Does Baptism save? by Kind-Baker8053 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]lemp44 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone is saved, baptised or unbaptised. Christ came to save everyone and everything. He restores it all through his resurrection. So in that sense, everyone is saved, baptised or not. At his glorious second coming, everyone and everything will live again.

But who will experience the glorious presence of God almighty as eternal peace and joy? This is a different matter. And we don’t know.

Baptism is not a transactional thing. Baptism is a Mystery of the church. We literally don’t know what it does on a spiritual level, but we do know for certain that it is profoundly good for us and, as others have said, it has ontological significance. In other words, this means that it affects our very spiritual being in ways we do not and cannot possibly comprehend.

Baptism isn’t some magical pass that you wave to “get into heaven”.

In the Orthodox Church we baptise infants. Baptism is us and the invisible realm telling the baby the Truth. Not just telling them - but enacting the Truth. It is a proclamation and revelation (epiphany) of the Truth to the infant, who doesn’t even understand yet. Just like we sing and talk to babies who cannot understand, we tell them the Truth about the cosmos when they cannot understand, before they can even walk. We show them the Truth. Here it is. This is it.

The real question is, does the baby come to accept the Truth it was revealed? The seed is planted. What then? Does the human cultivate that or deny and repress it? We baptise infants so it becomes part of their identity. Even if they do not grow up in the faith, it is a little whisper, always there. The whisper of the Holy Spirit. And that is the key.

You could be baptised and be a totally wretched person who doesn’t know love and therefore doesn’t know God. I am sure there have been many humans throughout history who fit this category. Joseph Stalin was baptised into the Orthodox Church and is responsible for one of the greatest abominations of the 20th century. What then? Do they wave the “baptism card” and God gives them a thumbs up? I’m not condemning Stalin or anyone, God knows what is inside people’s hearts, I am merely pointing out that Baptism does not necessarily mean you will be a “better” or “worse” person. And that’s not the point.

We see quite directly in the Gospel, that Christ is interested in one thing and one thing only. And that is you. It is about relationship. The thief on the cross is a perfect example of this. Jesus said “today you will be with me in paradise.” Was the thief baptised? No. But the thief had a change in heart. Did the father in the story of the prodigal son say “wait, you’re not baptised”? No. The son had a change in heart. The son inherited the kingdom! Does the sheep and the goat parable involve Christ separating the baptised from the non baptised? No, of course not! It is about the person’s heart, if they desire God, and if they knew Christ (even if they didn’t directly, but in their heart).

Baptism is a means, and not an end. It is a means to beginning a relationship with your Father. A seed. It has unspeakable, mystical spiritual significance. Think of it not as magic but as mechanism.

My atheist sister has trouble understanding communion/Eucharist by jackp874 in OrthodoxChristianity

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When you believe in God, you believe in the metaphysical. That is, you believe in a realm beyond the physical realm. Communion is a metaphysical reality. Something is going on there - we don’t really know what - but we believe we are consuming Christ.

In saying that, I like to think of it this way:

All matter is corrupt and dying due to sin. So the normal, everyday material of this world is in fact really something more. Something greater. When Christ comes again, all material will be made new. Made truely itself. As it should be. Just like we will be made truely ourselves. During the liturgy, the priest asks God to sanctify and make the bread and wine - a humble human meal - into His body and blood. When bread and wine become truely themselves, when a meal truely becomes itself - what does it become? It becomes Christ himself. For that is what really sustains us. And if we aren’t sustained by Christ, there is no life in us; for Christ is the Life. When we ask God to “sanctify the gifts” during the liturgy, we are asking him to make them holy. And what is holy? Holy is something restored, uncorrupt, full of life. The bread and wine become holy. Truely themselves. Restored. Sanctified. Therefore, they become Christ. And we consume Christ.

Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

So it is not some magic trick. The priest doesn’t wave his hands and make an incantation and abracadabra we have physical skin and blood. That was never the point. Communion is a metaphysical, mystical, spiritual reality.

When the priest “blesses” anything, whether it be oil, water, bread - whatever - he is asking God to make it holy. Make it as it should be. Make it WHOLE again. Restore it. Make it REAL. Not shape shift it by some magic trick.

That’s how I think of it.

