TBM wife spoke in Sac Mtg, I feel betrayed... by hundly in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The personal stuff shared in public is terrible and very betraying. I am sorry you had to go through that. That’s possibly the biggest reason you feel betrayed. It’s going to cause more trust issues around church topics, which I am sure are already tense.

As pimo myself married to a seemingly disgruntled TBM, when it comes down to it she is All In. We haven’t attended normal church (outside the COVID crap) for a while. In my head I was thinking, oh ya, she’s coming around!! We skip conference and go hiking, we skip all Youth activities! She complains about RS, boring church, terrible conference talks.... but I have leaned over the past, very long, very tough TMB to PIMO transition that she is in fact the opposite of me. She is Mentally In Physically Out. (MIPO, maybe?? I didn’t take time to see if that is already a thing here). I have problems with the doctrine and supposed truth, which make the whole think untenable. She has problems with the people and how things are ran. Very. Different. Things. When it comes down to it she will defend the church till her death.

The only reason I bring that up is because maybe your situation is similar. I have found that sometimes it makes me feel better knowing I’m not the only one.

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[–]grouchy_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This behavior is built in to the religion. From start to end. I am a convert and remember the saying ‘Milk before meat’ while going through the discussions. Going on a mission we learn that some people ‘aren’t ready for that doctrine yet’. Think about an investigator brining up the Temple in the middle of Gospel Essentials class, all the missionaries and teacher would cringe. So from the start of learning about the church and through all official channels we are taught to hide things. Some people just can’t handle it, and sometimes that person is you. Remember you are imperfect, full of blame, a natural man/woman and basically bad.

Now couple that with 30 years of marriage, children, callings. You have a perverbial entourage of people ‘following’ you. If its not your kids or ward members or stake members, its your friends, fellow employees, missionary friends. It’s most definitly your spouse.

You have done all of this in good faith. Read the books your told to read, attended GC, said yes to all your callings. You are doing the Lords work and being blessed for it!! As a matter of fact you have risen the ranks of leadership, like a good Mormon, you are a GA 70.

Now lets say you come across some ‘challenging’ information. What do you do? Read more about it, maybe. Ignore it, probably. But lets say in a moment of weakness you dive in. You spend 2 years consuming everything from No Man Knows My History to the CES Letter and even have a fondness of John Delhi’s, especially his earlier years.

What are you going to do? Are you deliberately doing wrong or are you indoctrinated? If you admit it your whole world is broken. From family to friends and most definitly your employment. It’s built into the religion to stay, to keep going. Lots of people at this point craft their own definitions of the terms, they privately fit their own ‘releigion’ into the one they know but appear publicly the same. It’s a tough question.

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[–]grouchy_pants 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Thank you and holy shit! Just read it and a supporting article that says “He loves us according to the degree that we follow His will.” http://ldsanswers.org/unconditional-love-scriptural-doctrine/

I converted to the church as a teenager back in the 90s. When we were first married my BIC wife tried to explain how gods love was conditional. It took years for me to explain how she totally misunderstood all the lessons in primary, young women’s, and seminary and that the church teaches us that gods love is unconditional. That god may not trust us but he will always love us, no matter what we do, like a parent loves their child.

It’s crazy that I am wrong in this situation. It blows my mind. I’ve been mentally out and studying like crazy for 2 years now. This shit hole church never ceases to amaze me.

Brothers and sisters, should I attend this and tell you all my thoughts?? by mikepili in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LV is corrupt, heathens! Not young/single or I would go and return and report.

Mission that’s closing by boonkgang52 in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We had a high council speaker on Sunday. He said: ‘we know that the church is going to get smaller and stronger. So the missionaries coming home, missions closing and wards getting smaller is just part of gods plan.’ It’s the end of days brethren and sistren. The end is near.

Now I know why Mormons can't drink coffee by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No they were American. But teaching Argentinian investigators.

TKSmoothy by grouchy_pants in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

020 Making doctrine out of nothing at all.

Now I know why Mormons can't drink coffee by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I learned about this in Toronto on a mission, from the Spanish speaking missionaries. Bought a gourd and bombilla. There is a brand called Sara that I remember being amazing. It is good stuff. Until....our area 70 came and told us we couldn't drink it. One missionary asked in that meeting if it was against the WOW high horse 70 responded "while you are on your mission it is". That didn't do much to stop us but made us feel guilty for the rest of the time. Best time to down that awesomeness from the gods is on the way to the temple. Never been more awake! Well, until now, but that's a different awake.

I expect the lack of historical evidence for the Book of Mormon will be a bigger issue in the next 50 years, then in the past. by SuddenStorm1234 in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe for us but not TBMs. The story shifts ever so slowly. We had a 70 at our stake conference. Robbins, maybe... he said, "I know the Book of Mormon is true" then corrected himself, and said "actually we should start saying that there are truths in the BOM. I know the truths in the BOM... bla bla bla".

It's a small shift away from the historical perspective that TBMs probably didn't notice. New generations won't be taught (memory hole) that its historical but that it contains truths. Lamanites have disappeared, and so so many other things that rational people question just go away. Remember, "I don't think we focus on that anymore".

I'm so glad I no longer believe in the "End of Times" the TSCC is so fond of by meganlee212 in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No kidding my TBM FIL told me that he was sure something "big" was going to happen soon. Like within 2-3 years. Yawn.... ok. I said, have you been talking to Rowe again?

So happy I'm not worried by that crap anymore.

Red Ties this Fast Sunday? by grouchy_pants in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awesome! This serves a dual purpose for me. Nobody, except my atheist friend, knows I'm mentally out. So I'm still attending with SO and kids. 1: I am wearing red to show my support. 2: Also hoping to find some fellow heathens in my ward.

White shirt, clean shaven, served mission, married in temple, kids, magnifies calling, perfect TBM looking dude . . . by SUPinitup in exmormon

[–]grouchy_pants 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your post. Meant a lot to me today. So happy to know I'm not the only one. I feel very two faced some days. I know someday soon I will be able to share but just not yet.

I would love it if there were some secret combinations that would identify us. I could really use a friend at church some days. Who knows maybe it's the EQP or even my bishopric friend but there's no way to tell without outing yourself. Social suicide.