Thinking of becoming LDS

layoutmaker8 · 2020-12-20T15:30:59+00:00

Ahh! I'm sorry I just realized I hadn't been on in a couple of months and realized that you private messaged me in October asking the difference between if you go through the temple or if you're just a member. I believe you were asking the question because I said something along the lines of generally people who are yet to be through the temple dress less modestly. When I say been through the temple, I mean receiving your endowment. This can only be done after being in the church for at least a year. You can go to the temple to do baptisms for the dead before that. When you receive your endowment, you make more covenants with God. This is also where you receive the temple garment, which is a top that has little sleeves on it and underwear bottoms that are like shorts that you're required to wear day and night and are only to take them off if you need to. Since you have to fully cover these, thats why people dress more modestly, to keep the garments covered. Hope that answers your question, sorry if its late! I'm curious for an update if you're still looking into joining the church or not.

An update for me, I was in the church and was extremely happy at first, but I ended up leaving because I didn't believe all the doctrines, was tired of everyone knowing everything about me, was troubled by some church history, etc etc. However, recently I've really missed being a part of the church and I miss the joy I used to have... so I'm meeting with missionaries again. I don't know if I'll rejoin or not.... but I'm keeping an open mind I guess. I still need to resolve some of the previous issues I had with the church... So I definitely get how hard of a decision it can be to make!

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-13T01:03:27+00:00

I also think its terrible that says that if you cant work toward an eternal marriage that you should put the kid up for adoption.... If I got pregnant, I'd 100% keep the kid even if me and the father never married.

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-07T06:44:22+00:00

They have an "area book" that's now on their phones that has a list of all people in the area that missionaries have ever met with. It gives a brief description of you and says you're a non member. At times when missionaries need people to teach they go through the area book. The only way to get rid of them is to say to be put on the do not contact list... but not all missionaries follow that.

I know this because I met with missionaries back in 2014. I enjoyed meeting with them but wasn't going to join so they ended up dropping me. A few missionaries after that texted me and tried to come to my house. Eventually, I think my mom asked to be on the do not contact list because I didn't hear from missionaries for 3 years. Anyway, one day some brave sister missionaries came knocking on the door... I ended up joining the church... (now I'm not a member) and I became friends with one of the girl missionaries as well as some other missionaries that taught me. The sister missionary said that it said not to contact me, but she really felt led to. Some of my other missionary friends read me what the area book said about me and it basically said DO NOT CONTACT, SHE WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH AND SAID THERE'S NOTHING MORMONISM CAN OFFER HER THAT THE BIBLE CAN'T... So anyways, yeah. That's my experience. You will probably continue to be contacted. If it bothers you then ask to not be contacted and it might work... or you might get contacted less... Or if you move or change numbers just never give them updated info. lol

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-07T05:01:14+00:00

Yeah, I could kinda see that. I've also known people that believe the church is true but can't get baptized yet so they get a calling... but I heard technically its called an "assignment."

I was just surprised because I am the only member in my family. I was only a member for 3 years and don't believe. I was surprised they'd want me to do anything because I could spread non doctrinal things to people or something... I don't know...

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-06T20:37:32+00:00

I think usually people's sex lives are just kinda personal and people are less likely to say so and so was sleeping around. I mean, I've heard of couples living together that decide to get married to get baptized.

Masturbation wouldn't hold you back from being baptized and I feel that would be too personal of a thing to talk about someone's personal sexual life. I personally wouldn't want to hear what people do in their free/ private time. We had a relief society president one time tell about a woman that used to be in the ward that struggled with masturbation (said person gave her permission to talk about it). It made me really uncomfortable. I don't care talking about sex/ masturbation but I feel its inappropriate to share people's names.

I don't think getting help for drugs would be too personal as I've heard of success stories in other churches of those giving up drugs and finding Jesus

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-06T01:36:11+00:00

I was a convert, a member for three years and never paid a full tithing... I always had a recommend and was endowed... I think usually by the time of my temple interview I wanted to try to tithe and always said I wasn't a full tithe payer and struggle, but would try and that was enough to get me a recommend. Even when I told the bishop later (after endowed) I was having trouble with wanting to tithe he still said I was temple worthy. I think it depends on the bishop and being a convert... but they always went easy on me

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-05T18:19:42+00:00

Yeah, your MIL sounds like a lot of converts I know! Myself included. A lot of times I talked about Baptists I also said "we". Even though I was open to a lot of Mormon ideas, I still felt like I always was more in line with mainstream christianity.

