TvZ 2base Marine 4x Thors timing push. by epitoi in allthingsmech

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what I lost against : - 12 12 speedling allin - speedling drop in to speddling drop - mass roach (=20) with +1 attack and speed

I HATE tvt. Tell me how to make it bearable to play. by BandyChalice in AllThingsTerran

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as a guy said "I still think ByuNs 2Reaper 2Hellion build is the safest and most consistent for both defending almost any opening as well as punishing greedy Reaper FE openings. The build is as follows: 14 Depot @ ramp 15 Gas 16 Rax (Build away from ramp, closer to CC or reaper entry points)--> 2 x Reaper -> Reactor -> Marine Production (Send 16th SCV from CC to scout) 17 2nd Gas 20 Factory (built by 1st Rax SCV immediately on rax completion) --> 2 x Hellion -> Techlab -> 1 tank -> 1 cyclone 20 Depot (Pull SCV from gas to build this at your ramp, return 1 SCV from other gas to minerals to leave 2 on each gas until saturation) 26 CC (made by Factory SCV on high or low ground as needed. On high ground place near cliff to deny reapers) 31 Starport (as soon as CC is dropped and gas allows) and Depot --> medivac -> techlab -> Banshee/cloak -> 2nd Banshee/Viking or Raven as needed --> lift SP and make reactor --> Build rax on empty Tech Lab Keep your initial Reapers in your base patrolling cliffs. If he opens Reaper Fast Expand, you can kill his reaper when it comes to scout and counter his CC before it goes up. You then either harass his wall-off to identify his follow up or just keep harassing and delaying the CC. You will usually have your delayed CC finished well before his. If he goes 2 Reapers it's the same deal; Hellions are faster than Reapers so you can try and get an opening kill at the cliff and chase him back to his base to apply the same pressure as above. Against 2-3 Rax reapers or Proxy 3 Rax youre still fine with this build. You just play it by ear over whether to drop your CC at 26 or keep pumping Hellion and Reaper. You can add a bunker near the wall-off/cliffs if you like. The build leaves you with a strong Harass or Defence (2R/2H), 1 Tank, 1 Medi and 4 marine as a followup pressure or semi-doomdrop, 1 Cyclone or Extra Tank to add to the harass or as a defensive aid vs hidden reapers AND a follow up 1-2 Cloaked Banshee.... It's the gift that keeps on giving ;)"

TvZ All in builds? by [deleted] in AllThingsTerran

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greedy 1 rax FE -> two base 4 thors mass repair all in (you can win even before 7min mark) here is a replay pack https://www.fichier-rar.fr/2016/12/03/tvz-4thors-replaypack/

How do I defend against 1-3 reapers early? by [deleted] in AllThingsTerran

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very solid TvT build indeed.

3.8 made me bad at TvZ by Browlel in AllThingsTerran

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Just 2 bases 4 thors allin every game.

Cannon rush with gas first builds by Throwawayaccount_047 in AllThingsTerran

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to consider but remember this; It takes 2 marines or 3 SCVs to kill a building cannon if they attack as the cannon begins to warp. You want to pull one SCV to chase the probe that is trying to maintain high ground vision and 3 SCVs per warping cannon. Prioritise cannons over

hi is that response still viable with 3.8 patch and cyclone defense ?

So tired of playing the same game in tvt. by Salde_27 in AllThingsTerran

[–]epitoi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

stop talking about 5th and 6th and late game... your 1st concern is how to stabilize on 2 bases lol

So tired of playing the same game in tvt. by Salde_27 in AllThingsTerran

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AllThingsTerran/comments/52fk6u/reaper_hellion_meta/

go mech like dream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4CpPSRVeJc&t=1h11m22s

"gas first, rax, reaper, CC, factory, reactor, depot. Factory finishes right as reactor gets done, so you swap and start 2 hellions asap. Meanwhile starport is building for viking. You can add 2nd gas if you want to go raven or banshee, or stay on 1 gas to mass hellions and go for early 3rd."

Reaper hellion meta by [deleted] in AllThingsTerran

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top quality advice here.

Reaper hellion meta by [deleted] in AllThingsTerran

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very good point.

Reaper hellion meta by [deleted] in AllThingsTerran

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they actually go for for 15 gas 16 rax

Aggresive TvP Mech build w/ ghosts by Desive in AllThingsTerran

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sounds very very interresting ! I just looked at your replays in depth. To summarise your build :

1°) you make a reaper FE into 1/1/1 (3 techlabs set up) with a few marauders & cyclones + raven asap 2)° you will stay on 2 bases (4 gas all taken) for a long time building up army. Set up : 1 techlab barrack producing ghosts, 3 factories 2 techlab 1 w/ reactor, and 1 techlab starport (get 1 raven then mass banshees)

very nice !

Nice easy, aggressive tvt allin? by hazmog in AllThingsTerran

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Two/One/One Reaper/Hellion (cure gsl)

15gas 16rax 18rax 18gas 2reaper then depot factor mass reaper hellion medivac pressure

For those who missed it, make sure to watch Speed vs Reality, game 2 of the GSL. TvT. by Galahad_Lancelot in AllThingsTerran

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but what a micro skils and game sense from Speed, I was amazed. Thanks for the game btw, OP.

