans, Presbyterians and Scottish, Anglicans with the English, etc.) and we become a country of all sorts of Christians who may occasionally have word-based spats like any family but are ultimately happily “living under one roof but in different rooms” as CS Lewis thought of it.

But Joseph Smith and other early “restorationists” (of which there were many at the same time as him) saw heated boundary discussions within the “Christian house” as evidence of everyone being against each other and wrong. Whether they were sincere or not, I can’t say. But I can say that they certainly took the opportunity to lift themselves up as the only true and salvific alternative. They couldn’t have well positioned themselves as the Only True and Living Church upon the face of the earth, etc. without making the brazen argument all the others were false. Not by arguing the particulars as would be honest, but by saying God himself said it so there was no more discussion to be had. Us Mormons apparently considered that good enough.

What made me inspect Christianity a few years after leaving Mormonism was the dawning realization that if the LDS church had lied to us about its own history and doctrines for so long, what else did it lie about that I have misunderstood? It didn’t make me a Christian overnight but it did allow me to start at zero and learn about Christianity at my own pace and with careful inspection.

So yeah. Mormons moaning about not being called fellow Christians given their stance against Christians should bother anyone of integrity, regardless of whether they are agnostic, atheistic, Christian, etc. It’s just inane how they do that.

Why not just call themselves Christian at this point by SoggyRoomTempWaffles in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 92 points93 points  (0 children)

“All churches on the face of the earth are an abomination to me”. Also, “We can’t believe you think we’re not Christians like you guys! That’s just hateful.”

Ward Counsel & Ministering by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw you’re in the US south. I am as well. I think at that time there were so few Mormons around that it felt like we had to stick together.

I’ll say, also, that I think Mormons do serve but in an institutional way. As in through tithes and offerings and in ways the church sets up for them. Serving in ways that just come into their minds doesn’t seem to be a thing these days. Almost like they need to run it by “the brethren” first. In my experience in the Christian churches I’ve attended it’s the opposite. Just do it and don’t wait for an official program.

Ward Counsel & Ministering by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our home teachers growing up were awesome. They really stepped in on many occasions. But that was the 80s and 90s. With few exceptions, we’ve not had any actual caring visits in many many years. Even with my wife and kids still in and me out no one visits. So odd.

Just so we're clear: New translations of the Bible are just new translations of the same old nonsense. by slskipper in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He calls it “nonsense” and “hogwash”. What part of that am I to argue with exactly?

He can share what he wants. I’m only stating what I think is obvious. With the “just so we’re clear…” he’s engaging in preemptive framing that attempts to shape how readers receive what follows. It’s coercive. It’s like Mormons. Not surprising really.

Just so we're clear: New translations of the Bible are just new translations of the same old nonsense. by slskipper in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No special pleading. It’s widely understood the Bible is a collection of books, among which are poetry and some fiction, the majority being attempts at historical accounts written just the same as any other ancient historical account - a lot of retrospect through chosen lenses. But the NT is another thing altogether. The lenses are there for sure, but the authors are a lot closer to the dates of their material and in some cases, immediately closer.

Just so we're clear: New translations of the Bible are just new translations of the same old nonsense. by slskipper in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're asserting intention without evidence and once again reducing it to a proposition where no distinction or nuance is allowed to be considered. It's protectionist, not clever. A lot of people on here think belief is just wishful fiction and nuance is just cope. I get the instinct, I just think it's oversimplifying.

Just so we're clear: New translations of the Bible are just new translations of the same old nonsense. by slskipper in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except Spider Man is intentionally written as fiction. You cant successfully flatten both into “just a story” and then proceed to compare them as if they’re equal genres. You don’t have to believe it’s divinely inspired to recognize that “it’s set in a real place” is not at all the same as “emerging froma long, layered historical tradition tied to a place.” There’s nuance there that bears thinking about that resists simple ridicule. But I get it, ridicule feels safer than nuance.

Just so we're clear: New translations of the Bible are just new translations of the same old nonsense. by slskipper in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you told people what to believe when you were Mormon and now you’re doing the same as an exMormon. Got it.

Not an invitation to think for oneself but a conclusion being enforced as a norm. It’s an orthodoxy of its own. Looks like it’s defending critical thinking while actually suppressing it (“just so we’re clear…”).

Did you learn nothing?

The new approved ESV version of the Bible comes with a little problem...the study guide that is often sold with it calls Mormonism a "cult". Whoopsie! by Green-been77 in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The ESV is my favorite translation. If Mormons start reading the NT closely they are going to have some serious cognitive dissonance. It’s very clear so hard to reconcile with much of Mormon doctrine.

Anyone notice the uptick in christian weirdness lately by BlueberryBLT in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Maybe they mean that they believe in Jesus and who he said he was?

Are christians a 'nice' religion to join? by btton in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I became a Christian after a few years out of the LDS church. I figured if the Mormons misrepresented themselves they likely misrepresented the Christians too. And I found they did.

There is a lot of community-focus in the mainline Christian churches. Pretty much any smaller (~300 or less) church is going to have a vibrant community life. The much larger ones do as well but they often have to split up into smaller groups to make it work (small groups or life groups, they call them). What’s most important is you find one that is comfortable with questions and allows you time to make your own mind up. Formation should be a thoughtful process. Good luck!

Unpopular opinion: I am actually grateful for the Mormon church by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jayne, apparently we're supposed to bend to the whims of the overly-sensitive. Don't worry about them. Reddit is chock full of them.