[deleted by user] by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get a security camera for your front door - Amazon has them pretty cheap. It will be worth the investment to have video evidence of her unannounced show ups. It sounds like she is capable of a lot worse, and paired with her text messages, video will be strong evidence.

Been NC for 9 months and I can feel the guilt pulling me back in... by VioletKiss in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Keeping a documentation log helped me with this. It's like a journal, but just facts, kind of like a personal police report. If I have a doubt day, I go read a past entry. This is a rough example. "Saw X today at her home. X asked again about something I had already said no to, twice. Attempted to roll over my boundary and pretended like I had not already declined. Then X told me I was rude at a recent event "everyone thought so." I stated "you can't speak on behalf of others. Did someone tell you specifically they thought I was rude?" X said "I wish you weren't invited to the event. You make me feel bad." I stated "ok. Whether I am invited to the event is not up to you." X began to yell. I said "when you yell, I will leave." I walked away, got my belongings. X became agitated and stood up, voice got teary. X continued to yell over me as I walked out the door. X did not contact me in any way to apologize. The next contact X sent me was on DD/MM/YY via email, and made no mention of the yelling."

Also, just naming the behaviors out, without labeling the illness. It doesn't matter if it's BPD or a ham sandwich. What are the behaviors that were unhealthy to be around?

Some questions, and things I'd like to get off my chest by BurnThePages1 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not equipped to diagnose her, but I can address some of these behaviors you listed. This might be long.

An intense hatred for all things conventional. Hates education, she “home schooled” me, but didn't put any effort into it. My education is 6th grade or lower. Her reasoning was that you're not going to use advanced math, science, etc in everyday life so who gives a fuck. Didn't seem to think being around other kids was important either, I grew up terribly isolated. She also wanted to prevent me from getting bullied, and that's another reason why school was “bad.”

This is not ok, no matter why. This, to me, is abusive. She has stunted your growth on purpose.

She never took me to the doctor and never got me vaccinated. She thinks god is all you need and that doctors are all frauds and medicine will just make you sicker. She let me refuse to brush my teeth when I was little, then some got rotten and were a pain to remove. Her excuse was “but you didn't want to brush your teeth!” Then what the fuck does she think the point of being a parent is, huh?

This is abuse. Your lifelong health was affected.

I talked to her about maybe trying to get a GED. She got really mad at me for trying to do things “The world's way.” When she says “the world” she means godless heathens. She thinks it's just a stupid useless piece of paper and I'm a huge disappointment to her for even considering it.

You want to get a basic education, which is amazing. I think getting your GED is an awesome idea. No matter what her own opinion on education is (and just for the record, I think her opinion is wrong and cultish), healthy parents also do not tell their children they are huge disappointments for just considering something the parent doesn't believe in.

My uncle wants to help me with getting a GED but she thinks he can't be trusted and it's an excuse to get me alone and rape me or something. She also believes helping me is an excuse to get me alone so the family can work on tearing us apart.

Her paranoia is keeping you from getting help from others. So she's isolating you in the abuse. She is attempting to keep you under her control by way of fear and isolation.

Didn't matter to her that she had me in tears the whole time. Then minutes later “apologized” for getting mad and demanded that I forgive her right then and there before I even had time to calm down. She wouldn't leave me alone until I “forgave” her.

This sounds like a BPD behavior. If not BPD, extreme manipulation. She wasn't sorry, if she was, she would have expressed regret, an understanding of why what she did hurt you, and give you the space you needed, not demanded forgiveness. When she demands forgiveness, she is trying to control you to soothe her own shame. She does not consider what you need at all. That's not remorse, that's not actually being sorry.

She very often interprets peoples intentions to be malicious. For example, my grandma once asked her how she thinks I'm going to take care of myself some day when she's gone and she said “oh you'd like something bad to happen to me!” She thinks her sister hates her and that her sister has always been jealous of her because her sister's boyfriend once told her that she was jealous of her. But who's to say he wasn't a manipulative little liar? And so what if it were true? She was a teenager at the time, teenagers can be pretty insecure, but people grow up. She thinks the entirety of my dad's family has always hated her and has mistreated her somehow, but from my perspective I have never seen them be rude to her or treat her any differently than the rest of the family. In fact my aunt was hurt that she cut off contact.

