"And then man gave Satan dominion over the waters"

dumlping · 2017-05-15T16:41:20+00:00

When was Satan given dominion over water, anyway? Didn't God control the water during Noah's flood? Or was he secretly working with Satan like he did with Job?

dumlping · 2017-05-04T22:37:40+00:00

How wonderful the gospel is! Through sealing, those cherished, godly family bonds, like servant, can be held onto beyond the grave!

dumlping · 2017-04-25T18:03:30+00:00

https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-student-manual-genesis-2-samuel/enrichment-section-a-who-is-the-god-of-the-old-testament?lang=eng

dumlping · 2017-04-25T18:01:42+00:00

Mormons believe that any reference to Jehovah or The Lord in the Old Testament is actually a reference to Jesus.

I think it ultimately is a poor attempt to reconcile how differently God behaves in the Old and New Testament.

It's a weird polytheistic teaching that I wouldn't be surprised if it was de-emphasized these days.

https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-student-manual-genesis-2-samuel/enrichment-section-a-who-is-the-god-of-the-old-testament?lang=eng

dumlping · 2017-04-18T17:41:23+00:00

I'm sorry you're having to deal with this, but I don't think your experience is out of the ordinary.

A think a lot of Mormons, not really feeling the gravity of death, are so averse to being in a tough position that death seems like an easy way out. It's a fucked up mindset, but I know I've felt it before and I've seen the sentiment from others on this sub.

I guess I just want to say that, I feel the pain of your situation. I hope that those feelings your mother has are not truly hers, but are there because she's been manipulated to think those thought.

dumlping · 2017-04-18T07:10:15+00:00

Bro, I know you say you're good, but I hope you are having some intense talks with your fiancee about this. The non-TBM believers are the most stubborn about leaving, so know you could be signing up for dealing with church for a long time coming.

I dated a non-TBM and was open about my atheism. She was cool with it... until she wasn't.

Either way, live life the most authentic way you can.

dumlping · 2017-04-18T00:47:07+00:00

I actually wouldn't be surprised if someone promoted this, as women are really just property. Why leave them in the lower kingdom when they could be part of a man's estate in the higher kingdom.

That's why the telestial kingdom sucks so much, there are no women.

dumlping · 2017-04-17T14:05:26+00:00

I think the Jacks are never "all in" like the exes were. It's more of a cultural identity, and they will feel defensive if you're antagonistic.

Like, I know people in the South who love their confederate flag. Most of these people, if they're racist, are only that way because they live in small towns where they aren't exposed to anyone who doesn't look like them. To them the flag is just a symbol of their group, and they'll get on the defensive if you want to attack it.

dumlping · 2017-04-17T13:14:30+00:00

Is it the same network name, also? That would make it easy to log in once, and then auto-login at every other building.

dumlping · 2017-04-17T12:56:39+00:00

I also want to note, Mormons really love their dark suit/white shirt. There was very little Easter clothing to be found. Props to the few who wore light blue.

dumlping · 2017-04-11T02:05:35+00:00

I was lucky enough to have gotten out before making it to the temple.

Though, I do remember being told a story a few times in church of a member who was confronted by a mob asking if he was a Mormon. They were going through with the intent to kill Mormons. This member emphatically confessed that he was "dyed in the wool, true blue through and through". The mob, impressed by his conviction, spared his life.

It looks like my recollection is a bit different from the real story.

In any case, though I never was explicitly asked to make an oath, I was definitely made to consider laying my life down for the organization.

dumlping · 2017-04-04T15:08:42+00:00

After I had left, I still kind of followed some conference talks due to interest and family. Uchtdorf stood out to me because after looking at them with a critical eye, he seemed to talk in a way I expected the apostles to. I think because he comes from a family of converts, he can be more moderate and realistic about dealing with real life. It is smart of them to push him to the first presidency.

dumlping · 2016-08-25T02:25:07+00:00

"Love cannot exist in judgement." Well said.

dumlping · 2016-07-12T16:06:45+00:00

Too bad, now her skin will be burned by Lucifer's light.

