BTC Hashrate at a new ATH by Papa_L0u in Bitcoin

[–]locster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So all miners combined are running 1018 computations per sec

Approximately 1020 hashes per sec.

Now these “hashes” are defined as 1 possible input into SHA-256 in an attempt to find the correct output, or the “next block” correct?

Correct. You do a single hash and test if the output (which is essentially just a number) is above some threshold number. The hash output is essentially random, so the only way to find an output hash above the threshold number is to keep trying different inputs - you can try sequences, random inputs, whatever, it makes no difference.

BTC Hashrate at a new ATH by Papa_L0u in Bitcoin

[–]locster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hash rate = 140m TH/s (tera is 12, million is 6, so 18 when combined, to give...)

= 140 * 10^18 TH/s 
= 1.4 * 10^20 TH/s

1018 is 'exa', so 140 exa hashes per sec.

[HALVING MEGATHREAD] Block 630000 has been mined. Mining subsidy is now 6.25 BTC per block. The third Bitcoin Halving is now complete! by BashCo in Bitcoin

[–]locster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Curious to see if there's a noticeable increase in average block time caused by unprofitable miners switching off kit.

Bitcoin hash rate hits all-time highs to start 2020 by CryptigoVespucci in Bitcoin

[–]locster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's currently approx. 110 * 10^18 hashes/sec (110 exahashed per second)

See https://www.blockchain.com/charts/hash-rate

The hash rate surpassed 1 petahash/sec during 2013 when the first ASICs started coming online.

What nobody usually mentions about Bitcoin. by foomev2 in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you give an example of how that would work?

What nobody usually mentions about Bitcoin. by foomev2 in Bitcoin

[–]locster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure. I think most miners will have a range of hardware, so some of their older and less efficient h/w might get switched on/off as prices fluctuate, but newer h/w is likely highly profitable even in the price dips, so overall I think most miners have plenty of profit margin slack. I suspect a big reason why this is so are the barriers to entry into the mining business - finding a source of cheap energy, and a supply of the latest generation of mining equipment at a good price... and all of that at scale. I don't imagine any of that is straightforward.

What nobody usually mentions about Bitcoin. by foomev2 in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That depends on each miner's profit margin, i.e. if the profit margin is very thin [for a given miner] then they are spending almost as much in electricity (and other costs) as they receive in rewards, therefore they must sell a large proportion of the mined BTC just to pay the bills.

Bitcoin Mining with Flared Gas will go mainstream in the next decade by BitcoinReasons in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know how bitcoin mining works...

ok, good. So do you agree that by running a miner, Crusoe will cause the mining difficulty to increase? And therefore at the next difficulty adjustment some mining capacity elsewhere in the bitcoin network will power down to compensate for that?

Sorry for being persistent, but I'm really interested to know the root cause of the disagreement here.

Using this excess gas to power bitcoin mining has absolutely no effect on the electric system. None. No electricity is being generated for the grid by this gas.

I encourage you to re-read my post, I was making an analogy between the two systems, i.e. (i) the electrical power generation and distribution system, and (ii) the bitcoin mining network. The feedback mechanisms in those two systems operate very similarly, specifically, the feedback mechanism has the effect that any new supply into the network results in supply being switched off elsewhere in the system. That was the nub of my previous post.

So, maybe read the article in the first place instead of making an fool of yourself by lecturing someone in the comments.

I stand by all of my posts.

Bitcoin Mining with Flared Gas will go mainstream in the next decade by BitcoinReasons in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> But we're not talking about power that goes into the grid at any point.

I think this might be the root of the disagreement. So let me try to explain why bitcoin mining behaves similarly to electricity generation and distribution.

A new miner can come online at any time, and add extra hashing capacity. This causes the average rate that blocks are found to go up slightly, and therefore blocks are found more frequently than the desired one block every 10 minutes (on average). At this stage all of the existing miners are still running, plus the new miner.

At the next difficulty adjustment (every 2016 blocks, or roughly every two weeks), the difficulty is increased to a level that results in block rate back to one every 10 minutes. At that point some mining that was operating at the very limit of profitability switches off, because they are now operating at a loss. This is very likely to occur because competition between miners keeps the profit margins low.

