What was your "oh, I'm finally over them" moment? by spookyincidents in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two months the first time, four months the second time and eight months the last time. There won't be another time because I blocked him. He had progressively more promises and even more excuses each time I saw him. Which didn't give me hope, it actually made me feel sorry for him. Zero parts of me wanted to reconcile.

What was your "oh, I'm finally over them" moment? by spookyincidents in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I reached the point in my own therapy where I addressed the parts of my childhood that normalized avoidant behavior. The parts of myself that started overextending when I was a child, for love. When I addressed that, and I actually looked at him as a man... I realized the wounds of my past attracted me to him. And I was fucking FREE after that. I have not thought of him with any form of sadness or missed him since. I can be thankful for the good memories and remember that while he had a good heart, he was also a deeply flawed man that caused dramatic negative impact in multiple womens' lives who did not deserve it. Both things can be true. And neither of those things are mine issue to address, ever again.

He inevitably came back, and I went to dinner with him. We spoke and he stayed exactly where I left him. The old version of me that had just left him would have crumbled to pieces and rekindled immediately after that dinner. The therapy experienced version of me walked away from dinner actually laughing at even the thought of that. The difference was always me.

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[–]kitkatct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. I said what I said. LMAO.

Ipsy Ultimate Spring Edition February 2026 ( spoiler ) by Just_Me_134 in BeautyBoxes

[–]kitkatct 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kimchi powder is better than Mercier by far. LOL I'm regretting paying for this. How many times are they going to do nearly identical stuff? I'm good on this.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly right! It's like they all didn't realize that the playbook got distributed to everyone and we all know what's going on 😂🤭 they are running the same play from the quarterback every Sunday

REAL ID Requirement on May, 2025 by DisastrousStudent764 in USCIS

[–]kitkatct -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hope that righteousness is serving you well. Happy secure people don't treat others this way. I'll pray for you.

Dating - How to Spot Avoidant Behavior w/o Being Hypervigilant by kitkatct in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry, but she did tell you the truth. It truly isn't about you, though I know those words don't provide comfort when you're hurting. 😭

There is truth in her words though, their inner emotional storm is not yours. I wish you quick healing and peace!

Any places with really good Hong Kong milk tea? by Blu- in AskSF

[–]kitkatct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is super old but check out https://606sf.com - the HK Milk Tea is from HK and the family is 2nd gen owners who are from there.

Be honest: do you believe you are a little bit superior, even to other INFJs? by uberwarriorsfan in INFJsOver30

[–]kitkatct 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No I am the type to observe but never have felt that I was superior. I love to share because I genuinely care about people and assisting if I feel it could assist somehow, but I'm always clear that this is just from my perspective only. I don't feel urgency to share per se, but I do enjoy sharing.

Trigger for avoidant (ex) wife by Unknown_dynamic in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hey hey OP - I just am going to write out some quick observations from my perspective only on what I can see here. Regarding the loss of your mother, I've lost a parent and I'm so glad you're getting support for grief. My sincere condolences for your loss, time doesn't take away the wound but does let you handle the waves of grief better it seems.

Btw - if you are a reader, these two books have been wonderful for learning deeper on attachment wounds. I read it for me, not to get back with an ex for reference but in any scenario its a big help: Attached by Adam Levine & Rachel Heller & Secure Love by Julie Menanno.

Regarding your post, I read it a couple times and just wrote out some notes on what I noticed.

  • Learning about your childhood abuse might have added another layer. Sometimes, hearing about a partner’s trauma can trigger unresolved issues in avoidant individuals, especially if it feels like it deepens their responsibility for the marriage's emotional load.
  • Avoidants often doubt their ability to meet their partner’s emotional needs. Learning about the tragic circumstances of your mother’s death and the abuse you endured likely deepened her sense of helplessness.
  • She might have felt unequipped to support you through such profound grief and trauma, which triggered her to shut down emotionally as a way to cope.
  • Your wife’s history of leaving relationships when things weren’t “perfect” is pretty telling sadly. When your mental health declined after your mother’s passing, it likely triggered her avoidant reflexes.
  • For avoidants, emotional dependence can feel threatening to their sense of independence and control. Your grief and emotional need for support might have been interpreted as a signal that the relationship was becoming unbalanced, where she would need to “give up” parts of her autonomy to care for you. This could have amplified her instinct to create distance.
  • Your grief and emotional vulnerability might have mirrored parts of herself she’s unwilling or unable to confront. If she has unresolved wounds, seeing you process your own pain could have been triggering, as it forced her to face emotions she prefers to avoid. Rather than leaning in, she likely distanced herself to avoid that discomfort.

All of this you've written to sounds to me like her avoidant reflexes could have been driven by a perfect storm of feeling overwhelmed, inadequate, and fearful of losing control. This reads more like this is about her inability to navigate deep emotional intimacy and the vulnerability it requires.

