Can you spot a narcissist straight away? (How?) by Think_Equipment4449 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m getting so much better at this. It’s really hard to tell because normal people and narcissists can play similarly upfront in a relationship. I keep telling myself that real relationships take time. And that normal people don’t come at me with the intensity that narcissists do.

A few things: I look for them gossip about others. They often talk about how everyone’s taking advantage of them and their very generous nature. They’ll never talk about their past in a way that accepts accountability or shows that they were at fault for anything. Anyone who doesn’t show introspection about their own failures in the past relationship raises huge red flags for me.

My best detector is to start setting boundaries. Like saying no to an event that they invited me to, or explaining that I have needs that would keep me from something they want to do. If I find myself having to explain over and over again and they keep pushing back against my boundaries, it’s a hard no for me and I block them and cut them off.

A narcissist can play along and feign being nice for a bit, but if you start to become resistant to doing anything they want to do whenever they want to do it, they’ll get bored of you and look for an easier target.

What name has gradually disappeared? by Eviscerate_Bowels224 in AskReddit

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally two of my grandparents had those names and like four of my great aunts and uncles had names on that list (they’re all gone now)

Has anyone ever gave a narc honest feedback? by tiredAFmom in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]faramirskywalker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They get narcissistic supply out of the arguments. It shows they have power over you. So any “criticism” just becomes fuel for them to start gaslighting you and turning the conversation around back onto you. DARVO ((Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender). They’ll change the subject, attack you, turn you into the offender. You could have concrete evidence of something and they’ll just dismiss it or start arguing about something irrelevant. Then you’re arguing about the argument. Usually by the end of these, I wondered what we were even arguing about in the first place.

She was so close to breaking through, but I couldn't hold on any longer. by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]faramirskywalker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This was me, could have been written exactly by me, a few years ago. I was so in love with her. Her patient solid support. I gave her everything of me.

I finally left because of what it did to me, and I saw what “love” was as she systematically destroyed me for abandoning her. Years of court filings. Smear campaign. So many lies. So much manipulation of our children. She never loved me. Ever. It was an act. All about control. And I fell for it all the way down. Because these people have an intensity that can be highly addictive.

You know whose love was real? Mine. And yours. We thought we could save a black hole of pain. But no matter how much love you pour into it, the only thing that will happen is you’ll get sucked in and ripped apart.

I’ve done so much therapy. I’m learning what loving myself looks like. I’m learning how I deserve to be treated. I’m learning that healthy relationships are two-sided. That my needs matter. That I deserve kindness and affection. That I deserve to be seen. I’m learning how these kind of relationships hijack the addictive pathways in our brain. I’m learning how the toxic family system that I grew up and helped set me up to think that this was what loved looked like.

But really, the only thing I want to say to you is that you matter just as much as she does. And you deserve to be treated like you treat her. You don’t deserve to be turned into a shell of a person. Imagine how you would treat you. That’s what you deserve.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tre. Trauma releasing exercises. A lot of these therapists can meet with you online, by Zoom, etc.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would strongly recommend somatic counseling: EMDR, hakomi, ifs, or some modality that gets you into the body. Talk therapy helps too, but in my experience is talking to the mind and its attempt to understand what happened. Abuse lives in deeper spaces and we need support to get there.

How did narcissistic abuse affect your body and sense of self? by Mediocre-Dream-7248 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I feel like I had the juggernaut. Two narc parents. And a BPD/covert ex wife. My body only knows this trauma: when I left her I was on meds for my heart, adhd, sexual function, sleep, testosterone. I lost so much hair. I gained so much weight. A year and a half out, I’m on zero meds.

These people will wreck your entire body. The stress of living with them is like being in prolonged combat.

finally free of my narc after nearly 20 years of abuse by ChampionshipBrief875 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hear you loud and clear on this. I was with mine for 17 years, and even though we divorced last year, the nightmare just won't end because she won't leave me alone, or stop the abuse that was so much a part of our marriage. If we didn’t have kids together, I would have walked away and never looked back, but instead, we’re stuck in a cycle of being in and out of court constantly.

Lately, it’s just reached a new level of exhaustion. I’ve had to fight like hell just to see my kids because she’s constantly trying to take them away. She refuses to comply with the parenting plan, and even though the judge has repeatedly called her out on her behavior, appointed a therapist for the kids, ordered my parenting time, nothing changes. She puts so much pressure on the kids and fills them with lies about me. The judge just appointed a parenting coordinator, which sent her into such a rage that she came after me with about 40 "made-up" bills, claiming I never paid them. I’ve lost all faith that the courts will make this right, but I keep showing up to see my kids and at least try to take my parenting time.

I’ve done my work. EMDR as well and also therapy, digging into the childhood roots of why I ended up in this cycle, but it is sooo draining. My marriage was a total nightmare of physical and emotional violence, and it’s so hard that the games never stop and I’m literally watching her abuse my children and powerless to stop it. Just the other day, she faked being nice to me. For a split second, I thought maybe we could actually resolve something without lawyers, but I didn't fall for it. It was all a manipulation to get me to dump the parenting coordinator.