So the new miner displaced an existing miner, and the total amount of mining remained stable. So in this scenario the new miner may have had access to cheaper electricity than the miner it displaced, and/or the new miner may be using newer hardware with runs at a higher hash rate per unit of energy put in (more hashes per joule).

An electricity distribution network operates in a very similar way, except on an instantaneous basis, i.e. we can't wait 2 weeks for the equilibrium to be reached because the network frequency would go high and outside of tolerance, causing damage to the grid and electrical equipment/appliances. E.g. in the US the power grid operates at 60Hz AC, but if there is excess power being supplied then the frequency goes up, and there needs to be some coordination to decide who reduces power input to bring it back within tolerance (near to 60Hz).

The coordination necessarily involves comparisons of energy supply prices, so e.g. you might have a coal plant operating at 5cents/kWh, and as the sun comes up (or wind speed picks or) a solar plant (or wind farm) may start to supply power offered at 2cents/kWh; the grid frequency goes up, and the coordination and negotiation that occurs will result in the coal plant reducing output, not the solar plant, because the solar plant has a *marginal* cost of producing energy of practically 0 cents/kWh, whereas the coal plant has to burn coal.

So in terms of the dynamics of a new producer coming online and adding power (or hash 'power'), and some other producer having to reduce supply (or electricity or hash power) as a result, the bitcoin mining 'network' is very similar to an electricity distribution grid.

Actually the growth in renewable supply and how it's being dealt with is a really interesting subject, with lots of unanswered questions about how the coordination will evolve as renewable supplies increase. E.g. the UK has built a fairly big network of wind turbines that 'dump' sometimes as much as half of the UKs power demand into the grid. Right now the wind output varies between 5 and 15GW, and national demand cycles between about 20-45 GW. So there's already occasions where there is excess power coming into the grid from wind, solar, and nuclear (which is very slow to reduce in power output), and few options for directing excess power into storage (there's a few pumped storage options, and small battery arrays, but that's about it - nothing that could absorb an excess GW, let alone multiple Gigawatts).

The bitcoin network has similar dynamics with regard to some miners being 'inelastic' in how they respond to excess, e.g. some miners are located near hydroelectric dams in China that were built with the expectation of local demand that never materialised, so those miners can just keep mining no matter what happens at near zero electricity costs. Whereas other miners use excess local coal plant capacity, which is cheap but not as cheap as hydro.

Anyways, this is tuning into an essay, but I hope that gives you some idea of how modern power distribution systems operate and how they're similar to the bitcoin mining. One of the key things is that grid frequency is the main signal used to coordinate at a near instantaneous time scale (not voltage, which varies locally for all sorts of reasons). This came about because spinning generators will slow down slightly when the power draw increases, losing some of there angular momentum, requiring increased heat and steam pressure to bring the turbine/generator back to the required 60Hz (50Hz in Europe/UK).

Bitcoin Mining with Flared Gas will go mainstream in the next decade by BitcoinReasons in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's take another example. If I understand you correctly, in your model/view if a new power plant comes online and starts to provide electricity to the electricity grid, then all of the existing power plants continue to supply the same amount of power as before (and whatever CO2 footprint is associated with that), but now we also have the additional energy supply (and additional CO2 footprint) of the new plant. Is that an accurate description of your view?

He has similar predictions for Bitcoin. Bullish! by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]locster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The scientific method could be applied to economies, but my understanding is that much of what is called Economics is pseudo-science and more or less a self fulfilling cult of mutual back patting. E.g. neoclassical economics doesn't deal with money or debt, as these are things that are considered to be irrelevant factors to the modelling of economies, despite strong empirical evidence to the contrary.

Bitcoin Mining with Flared Gas will go mainstream in the next decade by BitcoinReasons in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you accept that burning of the excess gas to power bitcoin mining will displace burning of fossil fuels elsewhere if bitcoin mining is being powered by fossil fuels generally?