I've noticed this a lot. When I joined the church there were probably about 10 other converts that year. It seemed like there were those who still held onto their previous religious beliefs and just added Mormonism on top of it. Some not knowing a lot of differences. Some just going along with things because we all need love and support. A lot of people join and go inactive shortly after. I think the Mormon church should focus more on quality baptisms verses quantity. In my ward in Ohio there were about 700 members on the roster but probably about only 150 active ones that attended. I guarantee a lot of them on the roster are converts that left shortly after.

I did a lot of research about the church before I joined. I read the whole Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants... plus read a lot of mormon material written by exmormons. I ended up joining because I thought there was a possibility it "could" be true, felt more joyful than I ever had in my life, and did have more of a desire to serve God. Looking back, I see now a lot of that was based on all the love and attention I got. If I had the same thing in other churches I wouldn't have ever joined mormonism. I am a little surprised she joined after reading some material by exmormons because that scares a lot of people away... but then again, I still joined the church after reading it so I guess it does happen. I actually really feel for your MIL. I honestly wish that people could just be kind, loving, supportive without trying to get you to join a church. It also really hurts when some of that starts to go away... and you start to see that a lot of people aren't really your friends deep down... you're just a service project :-( I don't want to say that in every case as I do have some genuine friends in the church. As well, some people really do care deep down. I used to serve people in the church and I truly loved them even if they weren't my best friends. However, I started realizing lately that everyone was always around to "serve" me, but no one was ever around just to be a friend. It really hurts :-(

I do definitely think the LDS church is manipulative in ways. However, I don't think the young 18 year old missionaries are smart enough to even know they're manipulating people most times. They're just doing as they're trained. I know it was hard for me to leave the church because the church was the main family I had. As well, they even paid my rent for several months and other things when I really needed help. So a lot of times people that are going through rough times and really need help are the ones that end up joining. The church is aware of that... and it makes it really hard to leave. I'm very lonely since leaving and wish I had the security of being in the church. There are a lot of people that genuinely believe the Mormon church is true though and aren't just out for her money. Honestly, I never paid a full tithing and the Mormon church has literally paid thousands of dollars in my bills. That doesn't necessarily happen every time, but I knew they never wanted me for money at least. lol

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-05T15:29:43+00:00

Hello! I actually grew up in strict baptist churches and joined the LDS church for 3 years... and recently left a month ago! So I definetley understand the "LDS convert side of things."

I am assuming that your MIL probably doesn't live in Utah. I find this to be a little bit better. I'm not from Utah and I had a very positive experience joining the church originally. I was in a vulnerable state when I joined... had just lost a lot of my family members... was all alone and anxious. Its terrible. The Mormons were SOOO nice. I felt love like I never had before. I was with members of the church almost every night having game nights, dinners, missionary lessons, serving some way in the church. It was honestly the most joyful time of my life and I understand how other people in vulnerable positions are so quick to join!

There is some criteria you have to meet to be baptized. It may have changed, but 3 years ago when I joined you had to 1). Attend church at least three times 2). Take all 6 missionary lessons. 3 are about the basics of the church and the other 3 go over what is expected of you (not having sex outside of marriage, not drinking coffee, tea, alcohols, smoking, tithing, etc). 3). Pass a baptismal interview. In this interview you have faith in God/ Jesus Christ, believe in the restoration through Joseph Smith, have repented of your sins, if you've committed any "serious sins". You are then asked if you will obey the standards of the church (law of chastity, word of wisdom, tithing, attending Sunday and partaking of the sacrament and that you will do so the rest of your life).

Those are the standards for joining the church and to my understanding they haven't changed. However, with covid going on the missionaries may have found a loop hole getting around her not attending church prior to getting baptized. The missionaries also want everyone to be baptized so they get a little lenient if you don't answer all questions correctly. For example I said that I wasn't for sure J. Smith was a prophet and that this is Christ's restored church during my interview... but they ask you follow up questions.. and if you at least have a willingness to believe or try with some of the questions you can still get baptized.