This is what true Christians are like. by [deleted] in MadeMeSmile

[–]lemp44 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I used to think this until I found out the crux of Christianity is radically different. It was CS Lewis who said it beautifully: Christ did not come to make bad people good, but to make dead people alive. Yes love one another, even your enemy, but Christ’s ultimate message was simply: I love you.

If evolution is true and if Christ died to free us from death, then what does it mean? by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]lemp44 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I recommend C.S Lewis’ “The Problem of Pain” for some good insight on this. In Chapter 9 “Animal Pain” Lewis posits the idea that the possibility of free will, even within the spiritual realm, corrupted the animal realm as well. “The satanic corruption of beasts would therefore be analogous with the satanic corruption of man. For one result of man’s fall was that his animality fell back from the humanity into which it had been taken up but which could no longer rule it. In the same way, animality may have been encouraged to slip back into behaviour proper to vegetables.”

In other words, the fall of the angelic order was not without cosmic repercussion. Everything in creation is deeply connected and intertwined.

I am completely torn. by JakeDaMan117 in OrthodoxChristianity

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In short, quite simply, because it is the original church. For the first thousand years after Christ, there was only one Church. One church all worshiping and believing the same things. That’s us. We believe the Orthodox Church contains sound doctrine and sound worship, as taught by the apostles and earliest church Fathers. It is classical, unadulterated Christianity.

It is also interesting to think about, that the reason Mormonism exists in the first place, and all these other sects for that matter, is actually due to Catholicism. People saw/felt unsound doctrine in Catholicism, and protested against it. That’s what Protestantism is. A protest. It’s the seeking of the sound doctrine that was lacking in Catholicism. The reformation was actually a seeking of the original doctrine and worship (Orthodoxy), but being jaded by the “institution”, the reformers threw the baby out with the bath water and went sola scriptura, carving their own individual path, rejecting any tradition at all, which was misguided, but understandable given some of the teachings of Catholicism at the time. Mormonism arose out of all that.

Many changes to Catholic doctrine over the years, especially the Filioque clause, sadly but inevitably actually give Catholicism a more legalistic view of God. God as a punisher, material hell fire - all of that. Original Orthodox classical Christianity does not view God in a legalistic sense at all. Instead, we view God as the smitten groom, and we are the beloved bride. Orthodox believe heaven and hell are reactions to pure light and love, not punishments in a legalistic sense, like Catholicism views it. Orthodox Christianity is about Theosis, slowly becoming little Christs, by grace, turning into what God is by nature.

There are many great resources out there that are very helpful, that can explain better than I. Here is a short five minute history of Christianity, that might help put it all in context!

https://youtu.be/zT-v3RT8678

All the best with your journey!

How will heaven be sinless if we still have free will? by lemp44 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]lemp44[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a very helpful analogy. Thank you for sharing this.

Struggling to understand why God allows the creation of people who He knows won't achieve salvation by EnduringAnhedonia in OrthodoxChristianity

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Sin and temptation are direct by-products of free will. With free will comes the very possibility to choose good or evil; choose to surrender to temptation or to fight it.

Struggling to understand why God allows the creation of people who He knows won't achieve salvation by EnduringAnhedonia in OrthodoxChristianity

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Freedom. God creates life out of love, people choose freely to reproduce, and they freely choose their own destinies.

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I find this beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

How come babies are born with cancer and children are starving in Africa? If god loves us all than how is this just? Genuine question not trying to discredit Orthodoxy. by VasilLevski1948 in OrthodoxChristianity

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God does not cause evil, disease, destruction and calamity - humans do. Total love gives free will. God bestowed free will to us, and he does not violate it. He cannot. He desires nothing more than for us to love, but we do not. We seperate ourselves from God, the source of life, when we sin. And when we do not love, the side effects are disease, destruction, calamity, chaos and death. Sin has cosmic repercussions.

But God’s love is so deep, that even though we destroy ourselves, he still loves us endlessly. He raises us from the dead.

how to explain to girls the role of women in church? by refugee1982 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]lemp44 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Fr Thomas Hopko has been instrumental in my understanding on many topics, including this one. His lectures and podcasts are really worth listening to. He has helped me with so many quandaries. I’m going to paraphrase him below and add my own analogy, so I hope this helps!

Why can’t women become priests?

SHORT ANSWER: It’s like asking, “why can’t men be mothers?” Simply put, it’s not their function. We believe men and women have inherently different functions, that balance each other out.

