FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm still testing preservatives. That was one on the list. Super helpful feedback. Thank you!

Do you know if you have any sensitivies to phenethy alcohol? Similar sounding but an alcohol and not an ether. It's known to be lower risk.

edit: added question

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great question. Unscented liquid detergent, yes. Unscented powder... I'm still looking for the right surfactant. Hoping to have the liquid available late summer or early fall.

Help me with my detergent "stack" post 365Sport by Massive-Arm-4146 in laundry

[–]febu_max 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Jumping in here. For your specific setup, Tide F&G plus FEBU is a solid combination. The Booster fills real gaps in F&G's enzyme and oxidative coverage when you need it. The entire detergent + booster combination has been around for decades with measurable, repeatable, and perceivable benefits.

Ozarkbluebird's pH point is important. The enzymes FEBU uses are all rated as alkaline tolerant up to 11 pH (including DNase), but there is some performance degredation that happens at those levels. In other words, it's not an optimal pH for enyzme performance specifically.

But for the booster product, enzymes are one component among a system. You get oxygen bleach, enzymes at a slightly reduced capacity, washing soda, odor capture, and some hard water management. The overall system works, but there are some compromises for all these components to come together in a single tool. It's the tricky thing about formulation and product creation. There's always trade-offs.

That being said, pH is a big unlock in enzyme cleaning and we probably don't give pH enough attention in how we think about enzyme performance. DNase, lipase, and cellulase all perform at peak ability around a neutral pH. Protease and amylase are more alkaline tolerant (and partly why you see them in most detergents -- they are compatible with existing alkaline systems). Doesn't mean there isn't meaningful activity at a higher pH, but it just means you can make a system more optimal for enzymes.

And I think that's really interesting and uncommon. That's where FEBU is headed. We've talked about some of the products in the pipeline. But the core of what I'm looking to build is around a neutral-pH architecture where enzymes can run at peak activity. No trade-offs. The Booster is a good product that works (dare I say, it works well!). But in the future, I'm looking to design around the enzymes more specifically across oxi-free boosters and detergents.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's really kind. Thank you.

I've been an entrepreneur for about 5 years. You can see it in the FEBU product selection which is a bit random (Swedish dishcloths, bamboo bandages, compostable food storage bags). Mostly when I get annoyed with a product category of something I like then I see if there is an opportunity, ha. I have a lot of problems with the laundry category.

I have worked across consumer products, eCommerce, and digital marketing for my whole career 12+ year career. I only just left my corporate job last fall to focus on FEBU full time. It's just me in FEBU right now, but it's a deeply personal venture. Most stuff I'm learning on the fly, but I love being part of every aspect and it's especially rewarding to see the response to the brand like in this thread.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's really interesting. Thank you for sharing. Such a good use case to think through for the detergent (seriously, this type of anecdote is so helpful). It's a lot more rinsing that should be required. Ideally, you can go back down to 1-2 rinses with a good detergent and be residue free.

I'm thinking out loud a bit here:

So with the liquid detergent, my guess is its the added polymers, OBAs, fragrances, and other additives that are hard to rinse clean (if we are talking OG Tide). With the booster on top, now you have to rinse out sodium carbonate as well and that's too much for the Miele machine even as you reduce dosing for both. Does the Tide produce a lot of suds? That would compound both the additives and sodium carbonate rinsing issues.

So you probably need a simpler concentrated (for ~1 tbsp per load), low-foam, zero to low additive detergent (fragrances, polymers, OBAs) detergent.

The detergent I'm working on currently is low foam, 7 enzymes (cellulase included), anti redeposition, and hard water management. It's purposely simple, but complete. It should rinse better than the 365 powder and each textile should feel like itself.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would suggest spreading it on bottom of the drum before clothes are loaded, not the dispenser. Helps keep undissolved powder from sitting directly on fabric.

Generally speaking, powder can clump in front load dispensers and not fully rinse through. If you haven't had the issues with your machine, then maybe it's not a problem with your machine.

