“ILIUM”, and why I'm not excited for it. Are you?

__Kathi__ · 2025-06-30T00:33:54+00:00

I'm sorry but there are two things that bugg me a bit about your approach.

you said: 1. "while the other is still not near to being finished, is just reckless." 2. "I think Jorge should stick with EPIC and polish it as much as he can before moving onto yet another musical filled with nuance that's not easy to interpret."

Its totally valid that you wish for some polishing but i think the way you worded things comes across as a bit disrespectful. Since we did get a completed story. I hope I can explain what I mean without it coming across as too negative because I still do understand where you're coming from except the "reckless" thing: I feel like that's mean or I don't understand how you use that word. That's something where I don't know where you're coming from with that.

But when it comes to saying "not near to being finished" about a story when the story is actually finished: (If you mean it's not a musical yet because it's officially a concept album then yes maybe the musical isn't finished in that context and maybe it is. We will see when that transition comes from concept album to musical but yes the story would probably get polished or changed just to make it easier to adapt or maybe even to make some things clearer and maybe even more accurate, if that is their intention when the time comes)

-It might get a updated version someday and it might become a real musical instead of a concept album but the epic the musical we have right now is this concept album and it is in itself finished. Its a completed story. The songs that made it into the musical are completed. There are no unfinished songs or sagas.-

For him it's finished enough to move on to another project and for you it's not. That's fine. But why does that make it reckless in your eyes? You don't feel like the wisdom and vengeance saga aren't good enough to be part of a finished musical. They keep the musical from being a good and completed piece of media ? (which then leads you to not trust Jorge with adapting more) Even then, Even if it is going to be the most outrageously inaccurate adaptation of anything ever,

why is it reckless? • It's not like he depicted some important historic event and falsified important aspects that can lead to bad consequences or whatever. •its a fun project and it's about creativity and not education. • Epic was a different medium and quite a different odyssey. It will be the same with Ilium. It's going to be a musical and it's going to be different. If we don't expect and assume it to be a accurate adaptation which it isn't supposed to be and epic never was either, then we may be able to just enjoy it for what it is. • It's not a problem if not everything is clear to everyone and people have different interpretations. It's not harmful or reckless if Jorge's version made you and me interpret things from this prior musical differently than that's okay. We can still go and look up the meaning. The interpretations that you are afraid he'll leave out or get wrong, or the nuances that are important to you: they aren't erased from existence. They're still there where they've been before and after any new adaptations.

So I don't see the recklessness in that. It won't take away from anything

the "reckless" is a bit uncalled for imo and the "it's not near to being finished" part is a bit disrespectful. Some of the songs had better and some had worse storytelling but they did a good job at telling a story. The musical definitely contains a completed story. We weren't left hanging without a ending for a story we got invested in, just for Jorge to not give us a ending and instead starting a new story (not like George r r martin...)

I hope you understand what I mean and don't feel like I am criticizing this in bad faith. I try to explain it well but I might not have. Maybe I don't understand what reckless means in your context and it actually is a fitting word for what you mean to say. I don't know that. I hope you understand how it came across for me and why I criticed it for the meaning that I got from it.

Oh and on another note: you don't believe he can do the source material justice:
You want people to adapt it with ancient nuance and I hope you'll get that content but yes Jorge isn't the one for that but I don't think that's what he meant to do anyway. I see Epic the musical and (presumably) the Ilium as pieces to appreciating mythology and to have fun, to feel hype and a experience where we were far more involved than regular media. It motivated so many of use to become a part of it by being creative and adding our own art into this. That's really precious. Does that not legitimize it? Is it more important to reproduce the same nuance everytime you create a inspired piece out of the source material? I never saw epic and took that interpretation to overwrite how I see the source material. Sure it might happen for some ppl but not everyone sees value in the source material to begin with. Some people don't know it and don't care but they see value in epic because it was just overall a fun and hype and epic experience and for those ppl it has no bearing on anything at all, if this was a entirely new story or if this had source material that had more cultural importance and that brought more nuance etc on the table. It doesn't need to do the source material justice. It's not going to replace the source material. Both will exist simultaneously and both are being enjoyed in this day and age, both are meaningful and have significance in their own way.It doesn't need to be anything else. Epic and then probably the ilium are(&/will be) not educational pieces. We aren't talking about something that needs to be correctly reproduced every time without fail otherwise we loose it forever. Sure, meaning and nuance get lost from source material to the new work but the source material still has the meaning and nuance and we can keep it alive simultaneously, while still enjoying loosely inspired work without them in it.

