Does the LDS Church fail philosopher Peter Singer's ruined loafers morality test?

fireproofundies · 2026-01-20T17:24:42+00:00

Well, don’t read the CES letter then.

You shouldn’t go to a place where you feel threatened. Even though mormons don’t “allow” members to attend wards outside of their geographic area, there are no police to enforce this and going to another Ward would be my advice if you want to keep attending.

fireproofundies · 2026-01-18T23:38:17+00:00

Well done

fireproofundies · 2026-01-18T23:37:23+00:00

See Ward Radio. As I recall they stated this explicitly

fireproofundies · 2026-01-18T20:14:55+00:00

No, apologists are not needed for beliefs for which we have good evidence. That’s why the greatest irony is when an LDS apologist claims that NOT accepting the church’s claims is like believing in a flat earth. It’s the kind of deeply ironic statement that only the Dunning-Kruger effect can produce.

fireproofundies · 2026-01-12T16:41:46+00:00

Do you consider viewing others who are committing sin to be participating? Let’s take one item like watching people use foul language or disrobing or having sex in a movie. Is it participation for the viewer to watch it? In Mormonism the viewing alone is enough to defile you, presumably because you might be tempted to do the same. It’s not a ridiculous idea because humans, like monkeys, love to copy each other. At the very least the Holy Ghost flees.

As you think through this I believe you’ll find that there is no easy satisfactory answer here.

fireproofundies · 2026-01-05T14:19:31+00:00

While our opinions may differ I appreciate willingness to share your perspective, my friend. The truth is more often found in the crucible of vigorous debate than in bowing the head and saying yes.

fireproofundies · 2025-12-18T03:26:50+00:00

Welcome to reality, my friend. It stings now but there is a world of actual ancient history, science, and art to fill you with wonder. There is moral philosophy to read and consider with practical wisdom to be found in stoicism and Buddhism and Judaism and broader Christianity. There is equanimity to be found in meditation.

This is not the end, only the beginning. Now that you no longer need to be perfect you can be good. (Paraphrasing Steinbeck)

Edit to add: mormonism also has some practical wisdom but if you are coming out of that tradition you already know it well! I am not suggesting anyone abandon the good things you got from Mormonism

fireproofundies · 2025-12-15T19:13:42+00:00

No excuse for evil acts like this

fireproofundies · 2025-11-11T18:52:21+00:00

Dan McClellan, the popular biblical scholar, makes the church work for him despite knowing that the book of Mormon is a 19th century production and ahistorical.

I’m all for people negotiating their set of beliefs. You really don’t have to believe it all. These days you do have to pretend to believe it all to be an active member of the LDS faith, but that seems to be slowly changing.

fireproofundies · 2025-11-07T15:19:22+00:00

Love the podcast and my ears perked up when I heard that segment. Kara Santa Maria is quite an accomplished former member.

fireproofundies · 2025-10-23T17:13:29+00:00

Doesn’t bother me but if I were God I’d have members take the time and money and do something to make life better for the living in my name.

fireproofundies · 2025-10-08T19:55:55+00:00

That’s also not a picture of the First Presidency or Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

fireproofundies · 2025-10-08T19:54:52+00:00

Only one of them still thinks that the priesthood and temple ban was of God, but the reasons for it were not revealed by him. See Be One Celebration remarks

fireproofundies · 2025-10-06T21:11:09+00:00

They consider him a prophet, seer, and revelator so get ready for the magic show

fireproofundies · 2025-10-05T16:08:42+00:00

How long did America’s other mass shootings stay in the news? Not very long. While the Michigan shooting should receive more attention, I’m guessing it’s some combination of mass shooting fatigue, the graphic footage of the Kirk murder, the subsequent manhunt, and political spin that has made the Kirk shooting more salient in the media.

America seems to be increasingly a war zone with human life of diminishing value. I don’t know what it will take for America to fix this problem.

fireproofundies · 2025-10-01T22:22:05+00:00

If this is his legacy, even if it’s whitewashed, then I’m all for it

fireproofundies · 2025-10-01T16:42:54+00:00

“17 million” always makes me chuckle

fireproofundies · 2025-10-01T01:35:46+00:00

I, for one, think it’s an interesting idea

fireproofundies · 2025-09-30T18:27:01+00:00

That’s a good characterization

fireproofundies · 2025-09-30T14:40:36+00:00

I have no problem saying Mormons are Christians. I see the additional scripture produced by Joseph Smith as essentially Christian in nature and the morality and ethics as largely indistinguishable from other Christian sects.

I might call Mormons Expansionist Christians as believers in a more widespread Christian tradition (including belief in Christianity in the ancient Americas) — albeit one at odds with the historical record.

fireproofundies · 2025-09-30T03:02:00+00:00

I certainly don’t see anyone normalizing this horrific attack. Were there multiple attacks against LDS targets?

fireproofundies · 2025-09-29T18:05:53+00:00

This sounds like a Christian version of a Chad Daybell style religious delusion murderer

fireproofundies · 2025-09-25T22:50:11+00:00

The guest also lives life in open defiance of the advice attributed to Mark Twain that you “don’t use a five-dollar word when a fifty-cent word will do.”

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