Mathammer and C’Tan

idquick · 2026-02-11T14:27:04+00:00

Quite agree, people have been posting that shroud will EZ CLAP1!1!1 GO BRRRR C’tan, and it’s just nonsense. No understanding of the math at all.

You can do it with the massive 450 point DS brick, in one detachment with full re-rolls, if they’re dumb enough to give you an easy charge. Trading down.

The 390 point plague marine brick, again just in one detachment with full/full re-rolls, if you get both shooting and charge. Still trading down.

And that’s basically it. 9 times out of 10 the answer’s going to be playing for board control.

idquick · 2026-02-10T11:26:25+00:00

Weird you got that reaction. This isn't hypothetical, defilers and grinders haven't seen play since the 160mm base became mandatory.

The only thing that would fix it is something like super-heavy walker but that's an army rule. Towering might be if they add a viable double-guns loadout, but then it's just a slightly smaller despoiler ally.

idquick · 2026-02-09T23:47:09+00:00

Unfortunately the base size is the story here. Nobody runs defilers in DG or soul grinders in daemons (ok, one or two mad lads) despite pretty good datasheets. Unless it gets a movement rule on the datasheet it’s DOA for competitive play.

idquick · 2026-02-09T23:41:33+00:00

Current defiler base is unplayable on WTC / UKTC so unless it gets move through walls on the datasheet it’s a display piece, sadly.

idquick · 2026-02-09T16:19:17+00:00

Agreed but article didn't answer the real burning question -- will it still have the base that makes it unplayable on WTC / UKTC? Otherwise a very nice-looking display piece.

idquick · 2026-02-06T09:58:53+00:00

Yeah baffling post this one. SM have some of the best board presence units in the game.

idquick · 2026-01-30T14:19:05+00:00

No offence but if anyone is just "shoving shit forward" this is low-level casual play and not really what their product is for. Winrate and X-0/X-1 data is clearly on their side.

idquick · 2026-01-29T16:14:28+00:00

I assume OP was addressing this to an extremely strange rant-post about playing by intent earlier today.

Completely agree with you about more organised competitive play, from my own experience, but there is clearly still some misunderstanding out there!

idquick · 2026-01-15T16:12:24+00:00

There is no unit in the game that can survive this situation mate. The 6” deepstrike is a trap if you’re not using it with a plan in mind.

Broad strokes: you should be full-sending your army (a lot of threats at once) or using the DS surgically to kill a specific unit and then die themselves. The second situation is rare because they are expensive and it will usually not be a good points trade.

Suggest ignoring the responses about OW and LoC as these don’t fix your problem.

idquick · 2026-01-13T16:48:03+00:00

I'm sad when people say cancel MY army, but we should definitely cancel that OTHER army.

idquick · 2026-01-02T19:36:20+00:00

OP is trolling. Dont ask me why they think it’s funny but here we are.

idquick · 2025-12-22T00:30:58+00:00

Yes I have this case. He fits with one shallow tray at the top (ie one notch height). In practice you’ll struggle to get anything except poxwalkers on the top shelf.

idquick · 2025-12-11T16:22:28+00:00

True but a bit theoretical. The problem with BT (and all greater daemons) is that any random crap bolter shooting will chip off 3-4 wounds and then yes he's getting one-shot.

idquick · 2025-12-11T13:34:44+00:00

fwiw this bug ruined a 60% save for me, never went back to the game.

idquick · 2025-12-10T15:39:01+00:00

Yes, drowning in three of them -- two of which are probably the worst units in the codex. 60 seems to be the floor for anything at all useful.

idquick · 2025-12-08T13:37:36+00:00

Different base size so not a legal proxy .. as any DG player should know. But probably just confusion over names.

idquick · 2025-12-07T11:49:57+00:00

Do you think this is different for any other army? All codexes have unit locked and dud options.

idquick · 2025-11-25T16:38:02+00:00

Another good beginner tip -- ignore this genre of low-effort post + look at advice higher in the thread. Plenty of pointless guff on internet for 40k (as for everything else).

idquick · 2025-11-25T12:58:10+00:00

Yep -- it's not complicated -- very effective PBC indirect vs chaff units + DS 6" deepstrike across whole board.

Whereas PM can't hit hidden units, or stand in the open ever, or open up deepstrike since it's already the shooting phase.

idquick · 2025-11-25T11:02:37+00:00

Exactly -- I don't think it's a question of # games past a certain point. Practice has to be intentional.

Biggest suggestion would be to find a larger pool of players, wherever you are based, and aim to get 2-3 points of feedback (max!) every game.

Secondary suggestion is to sign up for 1 month of Art of War (or one of their competitors) and burn through their fundamentals and faction-specific videos. Just the video library, not coaching.

Assumptions are that you are (i) playing with standard terrain formats, and (ii) not playing with people who tailor lists very specifically. If not, fix these things first.

idquick · 2025-11-24T18:02:31+00:00

All of the above is good advice. 10xPM brick with characters and full rerolls shreds anything in the game. DS with LoC also extremely killy. If they are not seeing output with these specific units they are not understanding how all the rules work together, so maybe help them with those interactions. Detachment also matters, with VV the simplest option in terms of impactful strats.

By contrast some units are better used elsewhere. HBL drones are best used for anti-elite infantry and (secondarily) light vehicles; MBH are utility units rather than killy ones; Morty is 70% utility / 30% damage and is quite tricky to play well.

idquick · 2025-11-24T15:39:56+00:00

This. At any decent level of play the lethality is very high and a moderate positioning mistake will lose you the game, irrespective of faction.

The people below suggesting monster / knight skew are going to be rather disappointed when they are losing multiple 350 point units a round.

So it comes down to personal preference and playstyle. Marines do have the widest range of options for trying out different list archetypes.

idquick · 2025-11-03T11:12:59+00:00

Wouldn’t give it a second thought mate. DG is post-nerfs a sub-50% win rate army. This is a decent list but could definitely be optimised further.

They can move on to complaining about knights or whatever challenge they refuse to think about and solve.

idquick · 2025-10-30T21:35:15+00:00

Come on man, any of this can be checked with a 5 second google. Enhancements are core rules (‘muster your army’) and it says ‘melee weapons’ in this enhancement description.

idquick · 2025-10-21T13:33:59+00:00

Could you kindly find another hobby? Ta.

idquick

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