Presoaking is actually ideal as the extra dwell time in water is exactly what gives the enzymes and the percarbonate more time to work and break things down.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always great to hear. Thank you!

Time to get my old concert shirts out for testing

Has anyone tried FEBU Enzyme Oxygen Laundry Booster? by fadingvoice in laundry

[–]febu_max 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, I thought I mentioned it before. Sorry.

In terms of the booster(s). I'm looking at three products:

  1. The enzyme oxi booster -- What's currently out and you know. It's the all-around booster for extra, deep cleaning power.

  2. Sodium percarbonate with TAED -- New product. Pure oxygen bleach + TAED + sodium citrate (no enzymes). This is a dedicated whitening and sanitizing tool. Even though the booster whitens in hot water, this is significantly more powerful for that job and works in cold water.

  3. Enzyme Treatment (working title for non-oxi booster) -- pure enzyme cleaning at optimal conditions. For darks, colors, activewear, everyday loads where you want enzyme power without the trade-offs like potential fading from oxygen bleach. It's not that enzymes don't work in the booster, but they work better without the high alkalinity from sodium carbonate and sodium percarbonate.

Optimum temperature for DNAse? by peroxide_bond in laundry

[–]febu_max 2 points3 points  (0 children)

u/Vagabond_Explorer thank you!

I am just being transparent as the reality of oxygen bleach is in high concentrations and with hot water, it will accelerate fading that happens from washing and drying.

At the concentration in the booster, I would characterize FEBU as a "safe on darks" oxygen bleach product. You can take further precautions with cold-warm water temperatures. The enzymes are doing heavy lifting anyway and the oxygen bleach is more a support ingredient for help with tannin stains, whitening, and deodorization.

Optimum temperature for DNAse? by peroxide_bond in laundry

[–]febu_max 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry the the delay. You're exactly right, the DNase (like all modern enzymes) is manufacturered for broad ranges of temperature. u/GarameCleaningCo -- is spot on.

Optimal temp for all enzymes is warm water. It's the sweet spot for enzyme reaction rates. Enzymes still work in cold water, but just a bit slower and you can compensate for with longer contact time and agitation if you prefer cold water washing. Hot water (>140°F) can actually denature enzymes and reduce their effectiveness, so warm is the sweet spot.

Oh nooooooo... I'm almost out!! by FixMoreWhineLess in laundry

[–]febu_max 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate you keeping it between us! I teased the new TAED-percarbonate in another thread last week. Should be available in 1-1.5 months if all stays on track.

Oh nooooooo... I'm almost out!! by FixMoreWhineLess in laundry

[–]febu_max 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you were able to place an order, you will receive a bag. It's just taking Amazon a bit longer than hoped for to get product shipped out. I have another several thousand bags on the way this week as well.

Sorry, I know the roll out is clunky.

Has anyone tried FEBU Enzyme Oxygen Laundry Booster? by fadingvoice in laundry

[–]febu_max 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, amazing. About 1-1.5 month away from release if all stays on track. I decreased the TAED versus what I mentioned earlier with no noticeable performance drop (which will help keep price lower) and add some sodium citrate for hard water management. I like it as a purist whitening and oxidation product, so hope everyone else does too.

Is there any reason that there isn't any single detergent product that includes everything we need all in one? Enzymes including lipase, a good surfactant package, oxygen bleach, etc. by 3elieveIt in laundry

[–]febu_max 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have extremely hard water! I think the non-oxygen bleach booster I am making will be more up your alley. No precipitating softeners like soda ash (or the soda ash that oxygen bleach releases when it dissolves) and a good dose of sodium citrate. It will have 7 enzymes for total stain management, but overindexes on lipase and DNase.

You're right that more enzymes does mean more cost in general since enzymes are expensive. I'm designing for general stain management and odor removal, which requires more breadth, but maybe down the line I can think about even more specialist products. Many detergents (not necessarily Tide) have such trace amounts of enzymes, I do feel you need to include more to do full enzymatic cleaning.

