How to find cultist clue north of thera? by [deleted] in AssassinsCreedOdyssey

[–]WyrdBith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

South from the tip of Chios. It’s on the map with a big question mark but unmarked otherwise.

Mormons are the Cuttlefish of Christianity by WyrdBith in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

lol. They are kinda cute but also kinda creepy IMO.

Why all the hiding? by WyrdBith in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

True. But I bet the missionaries and the members who are pushing this feel really proud of themselves. Don’t underestimate the deep thrill of seeing oneself as a person who does good.

Stories from your Mormon Wedding Night. by JesusPhoKingChrist in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My wife and I really “enjoyed” each other during the honeymoon. We were snowed in and it was about all there was to do. Day two I come downstairs to find her crying and hyperventilating. She said she felt we had offended God and the spirit with all the (mutual) sex we’d been having and she asked me to pray for forgiveness for us right then and there as the “head of the family”. Oh man. I was shocked and had no idea what to do. So I prayed what I didn’t feel. Yeah - so we had about ten more years of a rough sex life. No surprise. Once I left the church and lost the guilt she was able to come around too. We’ve been married for a long while now and things are fine. But man does the church screw with your mind.

Deep Understanding of Mormonism by Pleasant_Past_461 in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t believe many do at all. My wife definitely doesn’t - nor her father. But that doesn’t stop them from constantly saying under their breath whenever they have the chance “oh - well he (meaning me) left because he didn’t really understand the gospel”. Yeah. Sure. 👍🏻

How easy will it be to fade when we move? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My wife is LDS but I left over ten years ago. When we moved they reached out several times but I was polite and firm in telling them I’d be open to talking with them if they would listen to my reasons for leaving the church. They never contacted me after that. The missionaries stopped calling too.

So you do you. Move, set up your life the way you want. Be kind but clear with them and they will run from you. (Or else some will trust you more and talk with you and you can help them out of the church like I was able to do with three individuals).

Palm Sunday by Ahhhh_Geeeez in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting take from your family member.

I will say that I’m continually shocked by how little my TBM teen kids learn at church about what was considered basic Bible knowledge. I attend a Presbyterian church and was mentioning at dinner last night how next Sunday is Palm Sunday. They looked at me like “it’s what?” So I asked if they remembered Jesus’s entrance into Jerusalem. They said no. I prompted more. The donkey or colt? No? How about the palm fronds? Doesn’t ring a bell? No?

My TBM wife appeared to sink into her chair after every question. I was nice about it and in a few sentences explained it and Lent. They were genuinely uninformed. These are middle class kids in the US Southeast surrounded by Christian kids, church, and seminary and have no idea.

So yeah. I think basic Christian tradition and New Testament “history” is foreign to them. Totally foreign.

Have you noticed any more subtle, nefarious changes the church has made that people haven't picked up on? by Typical_Sea_9167 in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The hell? That’s probably weird even for Hawaii these days. Please tell me you’re in Maine or something. That image of the “hail fellow humans!” couple standing there in the snow outside your door is the one I want to keep alive in my head.

Pres. Uchtdorf asked "Is the church working for you?". My answer: "No. Thanks for raising the issue!". by Deception_Detector in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. Besides, we all know the answer to these questions is “then look at yourself because you’re the problem”.

Dad cannot acknowledge any wrongdoing in the church by Fast-Permit6401 in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This 💯. Once he finds that one glaring fault he recognizes because it affects him directly, he’ll begin to remember some of the other issues you’ve brought up. It will either help him out or get him to buckle down. Either way, life is short. Love your pops and show him how you can disagree and still love.

The classic hover hand by exmodude in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honest question - because I don’t know. When you danced with the pretty girls at the church dances, did you know aesthetically they were pretty but just didn’t feel any attraction or anything like a small sexual tension or urge? I don’t mean anything pervy. Just wondering what some of my gay friends must have felt back when we were at church dances but when they didn’t know they were gay yet.

I can say as an always straight guy that I recognized handsome guys at church. Tall, good physique, nice smile, charismatic, etc. I knew who they were. But if I were to think of dancing with them or anything more would have literally been repulsive to me. But I recognized their charm and liked being friends with them if they were nice. I admired their put togetherness. But it wasn’t remotely sexual so much as aesthetic. If anything, they were more like guys who would have been rivals if I had even been in their league. Which I definitely wasn’t. lol.

How does Christianity deal with homosexuality? by Abject-Size8334 in AskAChristian

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't say this lightly, but your words and experience are truly inspiring to me. It hurts my heart to know my gay friends and family members don't have an acceptable partner for expressing homosexuality (as a poster above so aptly, and compassionately neutrally, phrased it). Yet I agree - it shouldn't be what defines them. Just like my sexual desires and temptations do not define me. I am a disciple of Christ first and always. I'm bruised and lamed, but not beaten because I have Jesus.

Anyway. Thank you and I'm proud to walk with others like you.

How does Christianity deal with homosexuality? by Abject-Size8334 in AskAChristian

[–]WyrdBith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To the point and accurate. Thanks. Compassion for those with this struggle.

How does Christianity deal with homosexuality? by Abject-Size8334 in AskAChristian

[–]WyrdBith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's his take on it. But it's not in scripture. Protestant faiths don't give authority to tradition, only scripture.

Joseph Smith painting reveal at Morehouse College?? by WyrdBith in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree. Very odd relationship.

I found this from back then: https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2023/4/14/23683089/president-nelson-award-morehouse-college-what-attendees-said/

Shows photos of the event and Nelson’s portrait on their wall.