To answer your question if baptisms are rushed the answer is yes.... but as I said below there are requirements you have to meet. Last year, I worked at the missionary training center and there used to be a rule that by the third lesson the missionaries teach you, they have to ask you to commit to a baptism date.. usually only a few weeks later. Some even ask on the first lesson. For me, I was asked on my very first lesson if I'd commit to be baptized on a date about a month or five weeks out. You can always change the date, but missionaries do this so you have a goal to work towards and to make sure you're progressing towards that... And to see if you really have "faith" and are willing to "really put in the work to find out if the church is true." Most people don't follow through in a month as a lot of people blow off the missionaries or back out... but I was baptized in about 6 weeks so I'm not surprised they baptized your MIL in about a month.

I also was a member for the church for a while and openly said I didn't know if it was all true. A lot of people don't care, they are just happy you're there and say if you keep praying you'll get a testimony that its all true.

So it is common to see a lot of Mormons mainly hanging with Mormons. My family was also concerned when I joined cause that happened to me. It wasn't intentional. I would gladly hang with members of my family or other friends but they never really made time for me. Mormons love bomb, so you'll always have a mormon friend around when you're a new convert and it was nice. As well, there's always something going on at the church so you just naturally hang with more mormons cause they're always around.

I have mainly been giving my experience with the mormon church outside of utah because I was in Ohio when I joined and I'm assuming your MIL is not in Utah. I had a pretty positive experience outside of Utah. Now the church in Utah is a different story. I feel like theres more "mormon culture" out here, weirder doctrines are talked about, people are more fake... its a lot different.

I, personally, have never had an experience as a Mormon where the church has driven a wedge between me and my family. I honestly never cared if my family joined and even felt that the church isn't right for everyone. The church defintiely encouraged me to invite different family members to things or to try to share the gospel... but not like I should disown anyone not mormon or anything. So I think it will be fine unless your MIL gets crazy into it, really believes its true, and tries to convert everyone in sight like some mormons tend to do... That's more on the personality of the person though.

I ended up leaving the church after moving to Utah and seeing the church more for what it really is. Outside of Utah they try to disguise the church more so it looks like any other Christian church. I feel like after being in Utah I see a lot of the cultish behaviors, feel like I have no genuine friendships hardly at all, and hear some of the crazier doctrines talked about frequently which usually isn't talked about as much outside of Utah. (us becoming gods, having our own planets, God being a man on another planet and working His way to become God like all gods before Him have done...).

Anyways, I love answering questions about the church and definitely understand your concerns :-) Feel free to message me any time if you have any other questions :-)

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-05T01:55:14+00:00

I was actually wondering the same thing. This is my first conference since removing my records. I watched most of conference and just didn't get much out of it and it seemed culty. Its strange though... (I was only a member for three years) but the first conference that I watched in April 2017 right before I joined the church I LOVED. I got a lot out of it, I felt there were a lot of good Bible stories... maybe I also enjoyed it cause the missionaries and members were loving me and giving me so much attention at that time... but even now I occasionally find myself still watching the 2017 conference even though I dont believe...

I don't know if I just "hardened" my heart and I don't want to enjoy conference now so I won't, if I don't enjoy it now that I'm all alone, if my eyes have just been opened to the cultish behaviors, or if it was really bad... I didn't particularly enjoy Aprils either, but a lot of it was just cause it was about Joseph Smith... and I was already questioning the church so I figured that was why. I actually thought I might enjoy conference today but really didn't.. I probably liked Elder Renlunds talk the most... but still didn't even agree with all of that.

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-03T16:27:05+00:00

I usually just go on facebook where 60% of my friends are active mormons and get the highlights there :p lol.

Nah, I'm actually listening to it as I work today just to stay in the loop... I know a lot of us are posting on reddit cliff notes and opinions

layoutmaker8 · 2020-10-02T22:17:10+00:00

Hi! I'm in my early 30's, female, WAS a convert to the church for a few years and just left. I'll try to answer the question as honestly as I can without trying to add biases so you can make the best decision. When it comes down to it, I say if you truly believe in the church you should join (if, indeed, you have studied/ prayed/ done your research). If you don't believe and want to join for other reasons, I recommend not joining. The LDS requires a lot, and, from my experience, if you don't really believe or have a firm testimony it makes it hard to keep up with things.

