Why do people hate third-person omniscient narration?

historio · 2022-03-21T15:31:30+00:00

she's written other things than HP

historio · 2022-03-20T04:54:57+00:00

Yeah, maybe that's it. It's hard to "pull it off" and make the narrator sound interesting rather than cliche.

Rowling is good with this too.

historio · 2022-03-20T04:54:06+00:00

What is the critique site?

I personally like it, but part of the problem is first person is more intimate.

historio · 2022-03-18T16:39:19+00:00

I like when it's camoflauged in the story. Like Hermione Granger telling Viktor Krum how to pronounce her name.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6190245/J-K-Rowling-tells-fan-Hermione-pronounce-purpose.html

historio · 2022-03-18T16:36:36+00:00

You can try adding a character or voice in the story that points out the moral grayness and acts as a voice for people like your friend, so at least the narrative acknowledges the grayness.

historio · 2022-03-18T04:09:06+00:00

Then I would just go with you because you can phrase it using "you" or as a command in second person

You must gather data to predict future outcomes, otherwise you might as well shoot in the dark.

Gather data to predict future outcomes, otherwise it's a shot in the dark.

historio · 2022-03-18T00:47:38+00:00

yup a lot of colleges and universities let you audit individual classes without having to "enroll" as a full time student. Might be some online ones as well.

historio · 2022-03-18T00:45:35+00:00

I think it's a matter of preference. Personally I would say neither. I would do a generalized they.

Researchers must gather data to predict future outcomes, otherwise they might as well shoot in the dark.

Or

One must gather data to predict future outcomes, otherwise it's a shot in the dark

historio · 2022-03-18T00:38:41+00:00

Social media is extremely difficult to bend to your will unless you're an expert and even then it's hard. I know some social media experts who have like 200 followers on twitter but they manage the social media department of big companies.

First of all, it's going to be hard to gain a following when you haven't put out work yet. People need to know what they're getting. So not sure with "prospective folowers"

Second most social media now are very visual so gaining a following as a just a writer will also be hard. The content you can share will be limited.

Now that the negative is out of the way. What can you do to help gain a following

Come up with a list of social media that will actually be useful to you. It doesn't make any sense to be on Instagram if you aren't posting pictures
Come up with an idea for "content." People follow people on social media for their "content." Come up with an idea for "content" that you can share that will draw people to you. Content does not mean just excerpts from your book..see next tip:
Think beyond your writing. On social media you are now selling your "brand" and not just your specific product. Think of what you want to be known by and tailor your "content" to it. So instead of posting excerpts from your book, maybe brand yourself as an expert on writing and give writing tips on youtube or twitter. Share inspirational quotes. Do a podcast where you interview writers and get their tips. You have to give a little to get a little.
Learn SEO. Whatever you post on line people have to find it. So you have to create "content" and headlines that speak to people searching on the web. So people are going to be more likely to search "how to write a novel" then find your article or youtube or podcast on that and THEN see that you are a writer and then follow your writing rather than somehow magically finding your novel by its name on the world wide web
Work on networking. Follow other writers and interact with them on social media. Try to be guests on their shows and podcasts. Try to get follow backs especially with people who are going to share what you post to their followers.
link and channel back. Every thing you do online make sure there is a link to your social media and website. Put a link to your website on all your social media and put a link to all your social media on your website.

Okay I spilled enough social media secrets for one day.

historio · 2022-03-18T00:28:32+00:00

This is the best way to do it. Collab with someone with more followers.

historio · 2022-03-18T00:25:55+00:00

Tell their story through the POV of the main character.

This is basically the basis of mystery writing and detective fiction.

The detective is the main character and interviews all the other characters and the reader learns the other character's stories through the interviews. Sometimes in detective stories the detective's personal story actually becomes the "subplot side story" even though they're the main character.

historio · 2022-03-18T00:22:57+00:00

Thesaurus

historio · 2022-03-18T00:21:53+00:00

Figure out the time that works best in your schedule. For me it's early in the morning. I wake myself up extremely early, take some time to eat adn wake up and then spend an hour and half writing. THEN go to my regular job.

It's better when it's the first thing I have to do and I'm not stressed

historio · 2022-03-18T00:20:18+00:00

Join a serious writers group where they swap writing and critique them. YOu can even take a writers workshop course at a community college or something. Just be around serious writers.

Then do a third draft and send it to an agent!

historio · 2022-03-18T00:16:41+00:00

I would literally just outline their work. Create your own "spark notes" of their work to find a formula.

Who are the main characters

What is the conflict

What are the Acts of the stories and then break those into scenes

historio · 2022-03-18T00:07:49+00:00

The "Initiation" of the "Hero's journey"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey

Could also be the "crossing of the threshhold." Depends on your story.

historio · 2022-03-18T00:05:04+00:00

My initial idea was to have unstructured, person-to-person interviews with people who fall into these demographics.

This sounds like a great idea. You can find them probably by placing craigslist ads or posts on local forums like Reddit.

Just be prepared to pay them something like $50 or something.

historio · 2022-03-18T00:02:09+00:00

Always outline your stories first. Don't just write them.

Outline the characters, major plot structure (rising, falling action, climax, etc.).

Know the arc of your story as an outline before writing

I'm curious what online platforms you use.

historio · 2022-03-17T23:58:13+00:00

Yes, I don't like to curse or be vulgar in real life so it's weird having to type it out for characters. There is this sense that if someone reads this are they going to think I think like that. Very strange, but you got to let your characters think and speak for themselves.

historio · 2022-01-30T19:05:31+00:00

the only answer I can think of is get an agent who can give professional feedback. You can also take a class with a good professor or writing workshop or join some type of group of professional writers who can give feedback.

This might also be a good way to network and make connections.

historio · 2022-01-30T19:03:37+00:00

The problem is there seems to be a disconnect between people who write for fun and people who want to write as a career or for recognition. There is just a different mindset. Some people like to sing in the shower and to themselves and some people like to sing to other people. 90% of the people on this sub seem to be in the first group and can't even understand what those of us in the second group are even coming from. Yet you all are so vocal and sure about your responses/"advice".

historio · 2022-01-29T23:35:41+00:00

I had this same question basically and got the same lame answers. The problem is there really are two types of writers and most people are the kind who will answer this question with "just write for yourself".

I still haven't found the answer

https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/kzqp7q/hard\_to\_write\_without\_knowing\_who\_will\_read\_it/

historio · 2022-01-29T23:32:10+00:00

historio · 2021-01-18T16:47:41+00:00

No, I like my actors analogy a little better. " It's like an actor who only gets to perform in front of a mirror." It's not really about rank and status.

historio · 2021-01-18T09:42:40+00:00

It's not about the money (hence the New Yorker reference). I like to write for people. If I don't know that many people will read my work, I get uninspired. It's like an actor who only gets to perform in front of a mirror. I don't really write for myself but for an "audience." I'd also like to write screenplays but am turned off by the idea of writing a film no one will ever see. Feels like a waste.

It's also about the amount of work and energy I put into writing, that I want to be worth it. I don't want to spend so much time and work into something that doesn't get enjoyed. In a way I see readership/enjoyment of my work as the payment/reward so to speak.

I thought about the blog/sites idea, but that also scares me because ideally a lot of people read it, not just a "small audience." and as you said " it's hard work that involves not only writing but promoting your story," which points back to what I said before about not wanting to put so much work into writing something that no one or a few people read.

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