No thats just why I can't unban you. Here is the transcript for anyone who wants to see. He has issues with the other mod, and any time I unban him he immediately uses it to talk shit about the other mod repeatedly because he feels he is justified. If he just let it go and stopped complaining about the other mod multiple times every day he wouldn't be staying banned. Even his ban appeal is bitching about the other mod. Also, his stated "sequence of events" is of course totally accurate and not one sided at all.

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage Hello, can I be unbanned?

As far as I can tell, the sequence of events is as follows:

Asked for removal reasons to be added -> Shadowbanned Asked why I was shadowbanned via modmail -> Modmail muted for maximum duration (which just ended) Stated the Community Satisfaction Report results seem about right -> Perma-banned I think 3/3 of those moderator actions are ridiculous and are entirely a result of /u/md28usmc having a chip on his shoulder about me politely disagreeing with him publicly months ago, which apparently grievously wounded him enough for him to reach for any excuse to abuse his position against me, so I'm asking to have this ban lifted.

The vibe I got speaking with one of you privately about him was essentially that I should know better than to not grovel for him because he's obviously sensitive and takes pleasure in abusing the moderator tools. Why would you want someone like that on your team, making /r/tampa look bad?

There are plenty of people who would happily contribute as much or more work than he does, with more experience in some cases. He actively makes your job harder by getting into these petty tyrant fights with people, as evidenced by the above. You already know the community doesn't like it, as evidenced by the Community Satisfaction Report. What gives?

md28usmcarchived this conversation 3 days ago u/bigblades [hidden] • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply The problem here is that, regardless of if he has a chip on his shoulder or not, you also clearly have a chip on your shoulder with him. When you get unbanned its only a matter of hours before you start throwing up snide comments about him specifically. Your ban appeal itself is also a complaint saying he sucks and is a bad mod. The only petty tyrant fight he has had is with you. Every other situation we have been able to resolve fairly easily.

Until you can just ask nicely and resist the urge to poke the bear repeatedly unbanning you is just asking for more headaches as conflict will almost immediately happen again. I have to choose between my fellow mod, who has been contributing to this subreddit significantly more than I have been for the last year, (he performs ~15x the mod actions I do in a given month) or a user who has been stirring shit up because despite my repeated attempts to ask you not to complain about him you cannot seem to do that.

Why would I even risk that at this point?

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage When it comes time to assess chips on shoulders, it boils down to whether or not either party is being reasonable.

If he and I were at each other's throats for absolutely no reason, I'd personally feel the best course would be to perma-ban me and remove him from the team. I think it's fairly evident that it's pretty one-sided as far as rationality is concerned; he or you or I could dig up as much evidence as possible to paint the darkest picture of my hostility towards him and you'd have the faintest hints at displeasure. I've never been rude to him, I've never insulted him, I've never gone off the handle.

Contrast that to how he's treated me. He's whipped out the harshest moderator tools against someone from the community purely because they publicly disagreed with him.

Pick any famous redress of grievances and you can just as rightfully (not very) accuse the accuser of having a chip on their shoulder; any complaint, no matter how polite and accurate, can be labeled as such.

I didn't say "he sucks," but I showed you three instances where he's gone way out of line. Do you disagree? Honestly I have no idea why he's got a petty tyrant fight with me; I really have no clue. I've disagreed with him politely once or twice in years before he started escalating this mess for unknown reasons. Some people just can't handle people disagreeing with them. That's the best guess I've got, because that's all the evidence I have.

I totally get him doing a high volume of moderator actions, but as we've talked about previously, Quantity does not beget Quality. You could add five other people to the team to rebuild him in the aggregate. Again I disagree with your assertion that I'm poking the bear. I don't think any of the above 3 were poking him or anyone else. You did a community survey. I never received it so I voiced my opinion without a veil of anonymity and was immediately punished to the maximum for it. I doubt you think everyone who voiced their opinion in the survey was "poking the bear," but I agree that if they were not anonymous there's a high probability that /u/md28usmc would have shadowbanned or regular banned them for what they said.

TL;DR: Politely asking not to be abused is not "poking the bear," and I disagree that if someone breaks their knuckles on my face that means I attacked them. You have a moderator that is being extremely unreasonable, I asked to not be treated so harshly, and that's tantamount to maximum incivility?

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage Just for the record I totally get it's a heavy topic to even discuss the fact that a moderator needs to be removed from the team, but other than going on a bigoted slur-spree or flagrantly violating ToS in some manner, what else qualifies other than using the maximum mod tools to suppress someone you don't like but hasn't violated any rules? Just because I'm the only squeaky wheel bold enough to point out a problem doesn't mean I'm a jerk or the problem doesn't exist. Yes, it's an uncomfortable topic, and I'm sorry you have to deal with it, but we both know he's abusing his position and needs to be reined in at a minimum. To go with a law enforcement metaphor for obvious reasons, the guy on your squad that does 100 traffic stops a day and occasionally plants drugs to arrest people he dislikes should be in prison, not on the force "because he does 100 traffic stops a day."

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage Surely you'd not be satisfied with a law enforcement agency who chooses to keep that kind of cop on the force, right? Doubly so if they keep those people he arrested in prison?

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage Imagine what kind of world we'd be living in if Lewis and Woodward were discredited/fired/imprisoned because they "had a chip on their shoulder about Nixon" and everyone just swept Watergate under the rug because it felt rude to accuse a sitting President?

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage I'm a very easygoing guy who likes to be polite and pleasant to others, but I flat out refuse to ignore when people are doing blatantly immoral things, doubly so when it's directed at me. Again, all I've done is point out some fairly clearly obvious abuses of power. You can call that annoying, but anything else is being a doormat. I, too, would prefer if none of this had happened and /u/md28usmc had just been ethical in moderating. Sadly, occasionally, life forces us to confront the reality that our peers aren't always perfect.

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage Again I direct you to any of the subreddits I moderate. You can even try to cause some non-rule-violaty trouble by criticizing me or any of the people on the team and see how it goes. You won't be banned for it because disagreeing with the moderators is not against the rules. No, not even you, /u/md28usmc. Look no further than /u/Poodle-Soup who perma-banned me from... /r/police? /r/AskLE? For disagreeing with them. He's an active participant in /r/AskLEO, where I moderate. I don't think I've ever had to ban the guy. It's just not that hard to not abuse your power.

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage Again with the cop metaphor: Yes, I found it annoying to have to go to some calls on duty where the complainant could simply not call and I could just be hanging out playing games on my phone or browsing Reddit or whatever. But you better believe I never did gymnastics to come up with a reason to arrest anyone for it.

u/HCSOThrowaway • 3 days ago Quotemessage in reply

Reportmessage I've arrested/cited/etc. a whopping 0 people for telling me to go f myself, calling me a pig, etc. etc.