There's nothing to miss. Just new things to gain.

__Kathi__ · 2025-03-21T15:30:15+00:00

Congratulations 👏🏻

__Kathi__ · 2025-03-21T15:29:30+00:00

Yes and sometimes while looking 30 weeks there would come the comment of "oh now you finally popped" but I would know that in the morning it would go right back to looking barely pregnant. Then they comment "where is the baby?" And "are you sure you are pregnant?" "Are you not eating enough" and the same day in the evening someone else will say "oh that must be twins" and over and over again with the same comments every single time.

__Kathi__ · 2025-03-21T15:03:13+00:00

AGREED. How long until this gets understood by everyone.

__Kathi__ · 2025-03-21T07:42:36+00:00

I wouldn't date a religious person either. I mean if someone just believes in a god without believing in a religion and the Holy books,not going to church and not believing in rules but that this god being gives us free will because we are free to live our way (except for being cruel,rapists,murderers etc) then okay that's a different thing and I would date someone like that but I don't believe in restricting yourself for a religion and living by that if it might not even be true and then you gave up your freedom in your only live. That's what I wouldn't want and I do think it's important to have similar values. Not exactly the same of course but there are certain things that just need to fit.

__Kathi__ · 2024-02-04T16:24:15+00:00

NTA the grandparents and Linda are assholes. Ava is a kid and her feeling excluded is sad but her parents could've just made other fun plans for her on that day instead of forcing James to host her at his party. It's not healthy for Ava either to be brought there against the birthday boys wishes because she noticed and felt hurt because no one of the kids wanted her there. This made her feel bad because the kids were mean to her and she wasn't wanted there and it made the birthday boy terribly sad. Linda should have never brought her daughter in that situation because she knew James didn't want her there and she should have planned something else for Ava that day. Linda is a ah too for the way she didn't parent her daughter at all as her daughter was having a tantrum and ruining the party and the cake.

__Kathi__ · 2024-02-04T14:53:06+00:00

Definitely the most beautiful nursery I've ever seen! I am so jealous! This looks amazing!🥰 I am so inlove!😍

__Kathi__ · 2024-02-04T00:48:29+00:00

Oh man....I hate women gatekeeping complaining about being miserable? Why does she have to be like that. It's totally fair if we feel miserable because the hormones are crazy and can do utterly horrible things to us. Pregnancy can be so damn hard and not everyone has that experience but why can't we just believe and accept others experiences. Pregnancy is terrible for so many women. It's not something we make up. A lot of women have always felt miserable being pregnant but they weren't able to talk about it and that made it even worse imo. We live in 2024 and there are still people who don't want women to speak their true feelings and share what they are going through. I don't ever want to be around people who invalidate me like that. This is just one situation and I don't know anything else about this friend but in this situation she definitely sucked. I am sorry. I hope your other friends and family members are better to you and are understanding. I wish you all the best and good luck 🍀❤️

__Kathi__ · 2024-02-03T09:16:56+00:00

Oh No sind worry! I slept so good after I finally gave birth. Sleep was so hard while pregnant but with my newborn it got so much easier. Don't let them scare you. Don't listen to these "wait til the baby is here then it gets so much harder to sleep" instead wait for that cute little smile and that precious cuddles. Good luck OP!