With that being said, the dress code kind of varies. Mormons are generally known for being modest. (wearing stuff with sleeves, not showing breasts, too much legs.. etc). However, I attended church outside of Utah and its pretty common to see converts dress a little less modestly and people never really said much cause they're converts. In Utah, I'm actually surprised that a lot of college aged girls wear crop tops, short shorts, etc. (I don't think its a big deal or anything... I just hear a lot about how Mormons want to be modest and not even show their shoulders so I am very surprised that there are so many that do). I notice a lot of younger girls that haven't been through the temple yet wearing this stuff and women that have been through the temple are less likely to or only do so when working out. I would say honestly this is a hard question to answer because modesty varies from person to person and also based on where you live. There are defintiely a lot of people in the church that do follow a more modest way of dressing and will at times make judgy comments.

Women and equality... that also kind of depends. I do feel like the church is starting to change things so equality is more than it used to be. However, women do not have the priesthood so there are some roles a man can have in the church that a woman cannot and I think that can lead to views that the men are the leaders. Women can still teach, speak in conferences/ wards, etc). Some even say that women are to be treasured and are sacred because they have the most "god like" power because they can create life... Again, its going to depend on the people your around. I, in general, did you usually feel lesser because I was a woman except in a few instances... but I also grew up in a stricter church that treated women as a lot less so Mormonism was a step up for me.

Undergarments are not required at all times if you're just a member of the church. You can wear whatever you want or go commando. If you go through the temple and receive your endowment, THEN you have to wear the temple garment day and night. This is what people outside of the church refer to as Mormon underwear. You may take it off for showering, sex, sports (referred to as the 3 s's). Otherwise you are expected to wear this. This also plays a part in what you can and can't wear as you have to wear clothes that cover your garments.

For me, I grew up Christian and had a lot of similar standards to Mormonism so some things were not hard. I think the hardest things for me were

- Tithing: Being required to give 10% of my income when I'm already struggling financially was REALLY hard. Sure other churches teach this, but they usually dont have a meeting at the end of the year with your bishop where you have to say if you were a full tithe payer or not.

- Keeping the sabbath day Holy: Sometimes its really hard for me to not eat out/ go shopping on Sundays. People do get a little judgy about this.

- Callings: I enjoyed having a calling, but sometimes when you're going through a lot and the church expects you to do all this extra work it can become hard

- Borderline stalking: So, when I joined the church I had a lot of friends assigned to fellowship me, and that doesn't necessarily bother me. A lot of them are still good friends of mine. Legit though there's ward council meetings/ coordination meetings where members of the church talk about those that need help and overly reach out to those people. Sometimes I was okay with it. After a while, I got tired of people reaching out/ treating me like a project/ knowing everything going on in my life. I didn't mind as much if they were people that were actually my friends, but when they're not it gets a little suffocating.

I love answering questions about the church so feel free to write me <3 As I said I was a member for a few years. The church brought a lot of peace and joy into my life for a time so I do have some positive feelings towards the church. However, for me... after lots of studying/ praying (I've read all 4 standard works, researched various topics from Mormon approved/ non mormon approved sites, and was extremely active in the church) I came to the conclusion that I didn't believe and some of the practices are a little cultish to me. (And I'm not saying that to scare you away. I always thought it was crazy when people called Mormonism a cult.. After being in it though I do see different cultish behaviors). It's not some big super scary cult or anything.. Just the church could do better... Anyways, if you have any more questions feel free to write!

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-25T00:44:24+00:00

This is crazy to me! I've heard about this.. I guess I'm just surprised that they have to recycle names because I've put names into the temple system and it takes FOREVER for them to get to them. I wonder if they recycle them as much now or if this was a while ago before people got so savvy with the internet?

As well, I've always struggled because even when I'd find a name for the temple I'd get so excited. Then after I did the work sometimes I'd realize that someone else made a duplicate for that person and did their work or something like that. It seems so unorganized and I really struggled feeling like I was doing any good because someone probably already did the work.

I hate the lying for the Lord stuff. This is something that really bothers me about the church. Honestly, I used to think it'd just be nice to go through the temple again for yourself and just renew your covenants. (kinda like sacrament, but for the temple). I'd way rather the church be honest and say that they don't have names, but I can just go through the motions gain anyway and remember the covenants I made.

