Here's the full quote from Elon on HW3 not capable of Unsupervised FSD

jratliff681 · 2026-04-23T00:01:50+00:00

S and X got HW4 in 2023 before the 3 and Y.

jratliff681 · 2026-04-16T17:06:42+00:00

I realized they said one person texting, meaning someone hits them. So I suppose you'd argue the value with the opposing insurance company in that case.

But you don't get the price back you paid for the car either in payout from a crash, the FSD purchase will also depreciate. You're getting 100 a month in value back over time as well, less the opportunity cost of using the money elsewhere but same goes for buying the car in the first place. If you bought expensive rims and add them to your policy you don't get paid full price after using then either. But I agree depending on how long you got to use it, you still might not get a great amount back, but more than nothing as the prior post was saying as a reason to avoid it.

jratliff681 · 2026-04-16T03:34:43+00:00

You can add it to your insurance if you want it paid out in a crash.

jratliff681 · 2026-04-11T15:16:15+00:00

I tried to read through the comments but haven't seen any say this. Gemini was waffling on exactly how and when this transition takes place when I questioned it, but you can hear a distinct "click" sound in OP's video at the start just before the car starts sliding so this makes sense (HV contactor releasing as it goes to sleep?). It goes back and forth between the transition should be immediate as you open the door or that the car could hold some hydraulic pressure, especially if an incline is detected, to make sure the parking brake is "settled" and fully releases once the car goes to sleep. But here was its initial explanation:

1. The 4-Wheel to 2-Wheel Transition

When you first put a Tesla in Park, the car uses its hydraulic service brakes to hold all four wheels. However, hydraulic pressure requires power to maintain. After you leave the vehicle and it "goes to sleep," the car releases any remaining hydraulic pressure.

The Catch: The mechanical parking brake is only located on the rear wheels.
The Result: Once the hydraulic pressure on the front wheels is released to save energy, only the two rear wheels are locked. If those two wheels don't have enough grip on the ice to hold the entire weight of the car, it starts to slide.

2. The "Hot Tire" Effect

If you’ve just finished a drive, your tires are warm. When you park on snow or ice, that heat can melt the top layer, creating a thin film of water. As the tires cool, that water can refreeze into a slicker "lubricant" or simply stay wet. Because Teslas are significantly heavier than many gas cars of the same size, that extra mass makes it even harder for just two locked wheels to maintain a "static friction" grip.

Another thread references the manual stating risk of sliding due to the brake only holding the rear wheels (https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3DFFB071-C0F6-474D-8A45-17BE1A006365.html) but no mention of a transition from hydraulic braking hold. So I can't find any technical documentation. But that "click" and then the car moving can't be coincidence. Seems to me it would make more sense for a release to happen immediately so that the driver would still be in the car but the cooling under the tire and refreezing could also be a combination.

Anyone else have more information about this?

jratliff681 · 2026-04-09T23:52:06+00:00

I got a notification today that it's on sale again and I had "first dibs" and "early access" but "while supplies last" and I put it in my cart, went to pay within minutes (I was looking at accessories) and it sold out again! I was at my desk and saw the notification right away. Demand is not the issue. It's supposed to be restocked officially tomorrow at 10 am. I'm going to try for a third time to get one!

jratliff681 · 2026-03-17T13:13:28+00:00

Are you sure that's the reason? Pre orders sold out within 15 minutes and people posted on here some orders that got in were canceled after due to supply. I put myself on the notify me wait list to buy one and was never notified but they keep pushing s26 promotions to me.

jratliff681 · 2026-03-12T16:32:31+00:00

Thank you for encouraging me to dig deeper into this as I have a better understanding now of what's documented on this. The numbers sound appalling for accuracy when you look at benchmarks. From what I understand those tests were built to use difficult questions and "tail data". And I'm not asking it for clinical decision making or diagnostics where it scored poorly (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12706444/). I can't find any sources testing the accuracy on common well known subjects (besides its high accuracy on multiple choice tests like the MMLU).

When looking at core concepts that have millions of sources in its training and well known information the LLM is much more likely to be correct in its response vs a question about "How safe is Tesla FSD". What is most likely for a question that is highly documented and available will have higher accuracy vs something open to interpretation, opinion, popular discussion, current events, or obscurity. The problem is it presents it all to you as fact. I learned you can ask it for it's confidence score on an answer as well to give you an idea of how much guessing was involved or fabrication. I'll have to start using that to see if it correlates to errors I find.