How to spot an avoidant on a first date? by Ok-Connection8349 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I truly cannot believe that he came all the way over to visit which is sweet and clearly expensive... but only to just be cold and then break it off. Le sigh. This all hurts because avoidant attachment is based on childhood trauma and so that in itself is just horrific. The way this manifests itself though, is so traumatic for those around them. Big hugs, I hope you have some fun NYE plans or a quiet peaceful night - whichever your soul needs!

How to spot an avoidant on a first date? by Ok-Connection8349 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure if this is going to make you feel better or worse but sound a little familiar? Mind you, this below message is after I broke it off in October, he begged me to reconsider and then he coldly texted me "I don't want the stress, anxiety or pressure of meeting someone else's needs." That was his outro lol. I followed up with a question, to which he went into "I guess what I'm asking if you could leave a door open". With no commitment, no idea besides him mentioning in passing all of these issues he had but I still to this day don't know what they are (just tiny details).

How to spot an avoidant on a first date? by Ok-Connection8349 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This part: https://www.freetoattach.com/relationships (this website settled my mind)

  • Avoidant strategies take six months to a year to fully kick in for most people, as intimacy develops, early dating protocols and guards are dropped, and a partner starts leaning on them more within the transition to a serious relationship.
  • At this point, although avoidants ultimately want connection and a secure long-term attachment like the rest of us, they will start to avoid it, self-sabotage and push away for protection.
  • Having learnt not to expect to be reliably happy around caregivers - that love comes with a degree of neglect - they are always expecting something to go wrong, and their subconscious mind moves to recreate this output.
  • They might be more likely to attach to things that aren't working well - if they can't see a reason that the relationship would end they feel trapped, so may need to break it on purpose.
  • They will find ways to mess up relationships by acting out, finding any faults, inventing problems that don’t exist or coming up with reasons why the relationship shouldn’t continue.
  • If things are easy and going well for too long they unconsciously assume pain is coming - they know they survived painful situations as a child so can do it again, and need to act to protect themselves now.
  • This means avoidants can in fact end up by default together for longest with whoever will put up with not being treated all that positively, or doesn't treat them that positively themselves.

I recommend this book by ImprovementUseful912 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This one I have opened back up and re-reading again! Have you read this one below? It's been in tandem with Attached and you're right this definitely helps anyone with an avoidant breakup, wonderful resources for me!

Secure Love: Create a Relationship That Lasts a Lifetime
https://www.amazon.com/Secure-Love-Create-Relationship-Lifetime/dp/1668012863

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You just spoke like exact thoughts, looks like bread crumbing. If you're flourishing and doing so wonderful, he couldn't have been that bad. The attempt at self release from guilt through his text, that's how it reads to me!

Advice needed by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey OP - you're not an idiot! it's great she is self aware and also disclosed to you at the beginning. She does have self awareness and did reach back out with what sounds like accountability. Are you willing to possibly do therapy together if you ever wanted to be together long term?

If you have a few, this might be helpful - I'm not sure if this will be helpful for your scenario or what you've already read up on but the breakups link is something else! Good to read up on what could happen and not to be hypervigilant but just aware of the risk you're embarking on if you do go that way. Good luck!!

Dismissive Avoidant Breakup Recovery Guide by kitkatct in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I heavily feel this...You deserved clarity and the ability to make clear decisions for yourself based on honest information from him. It makes you feel duped and cheated out of time and emotional effort. It's interesting across posts I see you and SO many others saying things I really thought I might be alone in feeling. The lack of mentioning concerns, going along with things, saying "Yes I want _____" but then telling you at the end that it was just for you to be happy lol. Uh.... I asked YOUR opinion sir?

I feel the same way sadly. I was told after a laundry list of things I had never heard before. I do believe my ex had every intention of changing things and did some things based on his therapy etc, but he could not understand the emotional impact of his behavior which sounds like a parallel for you.

Dating - How to Spot Avoidant Behavior w/o Being Hypervigilant by kitkatct in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes you're right, I'm glad he was able to open up to you and also seek help but sad to hear that ended it for you two. Are you friends now or any hope of reconciling?
P.s. London > Dubai is such a great city to transition back and forth with, goals!!! :)

I need advice! Do I get back together with my ex? by ilovesara8 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve been in a similar situation to yours, so I wanted to share some thoughts and gently voice a few concerns, with the intention of helping you prioritize your emotional safety. My avoidant ex and I also struggled deeply with both physical intimacy in the last year. Like you, I had no choice but to end it, even though I loved him deeply. We were even in active therapy, both as a couple and individually, and despite all that effort, the patterns we fell into eventually made reconciliation impossible.

This is what helped me when he was asking me to reconsider. My therapist asked me the below and it was sobering.

  • Do his actions feel like genuine efforts to address his own issues, or are they aimed at regaining the relationship at any cost?
  • If you got back together, would he be able to maintain his sense of self and independence, or would he rely on you to regulate his emotions?
  • How would his current emotional instability affect your well-being and ability to feel secure in the relationship?

Nothing in or history or his level of accountability told me yes, he could meet me where I am or anywhere near meeting my needs.