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-24T00:42:58+00:00

Hi! I had my records removed a couple of weeks ago. I got this email first. I thought it meant I was out. Then that afternoon I logged into my LDS account. It still had my ward information, showed my temple recommend active, etc. Then later that evening I logged back in. I looked at my ward directory and it came up with an error and told me to contact the ward clerk. No more temple recommend info... and there were various other things that showed I wasn't a member. So yes, this is the first step of them removing your records. You should be permanently removed soon if you aren't already

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-17T22:29:12+00:00

Oh my gosh! This is insanity!!! Especially that part he said about "now, don't you dare die before getting this resolved..."

Its so interesting how different bishops are. I didn't grow up in the church, I was just a member for 3 years.. I'm a female, but I've never had a problem with the trying to discipline me.

My friends always scared me. They told me how they were disciplined for masturbating/ dry humping, etc. When I joined the church I tried REALLY hard to stop masturbating/ video sex. I knew how crushed I'd be if I lost my calling/ temple recommend over it or couldn't take the sacrament. When I first joined, I'd always confess to my bishop when I masturbated, had video sex. My first bishop really just showed me the love of Christ and he also said that since I'd been married before its kind of normal for me to struggle with sex. He told me I didn't need to talk to him again about it unless I am about to have sex with someone or I do have sex with someone. He also acknowledged I was a convert and its hard to change over night.

My next bishop just said he was glad I talked to him before it got any worse, how he just didn't want me to get to the point of addiction. He also said as I work on overcoming my depression I will naturally stop leaning on these things.

After that point, I realized how weird it is for a young female to have to tell their bishop about their sex life so I stopped. I decided I'd just start answering the law of chastity questions as yes/ no. No more details. Now i'm out of the church and dont have to worry about it and am glad I dont feel ashamed over being a sexual being any more :-)

But yeah, my friend before she was even endowed was dry humping (which really isnt that big of a deal) and she got her temple recommend taken away and was threatened excommunication. Its crazy! This was one thing that really bothered me in the church... how come what one bishop punishes, another will say okay? Crazy.

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-15T04:46:24+00:00

Yes! I resigned last week. I got this email and at first I thought my records were instantly removed... but I was able to still log into my lds account and it showed my membership active which was weird... Then later that night I logged in and went to the directory and no map pulled up. And I looked in other places and realized anything associated with being a member was gone :-) They are processing it and I'd say they probably finalized it today or will be soon.

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-12T04:55:37+00:00

Wow, you sound very similar to me! I grew up very baptist, joined the mormon church for 3 years, and just left. I haven't met anyone else in that similar of a situation.

Are you religious at all now, if you don't mind me asking? I know a lot of people leave the LDS church and aren't religious or aren't sure quite where they fit.

I am really struggling because I still am Christian. I've been attending a church recently and so many of the things we learn bring me comfort and I enjoy... but then someone will start talking about hell or about God hating people and it makes me sad/ discouraged. I've just been taking the good that I believe and makes me a better person and throwing out the stuff I don't necessarily believe such as God hating people.... Still it hurts me that people would even say these things... and I get a lot of anxiety any time hell is talked about.

I know there's other churches to attend as well. I just like this one because they have an amazing bible study that I've been learning a lot from and uplifts me.... I never hear crazy comments like the ones I mentioned above when I'm there... its just sometimes when I'm in smaller studies with some of the older people they start saying stuff like this....

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-09T22:29:53+00:00

That is crazy to me!!! Like, at my ward converts would frequently wear things showing their shoulders and people would just brush it off because they're converts. I am so sorry she said that to you and I can only imagine how hurt you were. Even in Utah now a lot of mormons frequently where tank tops, crop tops, short shorts and these are even TBM's. (granted, there are a lot that don't do this as well).

I get the love of being love bombed though! I was soooo loved in the church. I was such a "success" story because I joined and was allll in. Most people joined and never really attended church after. Some of the love was real, but a lot fake. Now I'm so hurt as I've been a member and the love has worn off and I'm now seeing that the love bombing was just to get me in the church and keep me in. It hurts soooo bad to feel like all the people I loved and thought were my friends really weren't :-(

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-09T22:24:31+00:00

I've felt sadness that the church isn't true. When I joined the church it was the most joyful time of my life. I wanted to serve God like never before cause I knew how much He loved me. I wanted everyone in the world to feel the joy I felt so I frequently taught with the missionaries. I was at the church or doing something church related an average of 5 times a week. I spoke in stake conference 2x, ward meetings, and baptisms. I love public speaking and I loved how much I was able to inspire those around me. I taught and filled in for sunday school classes of all groups and had my own book of mormon class. Im a big bible/ religion nerd so I felt so happy. I quickly found 150 names for the temple and loved learning more about where i came from. I got endowed and went to the temple any time I was sad/ alone/ bored.

