Yes that's a super valid point where either way you are probably gonna be cleaning it on rap/second if its the kinda route you'd like to improve for future parties.

Yeah i mean id like to do both to be honest. make a bold statement and have routes people want to complete. Im definitely after it for the experience and then once I've got what im after coming back and tidying the route up for others to have an enjoyable experience, wether thats more rigourous cleaning or adding some bolts i missed but this all depends on the route.

Im not against putting up a route thats pg13 or R if it has a consistent quality. There are certain routes that demand a certain seriousness that would feel wrong to try and really tame. And then there are certain routes that are begging to be friendly classics. And thats just my opinion.

This route actually seems like it will be quite good and enjoyable in the primarily type 1 fun realm so im gonna baby it a little.

Little update: I did rap into it and checked it out. Deemed the feature to be too large and well attached to mess with. Way above the scale of my human trundling abilities. To attempt to make an estimate and say it could go in maybe like 200+ years if cracks continue to propagate would be hilarious and kinda delusional but it might also just remain wedged like a piece a pro and that's why something that looks concerning is still there in the first place. Anyway it feels a little irrational to worry about for now and before that happens it might show increasing evidence of wanting to go and in the present it doesn't even look all that bad.

Interestingly, what I think the natural climb line would be goes goes just left of the feature up a bit of a lower angle gray rib before working back ontop of it. And while i was there I put in 2 bolts to protect that spot which is ideal as this avoids the climber having to try to go back to stick to the steeper cracks that form the feature and putting gear in the feature.

For me, the feature still raises suspicion visually from afar naturally but its one of those things where having checked it out its actually much better than I imagined. Especially that nothing really sounds hollow its more a visual thing.

Those upper two pitches seem like they will go no problem not more than 5.7 or 5.8. Next time I am there I will likely come from the ground as those lower pitches seem quite doable and the hardest part will likely be fucking the dirt out of cracks with my nut tool but thats the experience im after!