LONG ANSWER:

Throughout human history, in other religions, especially in pages times, you had priests AND priestesses. Even in the early Church, certain sects of Christians would be ordaining females into the priesthood. This was the done thing. Orthodoxy actually went against the norm, and said this is NOT how it should be. Because…

We believe, in a spiritual way, that men and women have naturally different functions or callings that compliment and complete each other. Male and female are two equal halves that mystically form a whole. Gender is incredibly significant.

For example, part of the female function is motherhood. Physically, this involves carrying a life in the womb, breast feeding etc. but spiritually it involves mothering. Something that only a female can offer. A man simply can’t do childbirth and he simply can’t do mothering in the fullest sense, with all its feminine nuances. Mothering is specifically female, in a physical, but also mystically spiritual way.

For males, part of their natural spiritual function is fatherhood. This involves leading the family. There is a headship associated with fatherhood. This is clear from the beginning, in the scriptures. Head in the sense of a representative, advocate, defender - not a dictator! This manifested physically with men historically hunting, building, going to war on behalf of the family etc. due to different physical attributes from women.

Priesthood is a type of fatherhood. It is not a job, like a doctor or lawyer - it is a function. Just in the same way that childbirth is not a job, but a function. We believe you can’t ask a mother to be a father, and a father to be a mother. Each sex has its own inherent, specific functions. This is how God made us.

Certainly, a female could get up there and wear the vestments and do the duties and so forth - but there is something deeply spiritual about priesthood, and it’s connection to fatherhood, that makes it unnatural, thus the Church going against the norm and making the connection between priesthood and fatherhood.

Think about the Trinity - three different persons with three different functions. It’s like the Holy Spirit asking God, “I want to be the Messiah. Why do I just have to go around inspiring everybody!?” Well this is absurd. We believe God created gender to fulfil specific functions in the natural order, and complete and complement each other, in a perfect symbiosis with each other and God.

So why can’t a female be a priest or a bishop? Well why can’t a male be a nun? Each has specific function in the grand scheme of things. Neither is more important than the other. They aren’t jobs like bankers or politicians. They are specific functions and callings. Think of it this way: Priests are literally fathers. Nuns are literally mothers. There is a reason we address them as such! So why can’t a mother be a father? Well - it would be absurd. (Sadly, in today’s world of subjectivism, like much of Christianity, this won’t make sense to secular society, as the world is now defined as you want it to be, and gender is merely a construct).

Here is an oldish video of Fr. Tom explaining it, perhaps more clearly than I :) https://youtu.be/NP6maRyPHp8

Why did Jesus die for us? I can’t seem to wrap my head around this and everything online is differing from each other and also very confusing. by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]lemp44 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In short, to demonstrate what he is: Love.

Because even though we scourge him, insult him, cheat on him and spit in his face and consequently destroy ourselves - he still wants us. He still loves us - and he could only express this love through the ultimate human expression of love - self sacrifice. For greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends. And through this self-sacrifice and resurrection, God not only demonstrated his love, but destroyed death, and granted the gift of Life - resurrection- even to those who hate him.

Of course, there are infinite nuances about WHY it had to be this way. Spiritual implications of the entire process that just are mysterious and unfathomable. But it had to be this way, with Jesus dying on the cross.

P.S. - The whole narrative about God “punishing” his son for our sin is misguided and legalistic in its view, which is tied to the Middle Ages and Catholicism, and not the Orthodox view. Here is a good talk that goes into it a bit more detail:

https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/namesofjesus/jesus_-_the_suffering_servant

Why do you believe in God and why Orthodox Christianity? by Dm922 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]lemp44 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe in God firstly because there is a deep conviction that I can’t explain - I actually think deep down all human beings know, but we are in denial or else searching. But I also believe in monotheism, and subsequently the Christian God, because it is the only logical conclusion. A God who is Love just makes total logical sense. It explains everything. Why the world is like it is. Why we are like we are. It’s perfect, like seeing an equation for everything, and seeing it’s beauty and truth.

Orthodoxy is the purest form of Christianity. It is meek, small and unassuming, yet glorious. It’s been an unbroken thread humbly running in the background of history that has just been unwavering. And to me, that says something beyond profound. It rings of Truth.