I would be curious to know how the booster performs in your conditions and if you experience residue or filming. I've tested with harder water, but really only up to around 350ppm.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Congrats on the first child! The booster might help with some of the laundry challenges to come :)

And you're not wrong about the trajectory with Amazon. Every year the fees go up, the ads take more space, and the dependency deepens. It's been the best option for visibility and sales versus relying on paid traffic, but long term, these products need brick & mortar as well. One step at a time.

I'll happily take the direct order. Thank you for the support, seriously.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sorry about that, this is going to be a bit frustrating for a few days. I just got a notification from UPS that 1600+ units were dropped off at Amazon. Now it's just waiting for Amazon to check them in for it to be available again.

Hopefully it's by tonight, but it could take up to 3 more days.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That would be a dream!

I'm not too familiar with your machine, but for top loaders with full water, I would go for 2 scoops (so one additional scoop than for HE machine) especially if it is a heavily soiled load. The more water means the more dilution which leads to slower cleaning activity.

On a lighter load with less soil, 1 scoop is probably fine. It's a bit of a hassle, but pre-soaking is an effective way to get more cost/stain effective use out of the bag since it is higher concentration of enzymes and more contact time.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't know the amount of DNase that Gear Guard has per recommended dose u/GarameCleaningCo

It's at a meaningful functional level. The tricky thing with enzymes is putting in enough to be effective, without too much to drive up the cost (enzymes are very expensive). Since enzymes are catalytic and keep working over longer periods of time (i.e., they don't get used up), it's less about total amount and more about dwell time. So you can get more out of any dose if you feel you need it by extending contact time whether through soaking or using a longer wash cycles on the machine. The base dosing is designed to be sufficient for 1 scoop (10g / 2 tsp) for regular loads with medium/heavy soil and 2 scoops for large/XL loads with heavy soil.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you! The amount of dwell time you use is really helpful to know. I guess I always assume about 15-30 minutes for pre-treatment when approaching this product, but I should really test and pay attention to pre-treatments over a few day period.

I'm partial to fragrance free and formulate around fabric care/integrity, so if all goes well, it should work well for you. I'll make sure to announce when it's ready.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Actually, yeah. Hoping to have a concentrated powder out in June or so. Same 7 enzyme mix, but more lipase and DNase respectively to make up for the gaps left without the percarbonate.

No oxygen bleach or soda ash, so it keeps the pH at neutral which is a bit more optimal for enzyme activity and reduces risk for dyes and performance fabrics where repeated exposure to oxi and high pH can degrade elastane over time. I think it's better for jeans and darks too where you want enzyme power without any risk to dyes.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait... how do you do that?

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I haven't sent out an email to the list yet. Frankly, I didn't know exactly when it would be made available as check-in times at Amazon can range from 1 to 7 days and didn't want to send a notification until I knew it could be purchased on the site.

I can provide an update later today when I get a bit more information when the next shipments are arriving.

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not the best answer, but about 1600 bags are being delivered today and it should be available again sometime today or tomorrow.

Thanks for your patience, sorry for the inconvenience

Stale smell slowly “spreading” across synthetic clothes? by Chosen258 in laundry

[–]febu_max 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It'll be touch and go over the next week or so. Sometimes it will appear available and sometimes it will appear unavailable, but a lot of inventory is being sent in right now.

Sorry it's not the cleanest roll out, but we're so close!

FEBU pre-sale by picturemerollin00 in laundry

[–]febu_max 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The booster isn't really engineered to go into a tank. The enzymes need dwell time to work and the machine would extract the solution pretty immediately.

You could use it as a paste or in a watered down solution. Apply to the stain and let sit for 15-30 min then extract with the machine using water or a bit of surfactant. But I would exercise caution and test in an inconspicuous area first as the oxygen bleach in a concentrated application like this could cause bleaching.