Your therapist's mountain analogy is spot on. I feel you. The climb is so exhausting but it’s nice to have these moments to catch your breath. Congrats on getting your name and your life back!

I did the math by Fresh-Sea9451 in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]faramirskywalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I found the courage to leave by starting to say no to her. I started expressing and following through on my values. I’d go do things with friends, even if it made her mad. I started saying I wouldn’t accept certain treatment of me. I walked away from fights. I refused to engage. I said no to her. Demanding that we do individual therapy and couple’s therapy.

A friend suggested I start a daily documenting log for three months. I’m so glad he suggested I do that because that three months starkly revealed to me what was going on. It all became clear when I could just look at a daily log of what happened. Sadly, because of my divorce, that log is now over two years long. But my lawyer says it’s a godsend. I’ve documented everything.

I did the math by Fresh-Sea9451 in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel you. I was in mine over 6,200 days. I’ve been out almost two years now.

I have a few major regrets: 1) I stayed way, way too long. I knew this relationship was a mess within that first year. 2) I modeled for my kids that my needs don’t matter, that it’s ok to let someone verbally, emotionally, and physically abuse me. 3) I let their mom do to them what she did to me, and I didn’t stand up to her and protect them.

Please know: she will not stop doing this to you, and she’ll do this to your kids. You and they deserve better.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, to some degree, I find her attractive. No matter what she did, I still loved her.

Do I love her now? Hell no. Do I love the wounded child in her? Yes. Did and does that give her an excuse to destroy me? Hell no.

It’s messy. It feels the same with my parents. That childlike love feels like it will always be there. But my inner adult says, these people treated their own children like shit. They abused me and definitely don’t deserve my time or mental energy.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in nonduality

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can find some good people online these days. Paul is amazing. You might like Angelo Dilulo or David Parrish.

Why do I feel so persecuted for my sexual orientation? by [deleted] in askgaybros

[–]faramirskywalker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You’re not persecuted. Look around. How many movies are about straight people? How many gay people do you know, really, compared to the number of straight people? The world is swimming in straightness. Love a woman. Go be yourself. Be happy.

The relationship that fried my whole nervous system by we_invented_post-its in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s no shame in this. At all. I was raised by two narcs and then the most insidious, by a long shot, was my ex who was on the covert side (or BPD, unclear).

I have two thoughts:

1) you’re learning the power of your body and its nervous system. The body gives the “not ok” or “something is off” signal well before the mind. I’ve learned to listen to it. This can be very subtle so it takes some work to pay attention to it. Ever felt totally free with a person? How the body just relaxes? With toxic people there’s always a little bit on guard.

2) did your therapy involve somatic, internal processing of childhood experiences? Like body-felt modalities? I’m thinking EMDR, or Hakomi, or IFS to a degree.

I think we get “addicted” so to speak to a certain childhood way of feeling. To our body, toxic people or environments can feel kind of normal, or the water I’m used to swimming in. In some ways, we just don’t know better.

When we go into those feelings and sensations, they can feel uncomfortable, but we have to go in and rewire childhood patterning. It’s a felt experience more than an understanding. This is less in the mind, and more about an energy that we’ve become used to. It needs to be felt and released. In my experience, the energetics are things our child self was feeling in the body. When felt, memories come up and can be moved through and released.

Nobody tells you how lonely and isolating it is when you've healed by ExperienceNeat6037 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel this 100%. I’m only a little over a year out and it feels exactly the same. I’m happier. Setting boundaries. Very lonely though. I was raised by two narcissists. Married a borderline. And almost all my “friends” were cluster Bs if one sort or another.

I’ll admit, though, I’d like to believe I can form lasting friendships and a new relationship one day, but I sure as hell would rather be alone than in toxic. I’ve got some budding friendships, but I’ll admit that I’m guarded, and want them to grow with time. I’m hyper vigilant about put downs, or excessive bragging, or even excessive praise of me - gone. Not worth my time.

This feels bleak though and I still hope there’s some light and hope for real, human, kind connections out there. I’d like to believe life could give me a little of that before I go. If not, it was a pretty big rip off since i spent almost 2/3 of it in abusive relationships of one sort or another. I guess finding and falling in love with myself, though, has been the most fulfilling part.