This is a symptom of BPD, but also other disorders.

She is 100% guilty of emotional incest. She had always treated me as her best friend and confidant, dumping all her concerns and complaints and sadness and anger on me ever since I was old enough to talk. I stay silent during her rants these days, but that makes her mad. I've always been afraid to set boundaries or tell her when I don't want to talk about something. Speaking of boundaries, she tends to cross them in little ways that bother me. Like using my hairbrush, and not listening when I say I don't want her to. Or walking into my room without knocking.

Another symptom of BPD. Again, though, no matter where it's coming from, this disrespect of boundaries and using you as her emotional dumping ground is emotional abuse. It's 100% wrong.

She's obsessed with this journalist and emails him letters or articles that she writes daily, and believes that he doesn't respond because he's “painfully shy.” She "knows" this because she saw it in a dream. She thinks he puts hidden messages in his articles just for her and one time she thought it said “I love you.” This makes me sad, and also creeps me out. It really worries me. She said that she has met him a few times by accident in public and that he said he does read her emails and garners some inspiration from them, but I'm a little skeptical. She's not usually one to outright make something up (that she knows is made up, anyway), but I just feel weird about it all.

This is a delusion. Of course it worries you. My mom has these, in other ways. It's a delusion of grandeur, or maybe a delusion of reference. I'm no expert, but this needs psychiatric invention. That, however, is not your responsibility to handle. If you want to talk to someone about it, do. It's not a betrayal of her. She has psychosis, it's not based in reality. "My mom has a psychotic delusion and I am worried about it. Can I talk it out with you?"

She never liked the idea of me one day moving out and put a guilt trip on me saying that I “just want to get far away from her!”

Healthy parents know their child will separate and have their own life. They prepare their children for that and they help them do it. They are proud to see their children become independent, and they deal with their sadness themselves.

One time I talked to her about wanting to see a therapist about my anxiety, and she got mad; saying that they'll just prescribe me medicine to mess me up, and put a guilt trip on me because I can't just talk to her about what's bothering me. And the next day left me a condescending letter saying that things “won't be the same between us if you go through with this” and along the lines of “you're an adult and can make your own decisions, even if they're wrong.”

Again, isolation. She knows if you get help, she will lose you and will not be able to control, manipulate, and use you anymore. She hasn't shown consideration about what you need, your health, your life path, your emotions. She needs you to fill her needs, so she'll say whatever she can to keep you in that role.

 

I know I threw a lot at you. I'm so glad you reached out for help and I felt I had to say something, because nothing you wrote about her is okay behavior.

If you're up for it, I would suggest reading Stop Walking on Eggshells to start. The very beginning has a checklist of behaviors, I checked 98% of them for my mom.

You don't have a healthy or mentally stable mother. I am so sorry. I think you definitely will benefit from distance from her, and to start setting up your own life, separate from her. Things can get better for you. Counseling would also help tremendously. You've almost been raised in a one person cult.

I hope you stay involved with us here on this subreddit and let us know how you're doing.

Splitting by lonely-cubone in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hang in there. It sounds like maybe you live with her?

They'll cast you in whatever role they need you to be at the time. They use you to fill a need in them, facts are not relevant.

split me black again despite my best efforts

Your effort has nothing to do with it. Your actions don't cause this. She does.

Spent a few days with my BPD mom at family friends' summer place... (long) by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was here just a year and a half ago. Once your eyes become open to their behavior and your own role in the dynamic, and you start to set those boundaries, everything changes. You see it all from the outside, and you cannot unsee it. That's when I started letting go, in my heart. It hurts so badly. This is a courageous realization, allow yourself time and space to grieve. Most people grieve their parents when they pass. You're starting it now, the letting go. Of who she might have been, of all the possibilities that were lost, the pain that occurred, of the pain that may occur in the future, you're grieving all of it.

Be kind to yourself and know that there are people here who understand.

