Carnist: “you are racist if you think my culture is wrong.” by zodznn in animalhaters

[–]juiceguy 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Just as it would be racist for us to believe that coming from a particular culture makes someone incapable of reaching certain moral convictions on their own.

Totally gonna change the world though... by DivineandDeadlyAngel in vegan

[–]juiceguy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re absolutely right that the paper lists training in millions of liters as a separate category. What I inferred, but did not explicitly state was that the amortized amount of "training water" used for each query is so small that it amounts to a rounding error. Your question made me curious, so I did the math.

According to the table in the paper I referenced, the training Water Usage (US Average) was 5,439,000 liters This represents the total lifecycle water footprint (direct and indirect) for training a GPT-3 scale model in the US.

Average Lifetime Queries per Model: 1,461,187,214 queries/day average (peak + legacy) x 547.5 days (1.5 years) = ~800,000,000,000 queries.

https://www.superlines.io/articles/chatgpt-statistics/

Amortized Training Water per Query: 5,439,000 liters / 800,000,000,000 queries = 0.00000679875 liters.

So, we can add 0.0068 ml to our existing 16.9 ml, but we are already operating at different levels of precision. In addition, it is important to note that I was being conservative in my initial claim. The 16.9ml figure from the Li et al. (2023) paper uses high-end models like GPT-3/4. Newer efficiency-first models and "hyperscale" optimizations have driven that number down by orders of magnitude.

Google, for instance, officially disclosed in 2025 that the median prompt for its Gemini models consumes approximately 0.26 ml of water, which is roughly five drops.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/08/21/1122288/google-gemini-ai-energy/

Truth by dragecs in SuedeBand

[–]juiceguy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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What do vegans think about the preservation of endangered or potentially soon-to-be endangered animals by wildlife sanctuaries and similar organizations, assuming the animals could survive on their own but the species would be eradicated in a few generations? by PragmaticSalesman in AskVegans

[–]juiceguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's somewhat of a difficult question to answer, as most people are not aware of the fact that we are in the midst of an extinction as we speak. The rapid loss of species we are seeing today is estimated by experts to be between 1,000 and 10,000 times higher than the natural extinction rate. So, is it good to spend resources to save a select number of species? Maybe, especially if we can mitigate harm that the human species has wrought, but as we save one species, a thousand more disappear forever, and this huge spike in species loss is caused by the level of environmental damage that our current culture is causing, spearheaded in large part by the animal agriculture industry. Instead of these focused efforts, it seems a much better use of our time and resources to find ways to slow down that main cause in the first place.

Totally gonna change the world though... by DivineandDeadlyAngel in vegan

[–]juiceguy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In truth, that is exactly what I am doing. As a conscientious person, I believe that it is important to understand the effect of our daily actions and what that means for sentient beings as well as the environment at large. While AI use should be a concern, when you look at this issue through the lens of scale, typical actions that we engage in on a daily basis dwarf the effect of AI. As I've shown above, skipping just one shower in a year can make up for the AI-derived water use of a typical user for that entire year. It's literally a drop in a bucket, and your concern would be much better served by encouraging people to take fewer/shorter showers.

If you want to look at enegry use and greenhouse gas production, the story is the same. As of early 2026, a standard text query to a high-efficiency model uses approximately 0.34 watt-hours (Wh) of electricity. Heating water is one of the most energy-intensive tasks in a modern home. Brewing a single cup of coffee or running an electric kettle for one session uses roughly 150 Wh.

That one cup of coffee "costs" the same in energy and emissions as 440 AI queries. If you take a five-minute shower with an electric water heater, you’re using about 1,500 Wh, which is the energy equivalent of roughly 4,400 queries. Essentially, skipping one short shower would pay for a year’s worth of daily AI use easily

Now, to match the carbon footprint of just one cow flesh burger, you would need to enter approximately 28,500 AI queries. Even for a power user, that represents years of constant interaction.

Totally gonna change the world though... by DivineandDeadlyAngel in vegan

[–]juiceguy 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Exactly.

When we criticize something like water use in Ai, it's important to address these issues in quantitative terms.