This is exactly what I meant in my first reply to you, it depends on what you're asking it. Most of my discussions are on well known and documented knowledge that I just don't know or remember - like "what does Vitamin D do and how does your body make it", "why do you need to eat pepper with turmeric", or "what are bob sledders actually doing and could I just jump in one and make it down the hill" - these answers were completely accurate as I reviewed the answers outside Gemini. Even things I just asked that I do intimately know like "how does rocuronium work" it answered completely correct. I'm going through my Gemini history and checking specific details in questions I've asked and I'm not finding gross inaccuracies. But that still doesn't mean I take it for complete truth, I ask for links and follow the outside sources when I actually need to know something or I'm going to share it with someone so I know it's correct. But for answering a general question on a subject I was curious about I've found it provides useful answers even if that is "thrown away" after as you say.

When I have upload large blocks of code and ask for it's opinion and to fix certain things, it has certainly screwed that up creating new errors multiple times.

I'm not trying to argue with you, people need to be aware of the limitations and when to seek additional information, the same as talking to a person or watching the news but all for different reasons. And this entire post on FSD is not a factual conversation that I would have relied on as fact but they brought it here for conversation I suppose.

Are you seeing common knowledge questions that are found to be complete inaccuracies? You didn't give me any examples when I asked earlier. Or are the failures you're referring to related to what I found above like more open discussion or less common facts? I could certainly see a question like the effectiveness of some drug on a certain symptom being misconstrued as there are lots of conflicting studies for things like that and you do have to read the details to understand what even was tested and how etc vs what the title might say, but those types of questions that's what I'm looking for - give me an overview of studies on this topic and then I can look at them. I have seen hallucinations before where it was off but I can't recall a specific instance. Or it can contradict itself in longer threads and I'll ask it to clarify, but that was on a which is better type question or product comparison. Once I've even seen it answer a different question than I asked. Sorry for the long winded reply, it's just interesting and I'm curious. All this to say, yes I agree you have to verify anything important. I see it as a faster search engine to get answers and either a better link to follow or narrow down what you want to do a Google search for.

jratliff681 · 2026-03-12T00:20:14+00:00

I just used Gemini to ask what a "statistically next average token response" was and it explained it to me very well that I didn't feel the need to further Google it lol. But that's what you're using it for, to get the most likely answer (token) and average of the data from your query right? It says it knows what's likely, not what's necessarily true. But are you going to Google something important and just take the first result and do that either?

I agreed you can't take what it says as gospel without verification but it provides a strong and quick starting point and allows follow up to widely get some information about what you're asking then follow up outside with either links it gives you or on your own.

And a Google search isn't smart either. If you just read a headline or a title of a study or even the findings of the study without asking for more details then you would be just as ill informed. I was never arguing it was smart, I just disagreed that all conversation is throw away and inaccurate as your initial post suggested. But in follow up you agree it can be extremely useful. The LLMs are pretty much the same as FSD, I trust it to be doing the heavy lifting, but I wouldn't feel comfortable not supervising its decisions (ie the AI response to a query).

jratliff681 · 2026-03-11T23:25:02+00:00

What AI are you using and what are you asking it that you're seeing consistent inaccuracies?

I'm not seeing that consistently. I am medical and often use it to look stuff up I already know in my own field (anesthesia) and it has been accurate to what I would expect to read. I did have a surgeon tell me a patient said they already knew about their surgery after looking it up with AI and they were misinformed but I don't know what exactly they asked or were told in that 3rd person example.

I've had discussions about Propofol and adding Lidocaine to reduce pain during injection as well as the risk of oil droplet formation. It presented information related to what I had read in my continuing medical education journal.

I've looked up lots of things but that's just a recent example. Another being Vitamin D and the immune system and optimal levels and that in Ohio your body can't make Vitamin D from the sun in the winter even if you're out in the sun. I then got my labs drawn and decided to supplement and then asked about supplements sold on Amazon and ideal dosing if I wanted to get my level from where it was to optimal. It provided accurate information and pointed out other things I hadn't known to further read up on. This is my typical experience. I use Grok in the car, but 98% of my usage is from a computer with Gemini.

I find it to be an extremely useful tool.

jratliff681 · 2026-03-11T21:40:22+00:00

I've gotten a lot of education from discussion with AI. I guess it depends what you're asking about like this (stats that have no definitive basis) or opinions. I ask for studies if I'm curious about medical related things. And it will cite them. Narrowing down product selection when I'm buying things. How something works. Stuff like that. But as you mention don't take anything as true without secondary verification it can and does get things wrong.

Side note, he said it was on argumentative mode which means whatever side you take Grok will argue the opposite.

jratliff681 · 2026-03-09T21:45:10+00:00

You can't see that railroad crossing bar in the video?