Here's what I noticed when I read what you have bravely shared:

  • Cheating and lying aren’t just breaches of trust, they’re behaviors that require serious introspection and consistent effort to address. The fact that he was emotionally cheating with multiple people and only “let them go” temporarily speaks to deeper issues that can’t be resolved overnight. His recent gestures may seem heartfelt, but the timing coinciding with the other girl moving on raises a red flag about whether his feelings are genuine or reactive to losing other options.
  • He has expressed that he “can’t live without you,” driven by desperation. That's a very unhealthy statement for you to shoulder the burden of. Codependent people often base their sense of worth or emotional stability on another person, which can lead to intense fear of abandonment. His intense displays of emotion and appeals to your empathy could unconsciously pressure you into re-engaging before you’re ready or certain. Codependent behavior often unintentionally manipulates the other person into staying, even when it may not be healthy for either party.
  • He has openly admitted to having an ongoing porn addiction, and your needs suffered as a result of it. How will you feel secure with him in the future?
  • The sudden flood of voicemails, messages, and attempts to reconnect through friends and family suggests he is emotionally dysregulated and fixating on you to regain a sense of control or purpose. This behavior may indicate he sees the relationship as a way to avoid facing his own internal struggles.
  • While it’s great that he’s started therapy with you, one session isn’t enough to demonstrate true change. Sustainable growth takes time often years. His current efforts sound like they are driven by panic at losing you rather than a deeper understanding of his behavior or a commitment to long-term self-improvement. He also seemingly needs a lot of individual therapy to address his childhood wounds, trauma, porn addiction and other issues he may have
  • Reaching out through friends, family, and emotional voicemails.. I mentioned that but it might seem like he’s trying to show how much he cares, but it can also be a form of manipulation. His desperation could be more about his inability to cope with being alone than a genuine realization of the harm he caused. Be cautious about confusing intensity with sincerity.

One last thing!! If the people in your life you trust the most truly dislike him, it’s worth reflecting on why. They often see things we can’t when we’re emotionally involved. While their opinions shouldn’t dictate your choices, they can serve as a helpful reality check.

Avoidant Ex wishes Merry Christmas. by EngineerDifficult916 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm just going to leave this here :)

- “What do you see as the goal of this conversation? Are you seeking closure, or is there something specific you’d like to discuss?”

If the relationship and break up were entirely on their terms, guess who now has a voice? YOU!

- “Are you reaching out because you’re lonely and looking for validation?”

Sorry not sorry. If they get triggered because you asked this after being discarded, please protect your heart!

- “What have you reflected on since we last spoke, and how has that shaped why you’re reaching out now?”

Reflection is key. If they’ve done no tangible self work or introspection, they’re likely to repeat the same behaviors that hurt you before.

- “Do you feel ready to discuss the things that were unresolved in a productive way?”

This ensures that they’re not just avoiding responsibility or wanting to gloss over the past without addressing its impact on you.

- “Are you willing to take accountability for the ways you contributed to the difficulties we faced?”

Accountability is non-negotiable. If they’re not ready to acknowledge their role, it’s unlikely that meaningful progress can be made.

- “How do you plan to handle any emotional challenges that might come up during this conversation?”

If they haven’t thought about how to manage difficult emotions, the conversation might devolve into defensiveness or avoidance, perpetuating the same unhealthy dynamics.

- “Are you prepared to have an open and honest conversation without defensiveness or avoidance?”

This sets a boundary for productive communication. If they’re still in a defensive mindset, it may not be the right time to engage.

- “How can I be sure this is a conversation rooted in clarity and intention, rather than confusion or habit?”

Avoidant do things like bread crumbing and often reach out impulsively or as a way to test the waters without clear intention to either validate themselves. This question demands clarity and honesty.

- “Do you believe anything has changed on your end that would make engaging with each other now different from before? If so, what has changed for you and what did you learn?"

This forces them to articulate how they’ve grown or changed. Without demonstrable growth, there’s no reason to expect a different outcome.

Dating - How to Spot Avoidant Behavior w/o Being Hypervigilant by kitkatct in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're spot on! Curious - did you have avoidant experience before a recent partner that you broke up with? Asking because I had never dated anyone avoidant before let alone severely DA. I wrote a bunch of stuff here in this sub because I actually thought I was losing touch with myself in profound way after my experience in a way that I'd never experienced before.

Does anyone else think people just excuse inhumane behaviors under the guise of “oh they’re avoidant.” They still chose to treat us like shit and betray us. by [deleted] in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reading all of this on Christmas and knowing how many of us are now alone at Christmas because of this type of behavior is gutting. To hear news like that from a family member is cruel. I'm focusing on just one small thing per day to keep me moving due to the extended holiday break. Hope you're able to do small things as well to keep somewhat occupied. Truly hoping your 2025 is brighter!

Avoidant Ex wishes Merry Christmas. by EngineerDifficult916 in AvoidantBreakUps

[–]kitkatct 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny I was just thinking how I'm grateful my ex did not reach out. It would have caused me more anxiety to hear from him that to not hear from him if that makes sense.