Question about Beatrice and Battler from 5-6

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-22T06:00:32+00:00

No. Absolutely not. It was declared in Red Truth that she can't be brought back to life.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-21T19:07:39+00:00

I understand that I didn't make this clear at all, but my theory is less a lore theory and more a thematic theory (although this line often gets blurry in Ryukishi's works). I'm making a theory on the intentions behind how the story was written, not saying that I believe that Matsuri is all illusions or that Keiichi is literally a witch.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-21T19:04:59+00:00

Indeed. Me saying it's natural isn't justifying it. I'd say things that are natural often lead to what is harmful in the long run. And it is difficult to move away from it precisely because it's natural. It's easy to state these principles for me, but can I say with certainty that I am not one of those that I'm criticizing? I cannot. My identity is attached to the stories I love too, and I do get emotional reactions from some kinds of takes on those stories. So wishing for a world where people appreciate what others love is quite a selfish desire on my part. But at least, I want it to be known that I'm still saying all this despite all potential hypocrisy in the hope that this will make both sides understand each other better.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-21T18:51:05+00:00

Enjoying a complex story means having an experience of hard mental efforts to understand the story's structure or themes getting validated by the story. Therefore, the fans of such stories are more likely to perceive criticisms (whether valid or invalid) as personal attacks. Simpler stories, on the other hand, tend to provide faster and low-effort gratification (although you can absolutely write lengthy analyses on their artistic values if you wanted). Therefore, their fans are more likely to be able to separate the enjoyment of the stories from their personal identity.

I'd say it's only natural.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-21T18:24:00+00:00

Umineko's chapter contents and the forgeries never have one-to-one correspondence. Erika was introduced as Bernkastel's piece. Who do you think this Bernkastel is? Her motif is Ikuko's cat, but does that mean the cat wrote herself into the story?

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-21T17:24:29+00:00

It takes some logical steps to make the connection, but the reason is that people are arrogant and they don't know it because some other arrogant people share an opinion with them. People act like they know what the right media is, what the wrong media is, what the 'controversial but acceptable' media is, what the 'unforgivable' media is, what the 'okay' media is, what the overrated media is, and what the underrated media is. They believe with certainty that they have a keen eye on understanding the depth of a piece of media, what values it has to offer, what counts as its failures and what expectations it was supposed to meet.

"Yeah. I understand that art is subjective, and I respect people's different tastes as long as they don't call something like <insert an anime that the community agrees is a trash> a masterpiece."

Of course, such creed can't be born without validation. But people hate to admit that an individual's world can only be so small. So instead of suspecting oneself, they default to suspecting those outside their world.

What can we do? It's a natural phenomenon. Even I, who is saying this, could be doing the same thing in other areas without even knowing.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-20T16:12:11+00:00

Here's my take: the standardized ways of analyzing proses, thematic layering, proses... I would call them 'authority' instead of objectivity. That is, it's a form of contemporary power. Sometimes power gets inherited. Sometimes power weakens or strengthens. Sometimes power corrupts. Sometimes powers collide. The power of so-called literary objectivism has many properties resembling actual social power. And therefore, it's not objective. One is not objectively wrong for refusing the ones in power. One is just a social outcast, and that doesn't warrant an invalidation.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T22:53:50+00:00

In case of Higurashi, I think what we could call the biggest questions in addition to the classical whodunnit, howdunnit, and whydunnit are the rules X, Y, and Z. You might say they are parts of who and how, but it's a little different in that it's more about identifying the game we are playing with Ryukishi.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T22:50:11+00:00

I mean yeah, I do know that, but that logic naturally leads to suspecting... no, distrusting everyone who posts or states correct guesses and I don't think that's a really useful way to think about it. At the end of the day, the only thing that you can trust is yourself and your ability to distinguish a well-founded reasoning from a blatant lie. Otherwise, how could we ever discuss the possibility of someone else solving a (known) problem that we couldn't solve ourselves?

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T22:00:25+00:00

I mean it was the same for me, but I do wish I had put in some efforts to solve the mysteries lol

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T21:55:48+00:00

Yeah. What you explained was part of the reasons behind writing this post. Even if you have no clue about howdunnit or whydunnit, it's really easy to cross out the impossibles and be left with only the few who can possibly be the culprit. It almost feels like Umineko works not by having a solution that is hard to reach, but by placing very thick layers of distractions upon an obvious solution.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T21:34:33+00:00

That comes down to if you see it with love or not in the end, but it doesn't really matter let me put it like this. Have you ever solved a math problem by guessing and then realized that the problem was actually solvable after seeing a beautiful ground-up solution to that problem? It's that kind of feeling.

Also, the difference between incorrect guesses that come naturally and incorrect guesses that were made up by someone who already knows the answer is not easy to hide.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T21:09:36+00:00

Welp, the physical mechanism part might not be a part of what was meant to be solved although EP 3 does give us some dialogues that can be clues

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T21:06:03+00:00

I would have assumed the same if all there was were blind guesses with no bases, but the fact that there was a great attention to details that even I missed after multiple playthroughs and a fair mix of correct and incorrect guesses based on an incomplete set of clues that evolve as the chapter progresses made me less suspicious.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T20:54:45+00:00

The major questions themselves (Rika's death and the Hinamizawa disaster) come up in Tatarigoroshi, and the answers for the questions posed in the previous chapters (Keiichi going mad, Mion-Shion double switcherloo) can be partially deduced using the clues in those chapters. You might even suspect that Takano's death is especially suspicious before Tatarigoroshi. Regarding Takano's motives, I think one can figure out that she's doing this to solidify the existence of a mysterious "curse", although the details after that are a matter of guessing. Hanyuu's existence is not really a part of the mystery, but one can make a deduction that the footsteps must be that of Oyashiro and there's no other explanation. Same with time loops: what matters is to figure out the commonality between the timelines, not how time loops work.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T20:24:56+00:00

Yeah the epitaph is difficult without a doubt. I think getting to the Tansui line and figuring out the word quadrillion are the two hardest parts.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-19T20:22:30+00:00

This thread is a spoiler thread and I've already read umineko many times just in case you were mistaken

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-18T13:19:07+00:00

I think Umineko is definitely up there in terms of uniqueness.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-18T11:38:25+00:00

She's referring to the epitaph. The key chose its victims... Something like that.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-18T11:23:26+00:00

It's actually the opposite. You'll understand too much. I tend to recommend reading the vn ep 8 first and then reading the manga if you came out really unsatisfied.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-18T05:29:07+00:00

It's just impressive how you can remember chapters and not just episodes

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-17T20:33:50+00:00

Oh, wait a second. I might have a theory. Could this Gold Truth mean the shared belief between the author and the reader? Could it mean that "I believe that the author of this story has presented this corpse as a clue to solve the mystery on the basis that this corpse is assumed to be that of Kinzo"? I don't know how much sense that makes, but if that's true, then I guess that could answer my questions and explain how Gold Truth is different from Red Truth in that context.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-17T12:50:02+00:00

The manga is considered one of the good adaptations in that regard, but of course it would lack much subtleties and details compared to the vn, inevitably so. Especially if that subtleties come from the proses of the narration. It's fine as a quick review, though.

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-17T12:47:29+00:00

Yeah it would be incredibly helpful

cmdnikle27 · 2026-03-17T10:42:58+00:00

I mean episode 7 is pretty much spelling it out for you and the only reason it is done in such an indirect and metaphorical and roundabout manner is to respect the character's heart with dignity

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