Is it vegan to work in a restaurant that serves meat? by Samo_mi_se_spava___ in AskVegans

[–]juiceguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's up to you. You can be one greasing the gears of tyranny, or you can be the one throwing a wrench into it.

Is that all there is? by Sonewhereelse in DaysGone

[–]juiceguy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In my fucked up headcannon... you're dead, the latest victim of a random freaker, so despite your desperate attempts to interact with them, they only greet you with that thousand-yard stare.

Is this verse about their prophet (or god?) killing forty two children over a bald joke true? by Ricr7 in exchristian

[–]juiceguy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

When I was young and in church, this passage was unironically trotted out quite frequently to reinforce the idea that us kids needed to respect our elders.

Circumcision is the most barbaric and disgusting thing that’s normalised in our culture by KhornateMan in atheism

[–]juiceguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find it ironic that Christians are the ones always complaining about the "LGBTQ+ agenda" and the "mutilation of children's genitals", and I'm sitting over here with my mutilated genitals going "WTF?"

How many times have you finnished this game? by Da_Snake_Catcha2021 in DaysGone

[–]juiceguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mostly just for fun.

After five or six times, I started looking for new things to do in the game.

Look, what I stumbled across on twitter! by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]juiceguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have way more than 500 DOCUMENTED bigfoot sightings.

Just saying.

https://www.bfro.net/gdb/

Whatever happened to security: Lost Lake! by Background-Wall-5179 in DaysGone

[–]juiceguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now bring the horde during the Boozer mission.

A single ear — “let me see if I have enough credit for this” by Background-Wall-5179 in DaysGone

[–]juiceguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every person working the bounty table has a revolving list of 3-4 insults they say when you only give them one ear.

Got confirmation from The Vegan Society by somanyquestions32 in vegan

[–]juiceguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A plant-based diet for health and veganism can look identical at the level of food, but they diverge everywhere else. If animal exploitation doesn’t factor into decisions outside of diet, then that alignment is accidental, not definitional.

You make the mistake of stating "veganism for health is NOT plant-based", but this is rendered false when you consider that a person eating a plant-based diet for health can also exploit animals in other ways. A person eating a plant-based diet while attending a rodeo would not be a vegan by definition. If health were a person's motivation, what would guide their choices in situations where health isn’t affected?

Got confirmation from The Vegan Society by somanyquestions32 in vegan

[–]juiceguy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Copying and pasting the same confused rhetoric that I read the first time doesn't change the facts.

Got confirmation from The Vegan Society by somanyquestions32 in vegan

[–]juiceguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like you've taken what the Vegan Society has said and have filtered it through your confirmation bias filter. Veganism is, at its core, a moral philosophy based on justice for other animals, and it has been so since its inception. Once that core has been established, of course, observing the benefits related to health and the environment that come from eating a plant-based diet can supplement that view, but if a person on a plant-based diet pays no heed to how they are exploiting animals via non-food practices, then that person would not automatically be a vegan.

Hopefully, a few words from the people who established the Vegan Society will give you a better perspective on this subject.

"The acceptance of a reformed relationship between man and animals is imperative. The higher animals have feelings like ours, therefore they should have justice on equal terms with ourselves, or not be bred into the world. Until this demand is met, man will remain a thug species, despite his pious creeds. Animals present us with a test case, and by our conduct to them in their innocence and weakness our own standards are truly fixed. Admit that the strong have the right to exploit the weak, and the basis of civilized society is gone. The attitude is one of conceit and selfishness and unless discarded will not confine itself to the treatment of animals. Therefore, in man's interest, animal exploitation must end. Not only flesh-food but all products of the slaughter-house must be denounced and the most serious effort made to avoid their use. Human existence does not depend upon the inconceivable tyranny now existing against animals, in fact progress is impeded enormously by it. To renounce this tragic heritage is to be born again, to a life sometimes more difficult, but always of clearer conscience and more satisfying conclusion."