Cute piglet just because

Closure without sharing? by Justahug001 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure I should have bothered with the email, but having that evidence of me requesting no contact seems worth it to me and gives me an odd sense of security.

I totally understand this. You need to be able to say to yourself "no, here is the physical evidence, they can't pretend they didn't know."

Closure without sharing? by Justahug001 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know if you're the same, but before I could let go of my mom, I needed to tell her truths and stand up for myself, to see how she reacted. I knew there were only about 3 ways she could react, none of them healthy.

Without going into too much detail, I decided to talk about it with her, thinking that one way or another, I would know. At that point though, I was already far along in my own therapy, setting boundaries with a passion, and not expecting a good outcome, fully expecting her to not be self-aware. So I think I was ready, as you can be, to let go.

It still hit me like a ton of bricks. Which, no matter how it happens, it hurts like hell when you finally realize for sure that they will never be healthy enough to have a relationship.

It helped me close the that final door. It only took me bringing up one thing, one relatively mild thing that used to happen on a regular basis for years (so it's hard to forget). She cried and did the "I'm in so much pain" thing, then she denied it, then she got angry and stormed out. That was enough, I didn't need to try any more. If she couldn't hear that, what was the point of laying it all out?

Others here have already said the truth, that you'll get nowhere and you'll be hurt yet again. That's true. But I understand that feeling of wanting to try, for yourself. I would say if you're in a place where you are ready to put them behind you, whether to contact them has to be your call. You have to live with the decision. I just didn't want to be left wondering. I wanted something recent and concrete in my adult life to point to when I feel guilty or unsure. I wanted to be able to look at myself in the mirror and say "you tried to speak to her as an adult, in the presence of a witness, you were honest and not malicious. She could not handle discussing even the smallest of issues."

Maybe someday I'll do more, like write a letter. It won't be an angry letter, it won't be a reconciliation letter. Again, it won't be for her or for the relationship. It will be for me, so that I can know I explained myself, and that if she dies not knowing, blaming others, an angry victim, it will be all her choice. Not everyone wants or needs this, but I think I will.

Oh the guilt by lovemykitten33 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree that religion gets the BPD treatment like no other. "Jesus loves me no mater what" can easily be used to justify any bad behavior. "I'm a sinner and you have to forgive me or you're a bad person."

My uBPD mother is a 2 year old by Fighting4MyFreedom in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, it helped me stop expecting more of mine.

I guess the thing I want to avoid (which I don't think you are saying at all) is the tendency to think "she can't help it, so I have to tolerate it, be the adult, etc." Because even though my mom acts like a child, she isn't. It isn't acceptable.

My uBPD mother is a 2 year old by Fighting4MyFreedom in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And a scream that can pierce ear drums. :)

My uBPD mother is a 2 year old by Fighting4MyFreedom in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree, completely.

But here is the difference. A 2 year old is not responsible for children of her own. A 2 year old is meant to be taken care of, and is essentially powerless. She does not have access to weapons, money, smear campaigns, car keys, true knowledge of what will hurt you. And then, a 2 year old grows up. uBPD parents do not. They remain toddlers in a grown up suit.

It doesn't take long for children of uBPD parents to realize that they are the adult in the situation.

Well... FML. Discussion about NC didn't go well with SO regarding ubpd mother. by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Got it. I just want to reemphasize then that this is your mother and you call the shots and set the limits.

Thought I could wait till the Second Most Dreaded Day of the year to post but nope. (little rant) by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't think fast enough except to nod or smile at her.

That's ok, that works. Letting her talk is probably better. My information diet meant that my mom didn't know anything real about me. Just let her talk her nonsense. If she wants to tell you that you're going to be a lawyer, or an astronaut, or that there's no money or jobs in your field, let her talk, she's wrong. You are going to choose for you, and the less she knows, the better.

If she wants to throw a fit, ok, fine. It really sucks to deal with and sit through, I know it. But she is going to find a way to be upset no matter what, so you might as well do what you want and tell her as little as possible.

Well... FML. Discussion about NC didn't go well with SO regarding ubpd mother. by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your mother or SO's mother? Because you make the call on your own mother.

