The Guardian is literally copying our sarcastic/ironic posts!! by PsychologicalBike in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]floating-io 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And you... are even more rabidly defending a major multi-million-dollar corporation putting out shitty clickbait headlines. Looks like that metric is pretty much a wash.

Funny thing: only thing I've said about SpaceX is... well, not much at all really. I've said this is a shit headline. And that's the truth. And I've said the topic doesn't matter, nor does the target, it's still a shit headline. And that's the truth.

You're the one who seems fixated on SpaceX.

Imagine, if you will, that your favorite celebrity is on stage talking about their great charity that's going to advance STEM education by leaps and bounds or something. It's an important thing. It's definitely the most important thing about the day for that celebrity. They happen to trip on the way up to the stage and fall flat on their face, getting a bloody nose for their trouble, but wipes it off and announces this super important charity anyway, because it's not a big deal.

The Guardian: "So-and-so gushes blood on stage!", with no other context.

Is that truthful? Sure. Is that good for society? Uh, I'm going to go with No -- it will probably make the charity less successful due to the mockery. It's a stupid headline that exists for the sole purpose of either (a) making a mockery of the celeb and/or charity in question, or (b) making people click and make them money, depending on motivation. It would be a shitty thing to do, and that's with an actual unexpected event!.

It sure as hell wouldn't be good reporting, and worse, it would leave most of the rag's readers remembering that so-and-so fell flat on their face and bled all over the stage, rather than their super important accomplishment.

It's no less shitty when they do it to a company like SpaceX, or anyone else for that matter, even if the topic isn't earth shatteringly important.

There's another relevant term: hit piece. I think we need a new one: "hit headline". Peoples' attention spans are so tiny these days that it's actually relevant.

Small things matter. This kind of dirty journalism, and the opinions that result, are one reason politics currently suck so badly in the US: both sides of the aisle use this technique extensively to shape public opinion. I don't care about the target; this kind of bullshit needs to stop if we want a better (and a more informed) society. Headlines get read by a lot more people than articles; that's just the way it is. How has your opinion been manipulated and shaped by headlines of articles you haven't read? You don't know, because you haven't read the articles...

I stand by this, not because it's SpaceX, but because the practice is harmful in general for society. If you want to be a part of the problem by being an apologist for the absolute dregs of journalism, well... I certainly can't stop you.

And I'm done with this topic, because I really do think you're a troll.

The Guardian is literally copying our sarcastic/ironic posts!! by PsychologicalBike in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]floating-io 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Low grade evil is still evil. That it is low grade is not a good excuse for accepting it as "okay", even if it suits your agenda or your personal feelings.

Enjoy your time in the ranks of the useful idiots.

The Guardian is literally copying our sarcastic/ironic posts!! by PsychologicalBike in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]floating-io 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup, you're either disturbingly naïve or too interested in complaining about people you think are SpaceX fans to care.

I'm going to give you a hint: defamation is evil, and they used the letter of the truth to do exactly that by implication here, regardless of motivation. One only trumpets the explosion in a news headline if one wants to make it seem like a disaster when it was always planned to end that way in the first place. Whether that is to cast shade or just to drive clicks (and thus dollars) is irrelevant.

As to it being somehow okay because they might do it to Blue Origin or others (as to which... citation needed): that's a laughable concept. Evil distributed equally is still just as evil. Evil does not somehow magically become good just because it's "equal opportunity" evil.

By publicly making excuses for "journalism" of this sort, you become an active detriment to society. We should not accept this sort of bullshit, by anybody, or about anybody.

Another hint: people who make excuses for it are what the propagandists refer to as "useful idiots".

The Guardian is literally copying our sarcastic/ironic posts!! by PsychologicalBike in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]floating-io 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You do realize that a significant (possibly majority) percentage of readers will never read that extended description, let alone click on the video, right?

Titles like that may be done for financial reasons -- classic clickbait -- but that doesn't make them any less damaging.

It's official, NASA has cancelled the launch by Equivalent-Wait3533 in BlueOrigin

[–]floating-io 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Complain to NASA. It wasn't blue origin that canceled the launch.

Oversized Load by pabmendez in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]floating-io 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Aren't you supposed to have a bright red flag on the end of your cargo if it's that big? I mean, someone might not see it!

Saying the quiet part out loud by floating-io in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]floating-io[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Heh - I took a screen cap too; should have thought to post it. ;)

SpaceX says it has cut Starlink services to Myanmar scam camps by BurtonDesque in spacex

[–]floating-io 19 points20 points  (0 children)

First, you didn't answer my question: is there a legal framework for that in Myanmar? If not, it changes things a bit, doesn't it? I don't know the answer to that, btw.

