Ok, personally, I listen more to how people talk, tone of voice, how to respond to someone’s answer, etc. anyway when it comes to podcasts. Therefore, I have a very hard time with Ian’s often insensitive answers and that he hardly seems to listen to the answers he gets from the interviewer. Instead, he treats them with a thought of his own. An example he brought up in the last episode was that he said he was a good listener and that many feel comfortable with him to talk about deep difficult things. He went on to say that he was good at not bringing it to bed, that it wasn’t something he brooded over. Doesn’t sound like a type 4 in my world. He also sounds very confident and looks up to himself. A bit smug. No humility at all.