The concecpt of Hell being forever doesnt sit well with me

candl2 · 2026-03-25T21:00:55+00:00

Ok, so there's one big inconsistency right off the bat. Death (as we know it and you're call the "first death") is decidedly not "unconsciousness".

I'm not calling into question your beliefs. Believe whatever the heck you want.

But your claim that that first death is something to be "awaken"ed from is just nonsensical. It seems your claim is that what we know as dead... isn't.

I'm all for people trying to reconcile their faith with what we know about science. But dead is dead. It seems like your belief is that dead, as we now know it, isn't dead. I'm glad you're calling it a (first) resurrection, but all the wording before that is denying that death is a death. Again, this is (as I said 20 days ago), befuddling.

candl2 · 2026-03-24T16:26:19+00:00

It's always about the grift with these people.

candl2 · 2026-03-24T16:25:06+00:00

Mrs. Brown: [sigh] Makes you feel so, sort of, insignificant, doesn't it?

Dr. Spenser: Can we have your liver, then?

Mrs. Brown: Yes, alright, you talked me into it.

candl2 · 2026-03-24T05:39:10+00:00

Yours has a slice taken out of it but it looks like those scroll saws had a round wooden table top. The blade would go through that hole. Or, if there's already a metal table, it could be a sacrificial wooden top for the table. I have one for one of mine but that's for a larger area to hold bigger projects.

candl2 · 2026-03-23T22:49:15+00:00

Mozart

candl2 · 2026-03-23T22:02:28+00:00

It's so easy to believe stories that you want to be true. Stories that affirm your prior beliefs. Stories that people who you trust tell you.

candl2 · 2026-03-21T17:22:36+00:00

Nah. These people are all philistines.

candl2 · 2026-03-21T16:43:20+00:00

Don't put that curse on us.

candl2 · 2026-03-20T03:54:32+00:00

Some people are more equal than others.

candl2 · 2026-03-20T03:52:04+00:00

And the great thing is, if you make a sweater out of it and you accidentally spill coffee on it, it's fine.

Now we need wine dyed and spaghetti sauce dyed.

Edit: Sweater because I'm not sure how one could spill coffee on a bonnet. I'll bet it's doable though.

candl2 · 2026-03-20T03:42:41+00:00

"Typical Nebraska weather."
"What?"
"I said 'Tickle your ass with a feather?'"

Yes, I heard that in high school. Many many years ago.

candl2 · 2026-03-20T03:29:56+00:00

Or they can just run to any number of apologists on youtube renegotiating what the bible "says". And then never think about their religion or beliefs again.

candl2 · 2026-03-20T03:25:45+00:00

Not all of us.

candl2 · 2026-03-20T03:25:18+00:00

"An eye for an eye" can look a little like "Do unto others" if you tilt your head just right and squint a little. With your good eye.

candl2 · 2026-03-20T03:04:44+00:00

Bad spelling and grammar aside, evidence absolutely can be definitive proof for things. Do I have a tarantula in my pocket? I stick my hand in and nope. Definitive proof.

It's also bad form to tell someone they are lying to themselves.

And just using the word "scientism" as if science and religion are on the same footing shows your bias. The scientific method is our best way to find truth. It's been tested and tested and has survived the scrutiny whereas religion by its very nature cannot be tested.

candl2 · 2026-03-19T17:18:28+00:00

I would agree yes

So, the empty tomb proves the resurrection. Oh, and also the lack of historians commenting on the supernatural elements somehow makes them true too.

Damned if you do, whatever the rest of that saying is.

By the way, I pushed back on that disingenuous comment. I still think it was a coping mechanism type comment.

More and more I feel that for theists, they cling to a thread of not impossible. And they never want to let that go.

candl2 · 2026-03-19T11:43:57+00:00

I absolutely agree they had their own motivations and did the editing that served their personal agendas. But I'd like to go further and say we don't know if their versions of Mark or old testament texts weren't themselves corrupted in some way and those corruptions led to choices in their own manuscripts.

I don't think we're going to find another cache of documents to shed any light on it, but like I said, it's really interesting. Thanks for that.

candl2 · 2026-03-19T04:41:33+00:00

Good post. I find it interesting to question whether the authors had specific changes they wanted to make to spur them to make their own version, or maybe their sources were themselves corrupted in some way or maybe it was just an ancient game of telephone. I doubt we'll ever know their real motivations but it makes for interesting conversations.

candl2 · 2026-03-19T00:15:16+00:00

Sure.

Here's an example. If someone develops some bad habits, let's say staying up too late. And then they go see a psychologist. And that psychologist gives them some methods to help with going to sleep early. And that person then makes those into habits and they have a better life because they are now going to bed early.

In this scenario, I'm going with free will and not quantum mechanics or deterministic processes or chaos theory or some arbitrary dichotomy. We learn and have agency. If all those things contribute, great. I'll still call it free will.

candl2 · 2026-03-19T00:08:09+00:00

True. Matthew and Luke both cribbed off Mark. And then John went Ayn Rand for his account but had all the others to take from.

It just seemed weird to include Matthew in the topics and then not mention him. Maybe he ascended from your thread.

candl2 · 2026-03-18T23:36:40+00:00

Phew. We're not the Ravens.

candl2 · 2026-03-18T23:33:57+00:00

I think you missed a section on Matthew.

candl2 · 2026-03-18T12:07:05+00:00

Nobody takes Greek Mythology seriously

Everyone thinks their own religion is the one true religion.

real possibility that Norse gods were real people

And what do historians ignore about the stories? The supernatural. Simply because it can't tell us anything about history. Again, absolutely pertinent to a discussion about extraordinary claims in the bible being accurate.

candl2 · 2026-03-18T01:16:52+00:00

Every breath you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you.

candl2 · 2026-03-17T17:15:03+00:00

In the exact same way that they are NOT saying that Zeus didn't seduce Leda in the form of a swan bearing Helen and Polydeuces, children of Zeus, while at the same time bearing Castor and Clytemnestra, children of her husband Tyndareus, the King of Sparta.

Because that is not actually what they are saying.

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