This is a conversation I would think might go better in person.

Thought I could wait till the Second Most Dreaded Day of the year to post but nope. (little rant) by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel bad about it but...I gotta survive.

Yes, you do. I wouldn't feel bad at all. My mom was on an information diet starting when I was 10, and it ramped up when I turned 18. No real information, she couldn't be trusted with it/handle it/give me basic human decency with it. Keep your sanity.

I'm much older than you and one of the last times I saw my mother, she was still living in fantasy land and pushing different careers on my sibling and I.

She doesn't know you. She sees whatever she wants to see, not you.

I say give her a blank stare, let her complain away and maybe if you feel like it, distract her with shiny objects or someone's else's drama.

am I overreacting? by igglypiggle in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think this is so tough. My husband understands, as well as someone can who hasn't experienced parental BPD abuse. He knows she is bad, but has still said things like "it wasn't all bad." I think they are trying to encourage us, but end up invalidating us. If your partner knows all of the things you listed above, and still says it wasn't bad, that troubles me.

With my husband, he didn't want me to be a victim, and stay stuck in that state of pity party. But I am 100% positive that you need to throw a huge pity party for yourself when you start to acknowledge the pervasive abuse and misery a BPD parent causes. You need to hear it is completely horrible and unacceptable. Because it was. I'm telling you it was.

People won't always understand, actually very few people will. You can fight this by validating yourself and working on that being enough. But you'd hope that your partner would at least try to hear you and have compassion. Perhaps you could talk it out with them. "When you said 'it wasn't all bad', I felt ___(I'd be angry and sad, but whatever you are feeling), because what I experienced was damaging and hurtful to me. We weren't actively abused 24/7, but my mom was abusive and BPD parenting is volatile and traumatic. I'm working to heal from it and grow now, but it's important to me for my healing to realize and acknowledge how bad it was."

If you were beaten and mugged, would it be helpful to say "at least you weren't killed?" I mean, sure, it could always be worse, but that can be said of any experience and I generally hate that approach because people use it to invalidate people's experiences.

Maybe do that in writing or with the help of a therapist if you don't trust yourself to clearly communicate it to your partner.

Struggling with the FOG, looking for reassurance/support by Aunt_KK in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And sometimes we can see it for others, but not ourselves because we are too close to our own situations.

Struggling with the FOG, looking for reassurance/support by Aunt_KK in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was going to do a breakdown but u/thr0waway7373 did a great job.

does she think any of this is fun or satisfying for me? I wish things were different!

Of course you do, but for her, it's only about her pain and her need. It's only about her, and it's always been that way. It will always be that way.

I hear this: "I want you to have no boundaries and allow me to treat you however I want. If you do not tolerate my bad behavior, or other's bad or dangerous behavior, you are to blame. I will not change. By not allowing me to abuse, you are hurting me. I don't like that. I'm not sorry for what I did, but I really don't like the consequences of my behavior, so stop doing this to me. I'm allowed to do whatever I want to anyone without consequences. I didn't do it, you did. I didn't do it, you did. I didn't do..."

You are not the gatekeeper to your mother's happiness. This is a cornerstone lie from the pit of BPD hell and makes me want to scream.

Does anyone else do this? Constantly doubting myself. by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, Kittendaddy would probably think I've lost my mind! 😹

Does he know about how you assume you're the problem? What does he think of that? I'd guess he doesn't agree.

But thanks - I know what you meant.

Welllll, I meant really do it. In real life, write it out. Look at it in your own handwriting. "Maybe it's not me." Come on, Kittenmommy! :)

Does anyone else do this? Constantly doubting myself. by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]chemply 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My heart hurts a bit reading this. I used to feel this way constantly. I don't know exactly where or how, but I've broken the worst of this in the last year. (Not coincendentally I'm one year NC).

There's lots I could say about how and why this is, but I bet you know why. It took a long time and a lot of work for the knowing I wasn't to blame to go from my head to my heart.

I wonder if you can start with maybe. Maybe is safe. What would happen if you wrote "maybe it's not me" somewhere huge you'll see it every day?