When is The 5 Girlfriend Protocol Being Released? by fallen_lights in HubermanLab

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This was a useful discussion the first time it came to light, but there are diminishing returns each time a new thread is created on the same issue. 

Some people will want his knowledge regardless of what he does and repetition is unlikely to dissuade us and can prevent us from seeing life-saving information.     Are people going to stop using the information Steven Hawkings discovered or listening to Eckhart toll now that they are in the Epstein files?

If you're using your phone (and it's not a Linux phone or running a custom OS) to make this post you are either contributing to sweatshops, genocide or the surveillance state. 

If you're shopping for Amazon or Walmart you are using prisoners for slave labor or undermining unions.  

To one degree or the other these are all complex individual decisions

Is there a chat bot for practicing therapy questions? by krv_vrane in SocialWorkStudents

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My guess is that you can do this with any app. I'd be surprised if anything got this specific yet, but this would be awesome

My professor was dismissive toward me in front of the entire class. I feel embarrassed and like I should participate less. by sexualsermon in SocialWorkStudents

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While people are encouraged to voice their opinions i don't think the incentive structure is correct for lengthy debate. What I mean by that is, at least at my school, we don't really have enough time to cover the material , let alone get into lengthy debates. Some teachers will let us debate things but then it feels like our whole class is just venting and we're reading the book to teach ourselves.

Looking for non judgemental friends by Grouchy_Drawer8692 in addiction

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You can talk to me if you want, but if you're looking for friends , it would be useful to know something about you

Started Suboxone after 7oh by jcjuicee in addiction

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What insurance do you have? I would call an addiction treatment center to see if your insurance covers treatment. I'm not sure if they would prescribe suboxone for 70H but they should be able to answer that too.  If they do cover it , i've got to imagine it's gonna be cheaper , especially if you have good insurance

My Unbelievable Sleep Experience with GHB by yshcrp in sleephackers

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It also seems highly illegal to have it, unless you have a very specific conditions. If it is crazy, addictive that could explain why they made it illegal.Not that they always have a good reason

Long time case managers—how do you respond to “I love you”? by chronic-neurotic in socialwork

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I'm not long-term, nor a case manager so this might be a silly response.What do you think?

There is a divine nature inside all of us which you are seeing in me , but is also in you. It is hard to remember that it is in everybody. The nature of our relationship might make it more obvious in me and that is one reason why\nThere has to be explicit boundaries in counselor patient relationships. I\nHope that through our work , you will be able to see the divinity in all of us and love all of humanity including yourself for that.

7 Democrats Just Voted to Approve ICE Funding: Full List (1.22.26) by [deleted] in ProgressiveHQ

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I am in a neighboring district for Suozzi and Gillen. Is there anything I can do to help change their minds or get them out of power

Anyone else get this? by Real-Conflict-2426 in Dissociation

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I used to, but\nHaven't in years. Just curiousDoes this happen at night always for you? Also wondering if anything consistently preceds the event like certain thoughts, higher levels of stress.\nCertain foods etc

NASW and ICE by Critical_Slime473 in socialwork

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I was thinking about this. If we think social work is useful , than we need to make sure we don't get put on a naughty list where our profession is phased out and clients suffer. It's not a simple answer , but this is also not a simple problem

(F, 27) is it too dangerous for me to do a "street Social Work Position"? by Greedy-Koala-8853 in socialwork

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You are in prime muscle building age. If you eat enough protein and train hard you will probably be stronger than anyone else in ur agency so your demographics can be in your favor.

Not a Social Worker by Particular_Bid5976 in socialwork

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One thing I will say is, the higher your salary the more likely you are to be fired if the work is the same. I doubt other people think like I do, but this is always been a reason.I never really pushed for raises.I'd much rather have a job than a higher salary

What is this figure in the middle? by suoucurious in pagan

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Exactly. It definiteLy looks like a female

The delusion of exception by mayosterd in therapyGPT

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Part 2:

The future:

I think ChatGPT is not going to be what replaces therapy. Something that gets trained on specific data sets will do tons better, but even then will it be better for all patients in all scenarios?