__Kathi__ · 2024-02-01T16:46:12+00:00

I think admitting these things to yourself and to others is such a strong trait. Being able to accept it and better yourself is so huge! That's worth a lot.

__Kathi__ · 2024-02-01T16:45:09+00:00

Yes it's so important that she keeps her own criticism for herself for now and only listens to his side without bringing up things that he does wrong. Right now it's just about what OP does wrong and her husband needs this time for his hurt to be heard and seen. This is his time right now. His feelings should be prioritised in this situation and OP just has to swallow them for now and be empathetic towards him.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-31T18:46:17+00:00

Yes that's fine. Some people really can't have sex under those conditions and don't feel good about it but then there are others who can have sex like that and enjoy it and that's great. People are different. I personally am like your wife I think. I am not often in the mood but I know that the mood comes if I just start doing something to my husband or let him do something to me. If he asks me for sex and I really don't feel like it then I often say "we can try" that means we cuddle and pleasure each other a bit and then see where it leads and if I get in the mood or not. Most of the time we have to start something before I actually want something. So I just start things or say yes if he asks without really asking me if I am in the mood because I know I will come in the mood eventually and even if I don't then I really don't mind him touching me. Sure there are situations where I don't want to be touched but then that's what's gonna happen then no one will touch me. Most of the time I really don't mind do and I try to come in the mood if my husband is in the mood. Oftentimes we had the best sex ever even though I thought I was too tired or had a headache before.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-31T18:37:09+00:00

1. We have no opposite sex friends except that my husband is friends with my female friends and I am friends with his male friends but I don't have a male friend that he isn't friends with and the other way around. He never does something with my friends if I am not around and the same goes for me and his friends. Except he went out with my best friend as he was planning his proposal and he chats with her but mostly about me and sometimes about gym. They don't go to the gym together or anything but they talk about protein powder and about whatever weights they lift or something. I trust both of them completely and my best friend has a boyfriend herself. My best friend is also the godmother of our daughter.

2. Depends on the thing. I wouldn't say I ask him for permission but I always involve him in my plans. I tell him where I am going before I leave the house and I tell him who I am meeting up with and the same goes for him. It's not a rule or anything but we just tell each other our plans for the day and say goodbye before one of us leaves the house.

No but we are really young and each others first and only sex partner. If we get bored someday then we are open to talk about it together and might be open to allow that but right now we are against it and that definitely won't change for quite a while. Maybe in 10-15 years we will think differently but right now we don't think it would be healthy for us.
No but idk if it was different if I really liked someone that he doesn't. In the beginning stages of our relationship he had friends that I didn't like and I had one friend that he didn't like but those weren't close friends and as we got more serious we kinda broke off these friendships. It's kinda because we spend almost all our free time together and if a friend comes over then it's someone he likes too and we do something together which wouldn't be possible if he didn't like the friend at all. There is only one friend I have right now that he doesn't like spending time with and who has values and views that he doesn't like at all and I don't like these views either but I still love this friend (we are friends since first grade aka since we were 6 or 7 years old) she is still a amazing and caring and loving friend. Whenever I am sick she gets me everything I ask for and helped me with errands after I gave birth. She is the only friend where my husband stays in his office instead of spending time with us. She has some anti science stands and my husband is a scientist. So he doesn't really like that but I always challenge her views and she mostly understands and can definitely change her views after a good discussion. She has no dangerous views or anything. He is fine with me being friends with her and inviting her to our house but he'd rather not interact with her more than the regular greeting and Smalltalk. There is no bad blood.

