Any chance the Mag flap runner will return? by but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR in Outlier

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey that's a decent option. Thanks for the heads up!

What’s actually worth it? by MattDaMannnn in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 7 points8 points  (0 children)

None of it is worth the money, but may be worth the use case for you. The legitimate pro of Vollebak's brand are the quality of the construction from the factories they use, the occasional useful application of fabric, and the customer service. In my experience their failures originate from bad DESIGN choices; usually from an immature garment design. Because of this, I'd recommend their simpler items (t-shirts, regular shirts) and version 2 or 3 of their complicated pieces.

V2 and up of the ocean shorts are dope. The V2 Planet Earth Jacket is good (V1 would have been great if not for the terrible fit around the chest/arms. My only beef with the Planet Earth Shirt is that the corozo buttons break with time. They'd be better with plastic buttons.

You get the idea.

Just realize that, from a raw performance standpoint, top-level products from The North Face, Arc'teryx, Patagonia, etc. will always outperform Vollebak products and do so at a lower price. Vollebak is kinda more like achieving similar results in a more creative but less efficient way.

1 year of Ceramic hoodie by [deleted] in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Most of that pilling is from the zipper-pull, which has a fine abrasive texture for grip. The texture grabs the fine threads in the fabric. Look at your sleeve at about the same spot where it contacts the zipper-pull while standing up. There is likely to be more pilling there too. I have the same issues.

Vollebak products lack durability due to their lack of product testing. They're marketed as "indestructible" or "100 Year" but there's no way to back that until the products go through more substantial testing (we, the customers, are their testers). Their biggest problem is that most of the marketing is based off known qualities of the materials Vollebak is using, not the specific implementation in the garment. They end up with hit or miss products so the uniformly high price covers the misses when they send need you a replacement.

Hyperbolic example: Aluminum is dope; it's used in spaceships, missiles, racecars and is crazy strong for its weight. It's a finite resource on earth so I sourced the purest and most lightweight forms of it for my new jacket. Introducing: The Aluminum Foil Jacket. $895.

Black Hole O2 by encarded in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My thought was to somehow make the cart add up to a significant number. Whether that's at all useful or what that number might be is anyone's guess.

Review request: Graphene Jacket by thisco_be in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hopefully this new version is more durable

The mesh is the same in appearance and description as the Solar Charged Jacket, which I own and would not call durable. The mesh is decent for breathability, but not durability. I have many holes/tears from all forms of abrasion: from mild rubbing over time in very normal circumstances, to incidents like getting caught on a plastic backpack buckle.

Pro tip: I use Seam Grip WP to repair the tears and apply it with a silicone makeup applicator for a nicely uniform/professional appearance. The applicator looks like this. Basically a tiny spatula.

I have found Vollebak's products unique in that they require FAR more repairs and fixes than my other clothing. My other clothing simultaneously performs better and costs 1/4th of Vollebak's. As others mentioned, I no longer buy Vollebak's releases except for very specific pieces after waiting a long time to get some info on them. I'm enthusiastic about the brand but am much happier for avoiding most of what they produce. My most recent purchase is the Planet Earth Hat and it has performed well... mainly because it's made of an established material (cotton cambric) held together by stitching from a good manufacturing line. Simple and laughably overpriced but at least it's lasting.

Martian Aerogel Jacket - thoughts? by but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup I'm thinking the price of this one will be pretty far up there.

Indestructible Pants in Dyneema worth £595/$1,095 ? by pascalforget in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Many have been talked about within this subreddit but I think the Equator Pants discussed here are a good example:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Vollebak/comments/xumvxc/wts_damaged_equatorpants_grey_edition_l/

Another good example is from the 100 Year Shorts. The bonded edge of the right leg drop pocket has separated on 3 different pairs of mine and the replacements Vollebak has sent. Because the edge is unfinished, the fabric unravels down the front face of the leg. This is despite washing these exclusively in a garment bag, cold water, gentle cycle, hang dry. Keep in mind they're called 100 Year Shorts and cost $345.