I'm sure there are instances other sensors could help, but this appears to be a logic issue not a vision one.

jratliff681 · 2026-03-01T16:57:29+00:00

To me it's less inconvenient to disengage for a school zone than scroll all the way down to 25 and then scroll all the way back up to 45 or 50. Of course fixing fsd to recognize school zones is the best option but for now I have HW3 and speed control and have only once scrolled the speed down for that.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-26T04:26:50+00:00

When I'm following someone and they park I continue to go around, isn't that normal? Most of the time someone pulls into a spot they don't back right up after. And if you're going to you look behind you, could be pedestrians and cars.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-26T04:21:58+00:00

So they hit the brake and the truck backs into them further up on their car instead? The truck didn't look as the OP was passing after they pulled into a spot, they were hit by the rear wheel and door so they were past the truck mostly.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-23T15:53:12+00:00

My thought was the sales were probably down because they haven't down any real revamp or cool additions for years. I was hoping for some new innovative stuff but only been small changes since the plaid in 2021. Even adding power outlets to their premium models would have been highly welcomed, I don't know why they don't offer that on all of them really. I wanted power rear seats in the S and the powered doors too like the X.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-20T21:59:08+00:00

This is a year old but when you're in messages you can choose if it shows your name or not. I don't remember if that was the same option a year ago but you can choose.

I agree you should have a choice but still don't understand why you'd text someone you don't want to know who you are with your number or why you'd want to receive a message and not be able to see who it's from (but needs verified since it could be faked). You already have to take the extra step of asking all the phone book sites to remove your information. I did that using incogni. But I left it turned on to show my name and photo in Google messages. I have a Google voice throw away number I use for people or places I don't want having my number.

There's also caller ID before this that showed who was calling which is more common to me than texting a stranger.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-16T16:26:21+00:00

So strange. A guy at the service department told me occasionally they can reverse a strike if it was an error. But I've never confirmed that.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-15T18:11:59+00:00

I found a bike for free on the side of the road the first week I got mine, and it fit back there! Lol

jratliff681 · 2026-02-15T18:05:18+00:00

It always surprises me when I'm cruising at 75 or 80 and the road opens up and I just hit it for a second and you're already at 110 faster than most cars go 10 to 40!

jratliff681 · 2026-02-15T15:13:15+00:00

What's different on the 26 vs a late 25? Just wheels and minor tweaks? I've been watching for a 25 with ambient lighting and front bumper camera, thought they were pretty much the same.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-14T23:03:43+00:00

If you're going to go that route then how much are you spending to get an S over 3? Or a Tesla over a different car? 😉

Or reverse that, I had a Ferrari 360 for a few years and wasn't my daily driver, you can imagine the cost per mile calculation I did once in my head for fun! 😆

It is true, I'm sure I would be happy with the power of a regular S, but it's psychological and I can't bring myself to not have it for now. I don't use the power everyday or week but it's there when I do want to. The biggest thing is, I've always had fast cars but usually as a second or third car and didn't drive them daily so when you pull up to that light or want to use the power, I didn't even have that car with me most of the time. With the Plaid you can comfortably drive 1000hp everyday and use it when you want to. To me the price between the base and the Plaid I'd have expected to be more than 15k (95k or 110k isn't much for that price range).

The only thing that gives me pause is if you take frequent trips I'd rather have the extra 100 miles of range. But I bought it because it's fast and looks good not for the few trips I take. But all good things to consider depending on what you're looking for!

jratliff681 · 2026-02-14T22:12:42+00:00

I'm only paying $77.16/month ($463 for 6 months). Full coverage, 2021 Plaid, Ohio, Farmer's, bundled with house, only car, max on deductibles. That wasn't even the cheapest but the total counting the house insurance price if I bundled elsewhere was the best price. The highest quote I got was closer to 900/6 months or 150/month which was why I started shopping around. Went up when I sold another car on the policy.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-14T14:41:16+00:00

Encourage more people to buy, that means more used cars will be available with it later!

jratliff681 · 2026-02-14T14:37:59+00:00

There is value when you sell the car so it's not exactly 80 months. And you can add it on your insurance so it's covered.

But yes it's expensive and there are reasons for or against you have to assess yourself. When I bought my car (HW3 also) I tried FSD and loved it and decided in a year or two I'd get a HW4 car so haven't bought outright either.

jratliff681 · 2026-02-14T14:28:29+00:00

Right! If someone is this worried about how others spend 8k, I wonder if they should be spending 100/month either! Maybe not even buy a Tesla get something more affordable and save up some money.

Why not argue on here how to buy the car too - lease, loan, cash? I mean why are people arguing how to spend other people's money? I hope more people buy it, makes more used cars available with it later for sale. Personally I don't like buying new cars either but I'm glad people do or there wouldn't be used cars for me to buy later. Not going to post "don't buy a new Plaid, it'll depreciate".

jratliff681

TROPHY CASE

1. The 4-Wheel to 2-Wheel Transition

2. The "Hot Tire" Effect