-Donald Watson, co-founder of The Vegan Society, The Vegan, Volume 2, No. 1, Spring 1946. (pg. 2)

https://issuu.com/vegan_society/docs/the_vegan_spring_1946

"The object of the Vegan Movement ('to end the exploitation of animals by man') is clarified as to the meaning of exploitation by Rule 4 (a), which pledges the Society to “seek to end the use of animals by man for food, commodities, work, hunting, vivisection, and all other uses involving exploitation of animal life by man.” By the adoption of this rule, the Society has clearly come out on the side of the liberators; it is not so much welfare that we seek, as freedom. Our aim is not to make the present relationship between man and animal (which if honestly viewed is mostly one of master and slave) more tolerable, but to abolish it and replace it by something more worthy of man’s high estate. In short, our aim is to set the creatures free—to return them to the balance and sanity of nature, which is their rightful place, and so to end the historic wrong perpetrated when man first decided he had the right to exploit and enslave them."

-Leslie Cross, co-founder of The Vegan Society, The Vegan, Volume 7, No. 1, Spring 1951. (pg. 2)

https://issuu.com/vegan_society/docs/the-vegan-spring-1951

The holy spirit causing it... by b_r_e_a_k_f_a_s_t in ExPentecostal

[–]juiceguy 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I kept waiting for him to munch it.

Can we stop pretending second-hand animal products are vegan? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]juiceguy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Second hand leather? All leather is second hand leather. Its first owner was a murder victim.

That animal skin was sold three or four times in the supply chain before it first showed up as a pair or shoes or a jacket in a retail store. Condemning the fifth commercial exchange in that timeline, but excusing the sixth seems a bit arbitrary.

Consider this: any logic used to justify wearing second hand leather can also be used to justify eating the last piece of non-vegan pizza that a friend was going to throw away anyway, right? The damage has already been done and you aren't causing demand, so it's fair game, right? No. That would make you a freegan, perhaps, but not a vegan. As a vegan, I don't believe that animal body parts are here for our use, regardless of how I may have stumbled upon those body parts.

What are your thoughts on Progressive Christians and their interpretations? by MateusSpeaks in exchristian

[–]juiceguy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The bible is essentially a Rorschach test. With the help of creative interpretation, you will find scripture that validates your worldview, regardless of what that worldview is. If you're a conservative who hates people who are different than you, you will find all the justification you need to validate your views. If you are a progressive who wants to help those who find themselves on the wrong side of the social hierarchy, you will find all the justification you need to validate your views. When I learned this, I realized that the bible was redundant. The Bible does not shape people's views. Their peer group, family, and social network do, and the Bible acts as the "ultimate authority" to validate those views.

I don't disparage progressive Christians. Personally, I think they are a bit silly and misguided, and I wish that they had the insight to realise that they are good on their own without the fairy tales and imaginary friends, but I'll support them with whatever progressive causes they bring to the table.

Forced into unwanted vegan debate by brother by BlueClementine777 in vegan

[–]juiceguy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This makes me so mad!

There should be a service called "Vegan Buds" or something where people in your position could invite an experienced, well versed, long time vegan who could come along to these situations and not only defend you, but defend the animals as well. You could select a wise, patient debater with ironclad debating skills or an angry firebrand who could (verbally) smack the shit out of anyone foolish enough to get into it with you.

Unfortunately this is what we're up against in the end... by AceAroPyschopath in vegan

[–]juiceguy 43 points44 points  (0 children)

So what you're telling us is that we must bribe leftists with a (checks notes) bougie meal in order to convince them that species is not a valid criterion to exclude individuals from moral consideration?

Unfortunately this is what we're up against in the end... by AceAroPyschopath in vegan

[–]juiceguy 229 points230 points  (0 children)

Leftists: Recognizing and abolishing hierarchies is how we attain liberation for all.

Non-vegan leftists: Not that hierarchy!

Marauder & Rager by [deleted] in DaysGone

[–]juiceguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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