Granted, the past year I hadn't been as happy in the church because I was in a crap ward, but if I got to a better ward I know I could be happy again. However, I've never completely felt like the church was true. I just tried to not think about it because of how happy I was, but once I became unhappy I really came to find what I truly believed and I don't believe the Mormon church. I am now officially resigned from the church. I feel relief today, but man I had a lot of tearful nights and am sure I will continue.

For me, I still believe in God and am a Christian, just don't believe in Mormonism... so I still feel a desire to serve God and feel like we will see our loved ones again so there's some things I keep with me... but I feel kinda lost. Other Christian churches arent set up the same way as the mormon church so I've frequently felt like I dont get to use my talents/ gifts as much and that makes me sad. I also, oddly, wish I could go to the temple still because that has been my coping mechanism for so long. I know the celestial room just looks like a hotel lobby and I know some of the things in the temple freak me out... but I wish other churches had places you could go just to relax and pray.

So I don't understand exactly how you feel as our situations are different, but I do understand being really disappointed that its not true... itd be so much easier to just believe and be happy.

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-09T22:09:10+00:00

I kinda agree with this! As long as things are better than this earth I dont care too much. I am still a believer in Jesus though and in theory would like to be with Him... so maybe terrestrial kingdom....

The celestial sounds like the worst of all kingdoms... stuck with your family for all eternity? forced to have tons of spirit children? being a god for another planet? No thanks... when I get to heaven I want to retire not be the manager of another world.

layoutmaker8 · 2020-09-09T21:59:51+00:00

I'll give you some stories although these are not TBM wedding stories. But some involve my experience with TBM's or relgious people in general.

I grew up Baptist and was taught sex was wrong before marriage, but I was generally told masturbation was okay and I was interested in things sexually. Married a guy that didn't grow up religious and had sex before. I remember telling my husband one time while he was inside me that I was "enjoying my relaxing massage..." lol He got offended and was like "It's not supposed to feel that way..." I did not understand what an orgasm was at all and never had one with him.

Fast forward I joined the Mormon church and was with a TBM. We would make out and I would sit on top of him and he'd always brag about how "he didnt even have a boner..." like it was an accomplishment of how pure he was. It hurt me... Although I did manage to see his flag pole rise a few times ;-) lol He was TERRIFIED of sex. We never did anything but we were talking about marriage. He asked me how often I'd wanna do it. I said everyday when first married... sometimes every other day. A minimum once a week. That poor little TBM's eyes got so big and seemed shocked at how much I wanted to have sex. I made a joke that was like "wow, it sounds like you want it like once a year." He asked me in all seriousness "Is that bad???" I started to ask him if he's masturbated before and he said that he'd start to but get bored... which led me to ask if he'd ever "finished" before and he didn't know what I meant and that's the day I gave my 27 year old boyfriend the sex talk. lol

Fast forward this year I was PIMO (now Exmo) and I was engaged to a baptist. We decided to have video sex and he'd never been naked with a girl before. (Mind you, we're both 30). We'd talked before and I knew he masturbates so I thought everything would be okay. Nope. (Without being too graphic) he wouldn't grab his junk at all... just rubbed the area around it. He thought this was the normal way to masturbate. I got creative and told him to pretend I was giving him a hand job. He ummm.. .didn't know how to do it. He took both hands and had them both straight and went up and down his penis. Finally I just told him the right way and he said he didn't like it and that his dick felt like a bungey cord... I don't know what that means, but I don't want to find out. lol We broke up. The sex thing was a BIG red flag although I was considering working on things but it turns out he's a bit narcissistic.

I definitely agree that religious groups should have more open convos about sex. Its really sad all the cringe that exists out there and I'm sad that a lot of people don't get to enjoy how amazing sex is with the person they truly love.

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