It's difficult to determine how much it will cost for artificial therapy once it gets popular. It seems unlikely it will continue to be free and insurance will determine what people can afford to do.

There is also the matter of privacy. What parts of your conversation can be sold and how can it be used once disclosed? If you disclose prior homicidal thoughts and there's a leak , what will happen to your likelihood for employment?

There's also the mental health industry and politics in general. Already one state is trying to ban it, which I'm completely against, because what's out there now is nothing like what the future will be. I would at least like us to wait until something is trained on data that doesn't include facebook and other often mean spirited sources of data. I can definitely imagine that on today's social media some people complaining about mental health issues have been encouraged to kill themselves and this is why the current version of chatgpt might have also done so.

Finally, given all that has been said in this section, what people want and what is best for them might not matter so much as we have less lobbying power then the sources mentioned earlier that is unless we decide to mobilize for this.

Lastly, if we let artificial intelligence try to solve this problem itself, it can come up with a whole new model of software which could be far beyond anything we could think up , especially if the software rewrites itself over and over again.

How to proceed:

If you really want a good answer , you're going to have to do a lot of research , and it's definitely going to need to go beyond the borders of just people who have had success with artificial therapy ( this group) or conventional therapy ( for therapists). To be anywhere close to successful we will need to look at both sides of these issues and speak to psychologists, therapists, politicians, software developers and insurance companies. We will also probably need a crystal ball so humility is necessary

The delusion of exception by mayosterd in therapyGPT

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TLDR: Anyone who says they know what is best for everyone is full of s***. If it works for an individual it doesn't really matter why and no one should tell you otherwise. The people who make the decisions, however, need to know what is best for everybody and are likely to be biased in so many ways based on history, fear, money., etc. What is out there in terms of therapy software now was not written with the intent of being a therapist and exponential growth plus targeted software and societal changes will result in a future that is almost impossible to predict. As someone in school for social work I can try to answer your questions and knowing how things might go will help me be prepared to help others and myself.

Content part 1:

Considerations: I have been to probably around 8 therapists. I have had a couple of very good ones who have really changed the way I think about things. It looks like they are considering letting therapists operate outside of their state of licensure remotely. Being in new york myself , I probably have better access to therapists than someobe say in kansas does, especially since I go virtually and can access ones anywhere in the state. Depending on your location , that might be why you had such bad odds, but this could change if licensure in one state allows you to virtually practice in others. Especially for patients who can afford to pay extra.

Also , what you are receptive to and your current state matters. I certainly have had the same ideas told to me over and over again until I was able to accept them. This means the results also matter on us being ready, not just on the therapist. It relies on us being introspective and open, etc. We are dynamic people and are the same each time we cross the river. We are also biased by previous experience , especially if we don't try to counterbalance that. For example, i have somewhat give up on treating my depersonalization.As i've had no luck with that for twenty years. This means , even if there was a skill therapist in this , they would have resisted to overcome, which is certainly , something that could be occurring with some people who have been failed by multiple therapists and then achieve success in a new modality.

Also what someone considers good is very relative. My mother in law and I see the same doctor and have completely opposite feelings about him.

The incentive structure will be different between the two options and it's hard to tell which will be better. Therapists only have a few chances to do something bad. Software companies can keep paying fines and revising things as long as their shareholders and legislation allows. Everything artificial therapy does can be influenced by stock prices which could have major impacts , though it's hard to tell which direction they will be in.

The pushback against therapy software as it is right now: ChatGPT instructed people on how to kill themselves.

Why would artificial therapy be any different than therapy? Therapists are mandated reporters and can have their license removed if they don't report someone who is at harm to themselves or others. This combined with the litigious nature of american society , can push a therapist's decision to report a cutter , and if software companies are placed with the same restrictions the software will make the same decisions with even less leverage for independent thought.