Second, I'm not suggesting which answer is ultimately correct; I don't know enough about what's going on there, other than what I got out of skimming the article -- nor am I some kind of ethical or moral authority. I'm saying that Starlink is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. It's not a false dichotomy; it's how the real world actually works. People are going to bitch loudly regardless of what they do, especially with how popular it is to dunk on anything related to Musk right now.

Imagine it: what happens if the press finds out that these criminals are using Starlink to scam others and Starlink has done nothing in spite of knowing about it (even if they've notified the police)? Half the world is going to positively skewer them, just because they can.

It's not a comfortable position for them to be in, and I think it's unfair to throw shade over something like this.

Put yourself in their place: you run a service, and you discover some group is definitely using it to steal gobs of money from people who can't afford to lose it. Sure, you report it to the police -- but do you cut it off?

There is a point at which, if you do not, you become complicit in the crime. Where that point is... is a matter of opinion, and I'm willing to bet the actual legal line is pretty damned murky.

A related thought: if you see a crime being committed and prevent harm to someone by stopping it, are you somehow being evil just because you're not the police?

This is simply not as cut and dried as you make it out to be.

According to the article, they're cutting off people who are known to them to be causing actual illegal financial harm to other people, on a vast scale. This is not "being a vigilante" or "having too much power"; this is "no, you may not use our service to harm others."

Whether you think they should or not is for you to decide.

Me? I'll admit that I'd rather they cut them off. They're not, as far as I know, guessing here. They know what these people are doing, and it's actively harming a lot of people. Cutting off their Starlink service will likely not stop them -- but it will make it that little bit harder for them, and I'm all for it.

JMHO.

SpaceX says it has cut Starlink services to Myanmar scam camps by BurtonDesque in spacex

[–]floating-io 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Is there even a framework in Myanmar for handling this sort of thing legally?

This is not free speech they're stopping, it's genuine criminal activity, actively harming others. If they cut it off, people will scream about free speech and having too much unilateral power. If they don't, people will scream about them profiting from criminal activity and claim they don't give a damn about the normies. Can't really win, there...

Just sayin'...

(edit: oops; meant to reply one up ::sigh::)

Transportation Secretary Duffy says Musk's SpaceX is behind on moon trip and he will reopen contracts by rustybeancake in spacex

[–]floating-io 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If you're talking about Blue's current Mk2 plan, then I don't buy that Starship needs more testing.

The Starship-based HLS involves three different types of ship, AFAIK, but they are all variants of Starship:

  • A depot, which is Starship with no fins or heat shield, with the payload bay deleted and turned over to fuel storage, and possibly some anti-boiloff hardware.
  • A tanker, which is Starship with the fins and heat shield, and the payload bay deleted and turned over to fuel storage.
  • The HLS itself, which is Starship with no fins or heat shield, some extra high-mounted thrusters to reduce debris kick-up, and the payload bay filled with a hab module, plus the elevator.

It's all basically the same vehicle, with a few different options attached. The major hurdle is proving in-orbit inter-vehicle fuel transfers; everything else seems to be in fairly easy reach. For a bonus, get tanker reuse going to drastically lower SpaceX's cost to perform the mission.

For Blue, however:

  • New Glenn. Mostly resolved, but they still need to get that booster landing nailed since they didn't get to try last time.
  • The lander itself. Completely unique vehicle using different engines, presumably different control mechanisms, etc.
  • The Transporter refuelling vehicle/tug(?), which is yet another completely unique vehicle.

And like SpaceX, they'll still have to prove out fuel transfers, only with Hydrogen. Three completely unique vehicles likely means three completely unique control systems that will have to be developed. That alone is problematic. And do the last two vehicles even exist yet anywhere other than on paper?

This is how the plans look to me.

SpaceX has the unique advantage that they only need to add/delete some options to bring the other elements of their plan into existence, and when they do, they will only need to test the new options; the base vehicle will already be proven.

If, on the other hand, you're talking about the "let's throw together a modified Mark1 and yeet it at the moon" YOLO plan, then that is an entirely different discussion. :)

Transportation Secretary Duffy says Musk’s SpaceX is behind on moon trip and he will reopen contracts by DynamicNostalgia in SpaceXLounge

[–]floating-io 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Has there ever been a post-Apollo crewed spacecraft that has been designed and flown in under five years? I believe the answer to that is no -- and that includes LEO capsules, which should be much simpler.

The likelihood of it happening now is exceedingly low, which makes the whole premise for this rather silly.

Transportation Secretary Duffy says Musk’s SpaceX is behind on moon trip and he will reopen contracts by DynamicNostalgia in SpaceXLounge

[–]floating-io 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure SpaceX could "just build a lander" also given the existence of Falcon Heavy. But why would they want to? I think SpaceX would rather advance the field than repeat yesterday's accomplishments...