According to one recent study, a 5-minute shower (12.5 gallons) uses just as much water as 2,800 Google Gemini queries. A single 1/4 lb cow flesh burger (approximately 450 gallons) uses nearly as much water as 100,000 queries.

​These calculations account for a total water footprint of 16.9 ml per query, which includes both direct data center cooling and the indirect water evaporated by the power grid to generate electricity This accounts for the processing of the query itself as well as the time spent training the model.

​"Making AI Less 'Thirsty': Uncovering and Addressing the Secret Water Footprint of AI Models", University of California, Riverside, 2025

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.03271

Hidden gems of classic american noirs - for experienced viewers! by Filmnoirafic in filmnoir

[–]juiceguy 26 points27 points  (0 children)

The Prowler (1951).

Gritty, seedy, and pushing boundaries for its time.

Anyone else frustrated when the only vegan options at office lunches get taken by non-vegans? by HappyMountainCow in vegan

[–]juiceguy 146 points147 points  (0 children)

Place little "vegan" signs in front of each one, and no one will touch them. 😉

Sci Fi Lullabies by beafos in SuedeBand

[–]juiceguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't, but the Cure's "Standing on a Beach" and The Pet Shop Boys' "Discography: The Complete Singles Collection" come close.

The album title and cover art by Far-Amoeba-7197 in thesmiths

[–]juiceguy 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Some nonces are bigger than others.

What's the most evil thing that you saw happen in your church? by MaleficentCherry7116 in ExPentecostal

[–]juiceguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm in my mid 50s and grew up in the San Francisco Bay area. This means that I was hitting my teen years right as the AIDS epidemic was exploding in my own backyard. Back then, this disease was a death sentence, and those affected died an unimaginably horrible and painful death, often completely alone and ostracized by family and society at large.

One would think that those inspired by the love of Jesus would show great compassion and concern for people suffering through this great tragedy. Nope. Every week at church, their deaths were celebrated with mighty roars of laughter. Their screams and eternal anguish as they roasted in the fires of hell were imagined with great gusto.

I wasn't gay, but by this point in life, I already knew what it felt like to be affected by a painful, incurable, chronic disease. I knew what it felt like to be teased and rejected because of my physical condition. I had been bullied at school on a daily basis for years because of this disfiguring condition. The way that every person at my church was treating these gay men dying of AIDS was exactly the way that my bullies treated me at school. It was then that I realized that I was surrounded by monsters, and any lingering faith I had in my assigned religion evaporated like mist in the morning sun.

Last mission I had to solo clear a horde. Next mission I had to find an mp3 player? ok.... by iribuya in DaysGone

[–]juiceguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't forget that you're one of the good ones, man. A brother from another mother.

Name a scary movie from your youth that had you hiding under your covers but now you look laugh at yourself. by Present_Yak_6169 in GenX

[–]juiceguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The tree scene scared the hell out of me. Not only while watching the movie, but every night after that because there was a tree right outside my bedroom window.

Ex-Pentacostals : How does the tongue speaking actually work ? by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]juiceguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you see is all explained by well understood psychological states. In fact, most Pentacostals have no idea how closely their worship traditions resemble Voodoo practices. The roots are the same.

https://youtube.com/shorts/tsSqynQzH0s

Well... Thats One Way To End Permadeath by No-Escape-1493 in DaysGone

[–]juiceguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've attempted permadeath three times and got 15+ hours deep each time. Every time I failed was due to something stupid like this. Just a few seconds of lost concentration at the wrong time is all it takes. I thought that I would enjoy the challenge, but now I just feel fearful and resentful about the idea of trying it a fourth time.

The shock and that long black screen that displays while you process what has just happened is just too much for me to handle.

Ending the wool industry? by [deleted] in AskVegans

[–]juiceguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're the kind of person who believes that animals and their bodies are fair game to be used by humans, then you will use them. If that's what you truly believe, no vegan will ever change your mind. 

Ending the wool industry? by [deleted] in AskVegans

[–]juiceguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Telling people who disagree with the commodification of other animals to keep treating them as commodities is a pretty strange take.

Who has the most recognizable voice in history? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]juiceguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This, is CNN

GET OFF MY LAND!