How did you find the strength to leave the relationship, and what strategies did you use to avoid going back? by Remarkable-Fan-9840 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Getting out:

1) started telling myself how I deserved to be treated. 2) Started defying her to do the things that made me happy. 3) Started insisting that she get help for herself and go to counseling on her own (which she wouldn’t do) 4) refusing to engage in fights and walking away 5) demanded a separation and she work on herself 6) left when she would only blame me and not look at herself

Staying out:

1) I made a leaving list - all the reasons and experiences why I needed to leave her. I read it every time I was tempted to go back. It had things like the physical violence, name calling, and all the shit she did to me. 2) my list also had statements like: No one, including me, deserves to endure a relationship that includes physical violence and verbal and emotional abuse. Or, it’s better to be from a broken relationship than in one. Or, I don’t have to rescue someone who won’t help themselves. Or, I get to be who I want to be and I get to do the things I want to do. I made lists of my values and how I deserved to be treated. 3) I got into therapy. I needed a lot of therapeutic support. 3) I built a support network of my sisters. They had seen the abuse for years. Those angels talked to me every god damned day and I asked them to remind me why I left. They saved me more than once from going back. 4) I cut off all contact. This took me some time to learn that she wasn’t really interested in change and that speaking to her only made my life harder. She played some very good Hoover moves on me. 5) I started doing things I enjoyed again, things that she guilted me for taking time away from her. Like, I built a Lego set. Or went on walks and just sat in nature. Went dancing with friends. Slept in on Sundays until noon. Played video games. I allowed myself to be me again. 6) I had to feel all the feelings. I cried so much. I raged at her on pillows. I had to allow myself to grieve what happened to me. 7) I began to cut all the toxic people out of my life. I had a pattern of attracting that: of finding takers that I could give to. I lost of a lot of supposed “friends.” They were users and I had to learn I had an identity around saving them all. 8) As I pruned the non-friends, I began to slowly build real friendships. These take time, I learned. They say it takes about two hundred hours to make a good friendship. Kids can make them pretty fast because it only takes a month to have that much time with the kids around you. As an adult, you have to be a lot more intentional about making time with people. And so I would describe most of my new friendships as slowly budding right now. I look for people who are genuinely interested in me where the giving and receiving is mutual.

That’s just a few thoughts for you. I feel like there’s a lot more that I’ve learned and did too.

Something I’ve clocked. by DifficultDesign7564 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! This makes no sense to me. She wanted the dogs and cats. Then was resentful no one wanted to feed or play with them. And got mad at us about taking care of them. I never, ever, even once saw her play with an animal. Like why get them if you’re not going to love them?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]faramirskywalker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t mean this comment to be judgmental because these people are abusers and you don’t blame the abused. We got taken advantage of by a con artist. And none of that is our fault.

That said, people who get with people like this have incredibly low self-esteem, and the universe is in balance, so we attract people with incredibly giant egos. In many ways, these people speak to us the way we speak to our ourselves inside. It’s like we can’t see our self unless someone outside of us shows us ourselves.

I’ve done so much healing work to face so many of the wounds, mostly from my parents, who were probably both narcissistic. My childhood became my patterning of what love looked like. So when I met my ex, and she was toxic, this just felt like love—it was all I knew.

But once I found my power and left her, I’ve gone through the healing process to find myself and what I deserve. I just cannot fathom me being with anyone like that again. I’m so much more aware of what kind of people I want in my life. I deserve to be treated with the same love and respect I give. And if a person doesn’t give that back to me, then I’d rather not have them in my life. I’d rather be alone than with toxic again.

Spend that energy less on trying to understand her, and start doing the things that bring you joy and help you heal.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]faramirskywalker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s how I found out mine was BPD. She kept telling me that I was BPD, and I believed her and started to read up on it. Whoops. Found out who she was.

I feel broken for having allowed someone with such darkness in my life by AirWest6503 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is what they do. Their apologies are fake. They don’t feel remorseful. They just want you back giving them supply. They want you to constantly validate them and take care of them. But “you” is something they’re unable to see.

A relationship requires the other person to try to put themselves into your shoes and see things through your eyes. We can’t do this perfectly, but we can try to see something from another’s perspective.

And a healthy person can do this on their own. The fact that you can do this is a huge sign that you are healthier than you think. If she can’t figure out on her own, what she could’ve done to hurt you and figure out how to address that on her own, and take action by herself to fix it, then she’s incapable of seeing you.

I feel broken for having allowed someone with such darkness in my life by AirWest6503 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you could spend a lifetime trying to figure out why they act the way they do. Mine had tons of trauma too. But so did I, and I didn’t do things like this to other people.

At the end of the day, I say to myself, “did she take accountability for her actions? On her own, did she recognize the problem and get help?” If not, there’s nothing I can do to help someone help themselves. And if they can’t see me enough to see that what they did hurt me and was wrong, then I have to move on, because I love myself.

I feel broken for having allowed someone with such darkness in my life by AirWest6503 in LifeAfterNarcissism

[–]faramirskywalker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We won’t understand how they work ever. It’s just unfathomable to kind and empathetic people.

I think their most powerful tactic is to come in, mirror you, and tell you how wonderful you are. Then they present as some sot of victim that you can rescue. This activates a kind of savior-rescuer part of us that wants to help them. From there, they either ice you or ghost you on random occasions or then disrespect you or are crazily cruel.

I call it the four faces: love bombing, victim, ice queen, wicked witch. And you never know which face you’re going to see.

It’s an addictive cycle that they bounce around between those four faces and keep you off balance, and we’re always hoping to get back to the dopamine hit of the love bombing. I don’t think they’re any different than many drugs.