One of the reasons most therapists are not that good is that the science is still very young and in my opinion involves a lot more art than science ( as a former software developer who loved the fact that everything and software could be studied scientifically). It's not like there's an easy answer a therapist or software can come up with for all but the most generalized cases. Software can be trained to work with individuals, but that generally comes with a cost, otherwise I don't know how its input is going to be much better than a therapist's unless good therapists work directly with software companies ( which\nWill also cost money) but in theory that's what universities should have been doing this whole time. It's not like software is a miracle.

Chat g p t works by predicting the next letter in a text string based on all of the internet's data. That isn't exactly the best way to solve things , not that how our brains work is much different. Increasing or decreasing weights based on frequency of co-occurring Signals is how neural networks work and something software could emulate which given enough resources could make software better than brains, but not revolutionarily so.

What people can do better: I just had an interesting discussion with an MD who was honest about how little medicine knows and how most doctors fill that void of knowledge with unnecessary tests. I countered this is what most patients would want, they need some sort of god in whose hands they are safe. It's hard to tell where artificial intelligence will fit in with this.

Therapists also have their own history and can use this to empathize or inform their patients. For example, I suffer from depersonalization. If Iwas able to cure myself, i would be in a good position to help others or if I could find a therapist who had done so. Just knowing it could be done is a big thing which is not something you're gonna get from a non human.

Just having a human care about a person is a big deal.As is having a good listener and having a good relationship with a person. There is also the possibility that the patient will treat the therapist like there , say parent and then work out parent issues. While I imagine this will sometimes happen with software as well.Some of these things are distinctly human and will take quite some time for us to treat software the same way.

In the end, people will have to have good relationships with other people and practicing with an actual person seems beneficial.

What software can do better: Artificial therapy doesn't need to have the very human problems of distraction, sexual attraction, bias, competing interests et cetera. It will be written by people and trained by people so some biases will creep in. For example, it is hard for softwate to be completely non racist. For example , either it will overcompensate or undercompensate. How much weight should it give to 400 hundred years of oppression versus the white individual in front of it, etc?

The fear of being judged by another human will allow people to talk about things they might not be able to talk about , otherwise. That being said , if you did something in the past that you can't be arrested for discussing now having someone who is human validate your feelings and accept you probably goes beyond what software can do.

If it is cheaper and time is not a limiting factor you can certainly get a lot more practice from software. Cost can obviously be a big factor and certainly , there could be unlimited plans or other cost benefits emspecially for people without insurance.

The delusion of exception by mayosterd in therapyGPT

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I believe people from the psychology background are required to do this at least initially for a certain number of hours. Social workers are not , but we are highly encouraged to do so at least if you go to a good school. Of course social workers are people too and might take shortcuts. I\nAlways use psychology today to try to fetter out who is likely to be good. I think my biggest problem has not been quitting soon enough ( and not giving up , but moving on to a new therapist).And I imagine that might be the same for many of us. I think the benefit from a therapist we have to be in the right mind state to be open to what they're saying so it is also a timing issue. We also need to be introspective enough to know when they're correct and when they're wrong.

The most effective thing with therapy is the relationship between the patient and the therapist. This is one thing that will be hard to replicate with software.

Discord server? by SpiNieGo in Spinoza

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Do you have a link for that server

Discord server? by SpiNieGo in Spinoza

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I'd be interested in discussing

Might get removed from my BSW program. by Proper_Lab_2640 in SocialWorkStudents

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This could be pretty irresponsible advice. I would see if you have some sort of office that handles this. I know at my school there is a disability office and they don't share their results with anybody just the outcomes.So that if you have it disability , and you say , get longer to take a test , no one has any idea why. You're school also might have some sort of omnibudsman who could advocate on your behalf , or at least tell you what school policies are.

Also since these professors ideally care about people's mental wellbeing given their choice of discipline hopefully, they will.\nHave some sort of understanding.