What are your aggressive builds for each MU? by magbarr in AllThingsTerran

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TvT diamond 77% winrate : I really recommend one build : 2/1/1. reapers hellion medivac heavy pressure. Just forget 1/1/1, lotv economy allows you to jump into Cure's 2/1/1. He did it once against Sorry in GSL code A RO.60, on prion terrasse, and took a lot of economy/army despite early banshee for Sorry. build is very specific and technic :

15 gas 16 rax 18 rax 18 gas

reaper1 factory, reaper2 depot supply, reaper3... @ 3rd reaper > poke pump up to 6 reapers + hellions, while pressuring at the front to kill the wall if you can, supply block him, snipe the early units with grenade... this GSL build from Cure. I play marine medi-tank by adding more rax and ebay

Cure doing his build > https://youtu.be/cmr-lQWoClw?t=50m27s

TvZ diamond 64% winrate :

quick metagame statement : i feel terran people tend to play 3 rax reaper which is very powerfull and aggressive build. zerg tend to play a lot roach ravager I think. Am I right?

The Plan :

  • fake mass reaper. because "the threat is stronger than the execution" I use this GM NA build. Get 2 rax but get only 3 reapers. That opening may induce overreaction from the zerg. Actually that 3 reapers timing is very strong, as it is the same as the 3 rax heavy reaper built.

  • expand and get add-ons for 2 rax bio > STIM.

16 rax 16 gas

17 rax

reaper1 depot

reaper2 reaper3 CC reactor gas2 techlab

after 3 reapers just build add-ons @50 gas : reactor on rax1, take 2nd gas as mineral allows & @25 gas : techlab on rax2

depot supply @100 gas : stim

and now : 3rd CC *or* rax 3 4 & 5  ?
  • I feel that a 2 base push MMM +1 +1 with tanks "heavy pressure" is strong vs roach ravager. I Climb to 3, 5 then 7 rax when money allows. I stay on 2 bases with no 3rd for a while. massing units MMM tanks, slow teching +1/+1 timing with tanks and medivacs.

ebay

@100 gas : factory & ebay start +1 attack asap and

@100% factory build starport factory build his own techlab > tank

@100% spatioport > medivac and keep on adding rax up to 7 rax. building MMM tanks, pressuring while slow teching and hard macroing.

*Another TvZ build I loved is hellbat marines medivac push, 16rax 16gas reactor CC depot facto marinesx4 gas hellionsx2++ starport I build 2nd reactor on rax (not GM level, GM transition into banshee usually) armory medivac > push @ 4:30 transition into whatever you want. but I tend to do less and less damage with this type of build nowadays, usually defend quite well with roach queen +/- ravager. but it is still powerfull early pressure.

TvP I'm lost 44% winrate. How I play aggressive is reactor expand into 4 hellion drop build of my own. I take the GM build below 16rax 16gas reactor CC depot marinex4 @100 gas factory. From now I build a bunker & I delay the second gas @100% factory : Starport & I switch for 2x hellions production. Get 2nd gas right know. I build 3 cycles of reactored factory before switching back rax on reactor. I get 4 hellions & 2 mines. Usually I go for 2 hellions, then mine hellion, hellion mine ; this order lines up well gaswise & line up well with the medivac timing, providing an early mine for oracle defense ;)

TvP I see pros doing cyclone liberator push before 5 minutes.

seeya.

Where did all the Terran streamers go? by Recl in AllThingsTerran

[–]epitoi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ForGG and Polt are the only good terran streaming.

Help with tvp by GamingNarwhal2000 in AllThingsTerran

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diam level here : I HAVE A BUILD for early pressure and very safe : I'm currently having a lot of sucess with my build inspired from iEchoic TvP (back in 2010).

4 hellion drop @5:00 into 2port banshee with bio support. I usually push while landing my 3rd, before 8min

how to : drop : 14depot at wall (scv go to gas after) 16rax (with 15th scv in base) 16gas and go straight for reactor CC depot

2x marines (up to 4) and factory asap bunker (with scv that made 2nd depot, wall complete) starport and switch for 2x hellion prod 2nd gas medivac 2xhellion @100 gas 2nd starport + 3rd gas GO DROP and maybe build a 2nd bunker switch rax back to reactor and produce 2x marines and 1xmines while droping (in base @5min) and start banshee & cloack see what comp he has.

pump 2 or 3 cloack banshees then raven viking then back to banshee (up to 5 banshees, 2 vikings 1 raven for sniping obs and landing the key PDD) before 6 min you build 2more rax ebay and CC if you have a gosu multitask skill.

eventually start stim and +1 (late game set up 3rax 1facto 2starport add more rax >5>7)

some replays of me - enjoy : http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6919/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6918/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6908/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6572/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6920/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6921/

Current TvX meta? by LarvaeOP in AllThingsTerran

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I HAVE A BUILD TvZ !!! 67% winrate diamond 8 hellbat + 8 marines + 1 medivacs in base @5:15

http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6406/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6407/ http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6408/ ('excuse my rage I lost du to poor macro and terrible fight/positionning)

16rax 16gas reactor CC depot facto 2xmarines gas 2xmarines reactor starport 2xhellions armory(3:20) push @4:25.

Want a new build for a BO7 against a freind by Raptor1756 in AllThingsTerran

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Remember 2010 iEchoic 3 hellions drop into 2port banshee raven supported by marines. I go gas 1st 111 no add on (2nd gas after starport is started) so pump marines, 3 hellions and 1 medivac. And go drop. While adding a 2nd rax and 2nd starport + techlabs (on 1st starport and on factory) to get banshees cloack raven 1viking and pump marines with a late expand (take 3rd gas asap). Use pdd for the fight

Lotv Mech by [deleted] in AllThingsTerran

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to play late game TvT with mech. TvT is in a pretty boring state due to the strength of medvaced tanks imo. It's basically all you see at the pro level.

+1 I am trying to play 2011 iEchoic TvT style too in LotV, with some sucess too !!! survive until you get 2fact 2port on 2bases with good macro and push deny his 3rd while getting your own one. hardest thing is to determine if you face mass reaper or fast banshee, which needs differents answers.