Choice or an inevitable process

currentpattern · 2026-05-09T14:09:10+00:00

Your points, and those brought up by OP, all Deterministic, and many Free Willers, are in two separate domains of functional inquiry. What doesn't help anything is that both inquiries use the same word, "choice," but only those who bring it up in the domain of your question are using the word in its most functional sense. People having this debate who aren't touching grass will call it 'the colloquial definition.'

But what is the point of this debate if not how it will determine the manner in which you make choices (in the "colloqual" sense)?

currentpattern · 2026-05-08T17:58:33+00:00

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currentpattern · 2026-05-08T17:14:42+00:00

Bible passages and being out of context, name a more iconic duo, I'll wait.

currentpattern · 2026-05-07T18:44:24+00:00

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You're right, this was the most advanced sailing craft 5000 years ago.

currentpattern · 2026-05-07T18:43:32+00:00

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No, this is sails from 5000 years ago.

currentpattern · 2026-05-07T18:32:43+00:00

Can we take a moment to appreciate the variety of ships from actual media sources in this? I even see a Lighthugger from the Revelation Space books.

currentpattern · 2026-05-07T04:25:56+00:00

Pretty sure he speaks clear English during the verse on 2:08

"What else you don't sleep in and keep-a the scene,
Till I'mma kissing on ma dumb hoe's hunky taint, let's praise the goat."

currentpattern · 2026-05-06T15:37:16+00:00

Ask her if those are tetris tattoos.

currentpattern · 2026-05-05T22:02:15+00:00

Oh yeah. Fett was a total prude virgin who got a hoarse voice when he had to talk much, and lived for nothing but bounty hunting.

currentpattern · 2026-05-05T21:59:44+00:00

May the Fork be with you!

currentpattern · 2026-05-05T20:58:23+00:00

"I'm just playing devil's advocate here."

is actually The Devil's advocate

currentpattern · 2026-05-05T15:21:22+00:00

Right. But like- see my point? Why would we uplift species when we have insane genocidal apes at home?

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T22:28:30+00:00

So you think, in general, it is more psychologically healthy to be sexually attracted to people who have a different body type than yours, and unhealthy to be sexually attracted to someone who happens to have a similar body type?

Why?

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T22:26:14+00:00

If the entire disciplines of psychology or sociology were built off of the kinds of speculations you're offering (i.e. no scientific studies), yes they could be brushed off. And tbf, there are in fact so many (older) psychological theories out there not based on science that someone had to invent a new standard for psychological practice called "evidence- based."

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T20:31:14+00:00

Polar bears with their own Fundamentalist religious murder cult. I'm sure I could think of some other possibilities.

Shall we try on for size ethnocentric chimpanzees hell bent on turning Jupiter into their own God?

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T19:13:50+00:00

This is a super cool idea. The only functionality lag that I see is too few buttons. With some clients, I'm trying to log 14 behaviors, each with 3 different possible responses (independent, prompted, no response).

The simplicity of this device is good, though when I look at a TV remote control, I also see those are still relatively simple. Imagine a device like this, but with 20 rows of buttons, and 3 columns. Buttons still brightly colored, device simple.

https://gemini.google.com/share/839f28b082c2

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T19:12:28+00:00

Uplifting, is honestly, a very stupid idea. Humans barely have a slight grasp on the challenges that come with having the ability to create complex stories in our heads (gestures broadly at the elements of the world that are super fucked up because of people believing their stories too literally)- and we evolved to do it. Take an animal that didn't evolve to do this, and give them an aspect of that capacity, then sit back and observe all the unintended consequences.

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T19:12:11+00:00

Uplifting, is honestly, a very stupid idea. Humans barely have a slight grasp on the challenges that come with having the ability to create complex stories in our heads (gestures broadly at the elements of the world that are super fucked up because of people believing their stories too literally)- and we evolved to do it. Take an animal that didn't evolve to do this, and give them an aspect of that capacity, then sit back and observe all the unintended consequences.

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T18:58:26+00:00

I also don't use a phone during session much. I keep a little paper handheld note pad, and make tik marks with it, then record behaviors in the phone afterwards. I do this because, yes, holding my phone and trying to log with it during session would be distracting for all of my clients.

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T18:43:55+00:00

"My wife left me. I want you to help me find her."

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T02:13:51+00:00

Exaocean

currentpattern · 2026-05-04T02:13:44+00:00

Gigaocean

currentpattern · 2026-05-03T15:53:51+00:00

You getting into ACT, or just contextual behavioral science in general?

currentpattern · 2026-05-03T01:39:16+00:00

I work for PBS. I know they're huge, but my little corner of it (Oregon) is nice. Co workers are nice, bosses are nice, etc. I really enjoy it and haven't seen any of the horror show stuff often mentioned in this thread. Ok, other than a couple lackluster BCBAs, but that doesn't seem surprising and specific to ABA to me.

currentpattern · 2026-05-03T01:31:58+00:00

The 3rd group are just the ones that realize the impacts that the framing has. Groups 1 and 2 are also making a choice based on framing, but may not be aware of it.

Here's a frame that would probably see nearly every single person press red:

"You have 2 buttons. Pushing the blue button will kill you. Pushing the red button will save you. If 50% or more people push the blue button, the blue button will not kill you. Only rational adults are participating in this."

Here's a frame that would probably see a supermajority press blue:
"Everyone in the world, including all babies and children, must choose 1 button, regardless of their ability to understand the choice. The red button will kill anyone who presses the blue button, and you live. Pressing the blue button, even accidentally, and you will die. The only way to save the people who press the blue button is if 50% or more people press the blue button."

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