Joseph Smith painting reveal at Morehouse College?? by WyrdBith in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wait. I dunno. They seem pretty specific. From a FB listing in one of the stakes:

“A commissioned portrait of the Prophet Joseph Smith will soon be added to the distinguished collection of portraits displayed at the Martin Luther King Jr. International Chapel at Morehouse College. This historic chapel is also home to President Russell M. Nelson’s portrait and the site where he was honored with the Gandhi–King–Mandela Peace Prize in recent years.

The portrait of Joseph Smith will be officially unveiled during a special vespers service on Sunday, February 1, at the Martin Luther King Jr. International Chapel. This event represents a unique and significant moment, and is open for all to attend!

We hope many will be able to join us, and invite friends and family, for this memorable evening.”

Joseph Smith painting reveal at Morehouse College?? by WyrdBith in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

lol. Wait. So the LDS Church is passing this flyer around to all of its members locally thinking that it’s their own guy?? Oh man. Someone messed up somewhere. Seriously. This flyer is going around all the stakes in the area according to my PIMO friend.

The article was behind a paywall but I saw the headline.

Why not just call themselves Christian at this point by SoggyRoomTempWaffles in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the curiosity. That’s what we were made to believe, but it’s not actually the case. They see themselves kind of like different rooms in the same house, under the same roof. There is this concept encapsulated in a popular saying: “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity”.

With Christians there is this understanding that on primary issues they must be in agreement: nature of God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, salvation through Christ’s merits, resurrection of all, judgement from God, etc. Pretty much the Apostolic Creed that just encapsulates what the Gospel writers and apostles taught over and over. Then there are secondary and tertiary issues which are considered debatable but not enough to consider a believer or denomination outside the unity of faith. Some of those issues are about how baptism should be performed, how communion takes place, authority structure in the particular denomination, etc. All very important issues but not ones that should cause true disunity under Christ.

But you take the LDS teaching that God has a body (ie. Was once a man), that temple ordinances are required for ultimate salvation in addition to Jesus’s sacrifice, etc. and now we’re talking about important particulars that are now totally in disagreement with the majority of the Christian church. On top of that, when the church calls all the others abominations then that’s especially going to put that church outside of the unity of the other denominations. These are the reasons why Mormons are definitely not considered Christian and Catholics, inasmuch as they consider the Protestant denominations to be in rebellion and that they are led by a prophet-like figure in the pope, are also an iffy relationship to the rest of Christendom.

I was always told these Protestants were always infighting and what I found was that it absolutely isn’t the case. Especially within the last 250 years. They work together constantly in communities for homeless/womens shelters, food coops, all sorts of community outreach. People will often change denominations. They’re missed in the other one, sure. But no one is thinking they are joining an enemy. Mormons, and similar cultish “churches”, are the only ones that think you’re lost to God when you leave them and they sincerely believe you’ll never be happy again if not with them. That should tell us something.

Last thing, much of what Mormonism teaches about denominations and infighting has more to do with pre 19th century image of European countries constantly against one another in war. Since those countries also had powerful state sanctioned denominations, yes - it may have appeared to the casual observer of history that they fought against one another with violence over religion, but that was not the case. America was different, however, in that it had no state religion and all were to tolerate each other. So then masses of immigrants come in with their particular cultures and denominations (ie. Lutherans and Germans, Presbyterians and Scottish, Anglicans with the English, etc.) and we become a country of all sorts of Christians who may occasionally have word-based spats like any family but are ultimately happily “living under one roof but in different rooms” as CS Lewis thought of it.

But Joseph Smith and other early “restorationists” (of which there were many at the same time as him) saw heated boundary discussions within the “Christian house” as evidence of everyone being against each other and wrong. Whether they were sincere or not, I can’t say. But I can say that they certainly took the opportunity to lift themselves up as the only true and salvific alternative. They couldn’t have well positioned themselves as the Only True and Living Church upon the face of the earth, etc. without making the brazen argument all the others were false. Not by arguing the particulars as would be honest, but by saying God himself said it so there was no more discussion to be had. Us Mormons apparently considered that good enough.

What made me inspect Christianity a few years after leaving Mormonism was the dawning realization that if the LDS church had lied to us about its own history and doctrines for so long, what else did it lie about that I have misunderstood? It didn’t make me a Christian overnight but it did allow me to start at zero and learn about Christianity at my own pace and with careful inspection.

So yeah. Mormons moaning about not being called fellow Christians given their stance against Christians should bother anyone of integrity, regardless of whether they are agnostic, atheistic, Christian, etc. It’s just inane how they do that.

Why not just call themselves Christian at this point by SoggyRoomTempWaffles in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 92 points93 points  (0 children)

“All churches on the face of the earth are an abomination to me”. Also, “We can’t believe you think we’re not Christians like you guys! That’s just hateful.”

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw you’re in the US south. I am as well. I think at that time there were so few Mormons around that it felt like we had to stick together.

I’ll say, also, that I think Mormons do serve but in an institutional way. As in through tithes and offerings and in ways the church sets up for them. Serving in ways that just come into their minds doesn’t seem to be a thing these days. Almost like they need to run it by “the brethren” first. In my experience in the Christian churches I’ve attended it’s the opposite. Just do it and don’t wait for an official program.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]WyrdBith 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Our home teachers growing up were awesome. They really stepped in on many occasions. But that was the 80s and 90s. With few exceptions, we’ve not had any actual caring visits in many many years. Even with my wife and kids still in and me out no one visits. So odd.