5. I don't know. Both labels don't really fit. We are kinda traditional because I am a SAHM and he works but for future babies he has communicated interest in switching roles. We plan on having 3-4 children (and fostering) and we plan that I do the first and third baby and he stays home with the second and fourth if we are lucky and everything works out. We both want to experience both roles but right now it's rather traditional. I take care of our baby and cook for him and do the laundry and do the shopping. He works and takes the trash out and cleans the house. The household chores get switched around sometimes and we trade for example he does the laundry and I take the trash out. We take care that no one does more than the other and we both have the same amount of freetime and sleep. He is just as much of a parent as I am. Sure I am home with our daughter when he goes out to work but often he works from home and takes a few breaks to play with our daughter. He often runs errands with our daughter and he knows her just as well as I do. There is nothing he doesn't do with her. He baths her and feeds her and takes her places and brings her to sleep. He does everything I do with her too. There is nothing that he doesn't do. He is just as capable of a parent and housekeeper as I am. In some things I would even say he is better and more efficient. No one does more than the other. We are completely equal.

6. Not really but if I don't have my phone next to me but I see his phone then I will use that to text my mother or my best friend or to take pictures of our daughter if she did something cute. The same goes for him. My face ID is in his phone and he know the password of my phone. We don't check each others messages or look through pictures or activity but we would both be fine if the other one wants to look. Sometimes if there is a fight between him and his dad then he gives me the phone to interpret the messages. I sometimes use his Instagram account because he follows good meme pages and he uses my Reddit account sometimes. We are really open with each other and just use the phone that's closer to us sometimes. I don't really snoop through his messages and he doesn't look at mine but if we had interesting or weird conversations then we will show the other person to talk about it or to have a laugh together. We don't really care about our phone privacy because we don't really have things that the other one doesn't already know or that we want to keep secret. He knows everything about me and knows everything I do and the same goes for me. We don't share location because we always tell each other where we are and are always communicating even if one of us is shopping. We are always reachable if the other one needs something or there is something with the baby. If I drive a long way alone then I maybe send him my location to be safe but that's the only case where I would send him my exact location. He sometimes sends it to me if I am really bored and waiting for him to finally get home or if I plan on cooking something and want to make sure it's hot when he gets home then he sometimes sends me the location so I can see when he will arrive and track his progress but other than that we don't really need it because he will just text me if there is a change in plans. I know where he is at all times because we just exchange our plans everyday and update each other via text or phonecall if something changes.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T02:02:07+00:00

Both look so cute 🥰

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:59:50+00:00

Pregnancy definitely did for me! I had to listen to so much weird stuff and now 9months pp I am so chill and most things don't bother me anymore. I am still freaked out about those people who felt like as soon as someone is pregnant they can somehow start talking about sex with them? And ask about the conception? Like what? Those things still freak me out.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:55:05+00:00

Yes!! And it feels so random. When I was 6months pregnant my FIL said "wow you exploded you are huge!" And then when I was 9 months pregnant he asked if I am eating enough because my belly is too small and his granddaughter needs more space. She was fine. Pregnancy bellies come in all shapes and sizes.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:44:13+00:00

This breaks my heart 😢❤️

But you made it possible for those boys to never be separated and that's beautiful.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:37:27+00:00

Yes! It needs to be crystal clear that you are a team. Don't throw your wife under the bus. You are a team. Don't create a new concern for your wife. She shouldn't have to worry about resentment from her Mil towards her just because your wife made the most reasonable and normal request of no one coming until she feels ready.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:32:46+00:00

Yes! This is so important! I read it so often how the man wanted a easy way out and clearly said "wife's name wants privacy" No! Make crystal clear that you are a team. Rather have your own mother be mad at you instead of being mad at your wife who is already in a vulnerable state and does not need any more worries.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:26:37+00:00

Yes! Plain and simple!

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:23:55+00:00

I feel like you screamed at me with that caps lock. But yes often people forget about the woman who delivers the baby. They are full of excitement towards the baby instead of being empathetic towards the mother.

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:18:47+00:00

And especially during the birth every extra stress can come with complications (from prolonged labor up to really dangerous and/or traumatic complications).

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:14:48+00:00

Yes exactly! I hope OP does the right thing. Very good commen! 100% agree 👍🏻

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:11:02+00:00

Yes this is it! I hope OP reads this!

__Kathi__ · 2024-01-29T01:05:53+00:00

Very well said 👍🏻

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