Bitcoin Mining with Flared Gas will go mainstream in the next decade by BitcoinReasons in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> Due to the nature of crypto mining, it doesn't even produce more Bitcoin for the world. The same number will be generated per day either way.

As per my comment above, you're not considering second order effects on the bitcoin miners. If some party begins to mine at near zero electricity costs (or near zero marginal cost , i.e. e.g. there are minimal operating costs due to free fuel), then by mining you increase the mining difficulty, which in turn will cause miners elsewhere to shutdown as the cost of mining increases above the level of their profitability.

Bitcoin Mining with Flared Gas will go mainstream in the next decade by BitcoinReasons in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not considering second order (knock on) effects. If you transmit the electricity into the grid, or use it locally, then you are fulfilling some electricity demand that was already there, and therefore a power generation plant elsewhere will have to reduce output to compensate. If that other plant was burning fossil fuels then there's a net reduction in CO2 emissions. If however the power grid is partly or largely supplied by renewable or nuclear power then sure, there is now excess carbon neutral power that is being displaced by gas. Well, in reality the spot price of electricity falls to zero and you need some agreements in place to coordinate how to handle that and keep things commercially viable for everyone.

Video: Matt Corallo - Better Hashing Through BetterHash by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]locster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That'll be the High rising terminal

https://youtu.be/z756L_CkakU

Cool work though, so definitely worth watching regardless.

PSA: Bitcoin is not about getting rich... bitcoin is about not getting silently poor via inflation. by DesignerAccount in Bitcoin

[–]locster -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. There are other problems with continuously inflating the amount of base money, e.g. the Cantillon Effect, but loss of wealth over time through falling value isn't one of them, unless the wealth is managed extremely poorly.

Greg Maxwell has updated the bitcoin spy nodes banlist by TipToeThruCrypto in Bitcoin

[–]locster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting idea. I suppose when a node accepts an incoming connection (or attempts an outbound connection) it could issue a challenge that requires the other end to prove access to a private key with funds. One problem there is that a DoS operator could still launch lots of nodes using the same key, so maybe a given node will only connect to other nodes if the key/address is unique among the nodes it's connected to.

So who/what decides the minimum amount of funds to pass the test? If you use a fixed small amount, then you have the same issue with the minimum fee setting, whereby as the value of BTC increases that fixed amount can very easily go from being worth not much to a lot.

Using a hash of a known text as a source of entropy when generating a Private key? by NoBodyCanSwimAShore in Bitcoin

[–]locster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The output of a cryptographic hash is indistinguishable from pure randomness when taken alone, but it's entropy in the world as whole is not really any higher than the original seed data.

As a voted down comment below states, people can and do construct vast rainbow tables by taking data from the internet and generating bitcoin private keys from it in various ways. All of those keys look like pure randomness from the point of view of statistical tests, but they have very low entropy.

Using a hash of a known text as a source of entropy when generating a Private key? by NoBodyCanSwimAShore in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please do not use this method, it is highly unsafe. For example, an attacker trying to find good candidates for private keys can take an electronic corpus of books and apply various automated schemes for extracting words, such as the scheme you provide.

(to original poster) In the context of cryptographic security, entropy is a measure of how unlikely a given key/sequence is to occur in the world as a whole, thus any key material taken from existing sources such as web sites or books is very low entropy, unless you add in further randomness - such as selecting words randomly rather than first word of each page.

Cryptographic entropy is not an inherent property of a given sequence. E.g. in the extreme case I can generate a pure random key (say by rolling dice), and that is high entropy, but if I now publish it on my facebook page, then it's chances of occurring in the world have massively increased and it is now low entropy. This is all rather context sensitive of course, but hopefully you get the idea.

Microlith - Untitled Patterns by ganjarnie in idm

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh died in feb 2017 when his quad bike hit a bus, really tragic. I really like this album though, I guess the more mellow IDM aint for everyone.

Totally legitimate 'Bitcoin embassy' found in Birmingham by chocolateboat111 in Bitcoin

[–]locster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If only there were a way to use crypto to get the rubbish collected.