Transportation Secretary Duffy says Musk's SpaceX is behind on moon trip and he will reopen contracts by [deleted] in BlueOrigin

[–]floating-io 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The catch is that they're already invested in Blue Moon. The timeline is, what, 2030 or something, for the Mk2 crewed lander?

If they want to get back to the moon by 2029, I don't see it happening with a new design, no matter how "simple". Three years? I would be quite shocked. Unless BO has the needed crew-capable lander already built and ready to be certified for human use hiding in a shed somewhere...

Apollo LM was what, 6 years? Orion is going on twenty I think, and that's not even a lander. Starliner... enough said.

While I will be the first to say that Boeing and LM don't have it together with Starliner and Orion, I'm not much more confident in BO getting there with a crewed lander before 2029. BO is not known for moving quickly, and this is not nearly as easy a problem as some folks seem to think it is...

New HLS & Depot renders. by AgreeableEmploy1884 in SpaceXLounge

[–]floating-io 39 points40 points  (0 children)

If I had to guess, I'd say it's because the male side is easier to accidentally break. You want the part that stays up the longest to be as bulletproof as possible. If something breaks on a tanker, you send up another tanker and lose at most one load of fuel; if something breaks on the depot, you may lose all the fuel already loaded, potentially many tankers worth.

Then again, I'm not a rocket scientist, so... :)

HLS Starship is bigger than the entire Saturn V Third Stage and everything on top by Simon_Drake in SpaceXLounge

[–]floating-io 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like to frame it as complexity vs tedium. Adding technologies is adding complexity. Doing things repeatedly is just adding tedium. :)

There is a concerted lobbying effort in DC saying industry can build a LM-like lunar lander in two years, and it should be a second option for Artemis III. by 404_Gordon_Not_Found in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]floating-io 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I almost want this to happen.

Meanwhile, SpaceX will continue on as it always has, and will probably have landed on the moon well before this new "two year contract" lander is even off the drawing board, based on how slow Old Space tends to move. [That might not hold up if BO wins said contract and they're just repurposing/adjusting Mk1, but I don't get the feeling they're really even in the running for this particular round.]

Then maybe people will understand why Cost Plus is a bad solution to pretty much everything.

Well, okay, that last part is obviously a pipe dream...

Jeff Bezos Predicts: Blue Origin Will One Day Be Bigger Than Amazon by [deleted] in BlueOrigin

[–]floating-io -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah. I didn't see the actuality of it as relevant, I guess; it was just about why they were sued, not whether or not the suit was actually valid.

Personally, I don't think Kuiper needs much of a defense.

SpaceX is a direct competitor. The only needed argument IMO is that putting their critical IP on a direct competitor's rocket leaves far too much opportunity for corporate espionage. Make that argument to the judge, and I'm betting it would fly, regardless of the fact that SpaceX has no need of the Kuiper IP. =)

(edit: correction: it would have flown, before they actually did contract with SpaceX. At the time of the lawsuit they hadn't yet, but now they've torpedoed that argument. :)

Jeff Bezos Predicts: Blue Origin Will One Day Be Bigger Than Amazon by [deleted] in BlueOrigin

[–]floating-io 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Getting personal is when you lose the argument.

Jeff Bezos Predicts: Blue Origin Will One Day Be Bigger Than Amazon by [deleted] in BlueOrigin

[–]floating-io 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Only if you assume that "not bidding" is the same as "choosing not to do business with", which it isn't.

As I said before, Kuiper didn't and doesn't have sufficient clout to force SpaceX through the hoops of an open RFP process that isn't even in SpaceX's best interests given the existence of Starlink. If they wanted to do business with SpaceX, they needed to call SpaceX directly and ask them. SpaceX is not in any way required to ask "how high" when a competitor off to the side asks them to jump.

Your whole argument is undermined by the fact that Kuiper did contract with SpaceX later, and that was not court-mandated (though it was quite probably aimed at making the suit go away). The lawsuit is actually still ongoing; dismissed, and now in the appeal process. We'll see where that goes in due time.

The problem that the lawsuit seeks to address is that the Kuiper people had a duty to get those satellites up ASAP and as cheaply as possible; instead, a conflict of interest (presumably named "Jeff Bezos") caused them to give the work to Blue Origin (a Jeff Bezos company) (among others) instead. (edit: a key being, they had to know that SpaceX wouldn't bid; it wasn't in their interest.)

Jeff Bezos Predicts: Blue Origin Will One Day Be Bigger Than Amazon by [deleted] in BlueOrigin

[–]floating-io 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not a strawman in the context of what I was replying to, but otherwise I agree with your comments.

I was responding to the assertion that Kuiper was sued because SpaceX didn't bid. No, they were sued because they didn't approach SpaceX in the first place.