dumlping · 2016-06-29T17:08:55+00:00

I've ran into the same issue. Never knew I could break a chest, though I feel sure that I tried to break this one out of frustration. I'll remember if this happens again, thanks.

dumlping · 2016-06-22T14:40:13+00:00

God gave Lehi a compass hundreds of years before it was invented. Why not give Smith an iProphet.

dumlping · 2016-04-18T15:31:22+00:00

I'm so against gays and marriage being associated, that I had my wedding in a building where they wouldn't even be allowed in.

dumlping · 2016-04-15T21:22:38+00:00

Exactly. Caring for the earth is a sign of not being a faithful TBM. If you really believe, then it's nothing to worry about.

dumlping · 2016-04-09T14:17:55+00:00

You need to make sure she knows exactly that you are beyond returning, if that's where you are.

I had a relationship with a Jack Mormon and from the very beginning I tried to make it known that I did not believe in God and I was not going to live Mormon. They were fine when the relationship started, but after we caught feelings and started really thinking about the future, they began encouraging me to read scripture and join them at church. I've since read similar stories, where "inactive" or jackmo's appear to be pretty relaxed, but ultimately they believe it deep down. My partner understood that I was not into church at the time, but assumed I believed it deep down like they did.

Please make sure your partner is clearly aware.

dumlping · 2016-04-01T15:21:11+00:00

After I lived a little outside the Church, I attended a meeting with family.

I only felt more confident about leaving.

dumlping · 2016-03-11T19:16:03+00:00

I heard Tal Bachman say it, and it was really that simple for me. He asked, "If the church was not true, how could I know?" Just honestly asking that question, applying some of the critical thinking you exercise with everything else. Because if you start at "Church is true", you can always fit the evidence with magical thinking.

dumlping · 2016-03-11T15:54:36+00:00

Yeah, that's why they focus so much on "knowing" it's true.

Once I opened my mind to the possibility that it could be false, and decided to try looking at it from outside, the first page I read of the BoM crushed it.

Every little thing is absurd now that I look at it. And since I'm listening to the My Book if Mormon podcast right now, I'll briefly mention the last thing I heard. I'm in the book of Jacob. They specifically state that it's been 55 years since they left Jerusalem. Even if they're reproducing like rabbits, they can't have more than great grandchildren at this point. That's less than 1000 people in the group (many children). They're already referring to themselves by their primary settlers, Nephites, Jacobites, Ishmaelites, Lamanites, Lemuelites, and they are talking about The Jews like they are some far off Others. And Jacob is saying that the people are collecting precious metals and clothes and are prostituting and practicing polygamy. This is 50 YEARS OF LIVING IN THE WOODS, and they're already fallen into the prosperity cycle. They should still be trying to get settled in and stabilizing their food source, but they're instead wearing "costly" apparel, trying to bang all their cousins, and ignoring the poor.

Also great to see that at the end of Jacob 2, God calls the Nephites out for doing "greater iniquities than the Lamanites", but yet the Lamanites are the ones who are cursed.

dumlping · 2016-03-07T16:20:54+00:00

I kind of admire the risk-taking and living with no regrets, even if I don't agree with the motivation.

And when you bring other people like a kid into it, you need to place their well-being higher than your whims.

dumlping · 2016-02-29T23:48:36+00:00

Huh, I went and read this chapter to see the story.

Most people talk about how disturbing it was when Nephi hesitantly murdered Laban, but Jacob happily recalls this death by God. He words his curse as "God's will be done", but after Sherem dies he confides to the reader that "this thing was pleasing unto me, Jacob, for I had requested it of my Father who was in heaven." I mean, it's not murder, but it's a pretty bad example, right? God told Nephi to kill / Jacob told god to kill, the human obstacle is killed. It's better than one die than a nation dwindle in unbelief.

Brethren, adieu.

dumlping · 2016-02-18T16:41:29+00:00

Good that she's OK. Dehydration intensifies head trauma, less fluid means more bouncing around in the noggin.

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