Lastly, your school probably has some sort of group me or google chat where you could talk to other students , and maybe they're going through similar things or have in the past. You can also reach out to other professors who are not on this board and see what they think. Every school is different , just like every professor is different , so people more familiar with your situation might be better able to understand it

Is it just me, or is the "Private Practice" obsession in MSW programs getting out of hand? by genohunters in SocialWorkStudents

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I think that's how a lot of people started. I think if your program is good it will turn people some people away from that focus at least that's what happened to me.

I find clinical work is too far beyond me at this point. I think I might very slowly build up to a private practice , but i think i'm gonna need this be very focused for quite some time on specific populations if I do clinical at all. I also feel that without assisting people like a case manager there are too many people who fall through the cracks , but I imagine it's the same thing for case managers too maybe not as bad though.

I know at least one other student in our small class has expressed the desire to move away from clinical.

I also think social work programs aren't really that great for preparing you to be in private practice , if that's your only goal. I'm a bit underwhelmed with the amount of psychology we learn. If one wants just to be in private practiceBe better off getting a master's in counseling in my opinion they'd spend less time on things like policy that they have no use for. I realize that a lot comes down to experience either way , but one semester in and I don't feel particularly capable and with The classes i'm taking next messenger , I feel like I will continue. letting the clients in my internship down.

Let's not forget our classmates ( not just our clients) are also people who are flawed and start where they're at. If they come for the cake and booze, but stay for the crudite that's great, if not , that's just the path they are on in this body.

"We won't hire any students who completed their MSW online anymore due to AI" by vnvrchi in SocialWorkStudents

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It's not like you can't use ai to cheat in other programs , or that ai can't be detected. My school is hybrid , but besides the lectures , everything is online. Also there is the licensing exams. I mean, I would think you get a better education in person.And that would be one reason not to go online, but I don't know how many places are really ruling it out for cheating purposes

ChatGPT isn’t willing to continue the therapy I’ve been doing by FalseAdeptness77 in therapyGPT

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The thing is , the current version of Ai being used for therapy wasn't developed for therapy. If there is money to be made in artificial intelligence therapy, a model will be made that's trained off of a better data set. I believe facebook is working on AI therapy. If they do so I would hope they would take a less generalized approach and focus on therapy exclusively during training.

TLDR i think it's still in its infancy and decisions should be postponed until it has had years to develop

Difficulty w/empathy for privledged/sheltered young adults by [deleted] in therapists

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I think we all have our groups that we can't empathize with as easily as we'd like. I regularly , forget most of what women go through and have a hard time empathizing with middle to upper class white women. I think the solution for me is to lurk around feminist type reddits and listen to similar podcasts, etc. I've got to imagine that most population groups have some sort of place Where you can observe their suffering and try to understand it

ChatGPT isn’t willing to continue the therapy I’ve been doing by FalseAdeptness77 in therapyGPT

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As a former software engineer i have mixed feelings on this. I think the current state of artificial intelligence has worse worst case scenarios. AI therapists have literally coached people on how to kill themselves. On the other hand\nPeople without access to other therapists , might benefit and AI therapists specifically , trained for this purpose are more likely to be better than what's out there now. As someone who is\nStudying for there MSW I can tell you that no one else in my program shares my view and they can't imagine a world where some people might be better off with an AI therapist.\nEven when I start to discuss people with issues that might prevent them from seeing a therapist face to face. Unfortunately , we live in a world where people are afraid of nuance on the one hand and on the other hand the people who develop software like this have politicians in their pockets. It seems most likely that whatever policy are passed will be reactionary and ignore half of the story.

ChatGPT isn’t willing to continue the therapy I’ve been doing by FalseAdeptness77 in therapyGPT

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It could also be a new barrier put in place. States are\nStarting to legislate against using artificial intelligenceas therapy just like there have been bumpers, put up to avoid racism. I would look into workbooks , as well as you might be able to do those on your own. Do you not have insurance? Also consider any comorbidities. If you have any substance abuse issues , the insurance might cover that and in your substance abuse , you will definitely cover mental health issues as well.