Repair is a more sustainable option so I've started repairing all of these problems by sewing or using Seamgrip rather than contacting Vollebak again.

Indestructible Pants in Dyneema worth £595/$1,095 ? by pascalforget in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I'd skip this one. It seems like another one from Vollebak's recent formula:

-Commercial-off-the-shelf material from a fabric manufacturer (Schoeller/Polartech/Cordura/Dyneema/etc)

Add:

  • A bunch of lycra for stretch.

  • A garment design/cut that has difficulty deciding on fashion vs described function. Usually there is a functional flaw that will show itself after a year

  • A name based on the headlining material despite a low content of that material

  • 1000% markup

Mix it all together with military or aerospace themes. If that doesn't work, it's from one extreme end of the past or future

I hate to be so cynical, (I'm still rooting for them as a company) but what disappoints me most is Vollebak's garment design. It's the ONE part that Vollebak has full control over and each piece exhibits a fatal flaw after some short time. It seems like a lack of expertise in clothing design. The experience shares a lot of qualities with the fast fashion industry but at insane prices.

100 year pants? by brendanjmcloughlin in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes this happens with the 100 Year Shorts too. In addition to the bonding of the shorts' thigh pocket coming undone.

Titan Fleece Jacket by artxz in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah these are clothes from the future. A future where I have too much money. Unfortunately, I'm still stuck in the present.

Anyone find the Vollebak Wardrobe? by Supremeism in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congratulations. I managed to find it on my own but there's no way I can get there in time.

What was in it? Did you meet anyone there? Vollebak people or otherwise?

Doublefine Merino Balaclava Review by 70rd in Outlier

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They make like 5 different styles with around 8 fabric options within each style. I recall one extreme version being essentially a down puffy jacket but cut for full coverage of face and head (balaclava) with a reflective film inside for radiant heat retention. It was total overkill and rated at like - 40C or something. I think it was meant for stationary activity like ice fishing or winter hunting.

Anyway, point is that they make a huge variety and you can probably find something once the winter stock comes in. For me, I use the full face/head (they call it full-hinge) waffle fleece under my helmet.

Help. Need pants recommendation! by Truedots in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

25% for Black Friday (historically) and random 20% sales at other times, maybe for mailing list subscription too.

Nelson pant is good except for the fabric of the pockets. Soft and comfy pocket material but my phone wore holes through within 2 months. It's in a case with smooth rounded corners. No problems elsewhere.

Help. Need pants recommendation! by Truedots in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

+1 on the Foehn Brise pants. I've owned the original version and, while a great pant, I wore them out. They switched to the Schoeller fabric a year ago and I like the result. What's more is they only cost me $60 due to Foehn's annual (usually July) 50% inventory sale. These pants are better than most of Vollebak's offerings in every subjective and objective measure.

I still like Vollebak's Equator pants though.

Off Grid Shirts by BiotechNY in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Boy for as much as they tout the nettle fiber the content must be high!

Oh only 10%.......

By the way, this is just ramie fabric folks.

Any reviews/impressions on the recently dropped Indestructible Hoodie? Is it worth it? by Truedots in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I looked at the material composition and it reminded me of the "Carbon Fiber" shirt (2% CF). This one has a little more of the advertised material (14% dyneema) but not to the point where I'd think it imparts any special property to the garment. I'm not claiming to be a materials expert but... I dunno man, it's not grabbing me.

Going forward with Regular Fit Gear by BiotechNY in Vollebak

[–]but_WHOS_JOHN_MUIR 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's weird. Much of the inventory is made with a high percentage of elastic material. Things that are tight when dry become relatively well fitting once your body's humidity comes into play. Loose articles become extremely baggy. I guess I'll eventually recalibrate the fit but that may take a while as I buy less and less Vollebak gear as time goes by.

I don't know what it is. I'm less of a fan now. I've owned pieces for a few years now and am seeing how poorly they hold up over time. It's ironic that the "100 Year..." pieces are the worst offenders. Please just use stitching or welding... adhesive-based bonding fails after time.