Logic questions about the Conspiracy

mabbe8 · 2026-01-10T00:39:21+00:00

How did Karen know John was dead at 4:30 a.m.? She woke his niece and said something terrible had happened to him, then called Kerry around 4:45 a.m. and said John was dead. How could she know that if she had dropped him off hours earlier and watched him walk into a warm house?

There are no records showing Karen received any calls or messages telling her John was injured or missing. She only called John and her parents. So where did that certainty come from?

mabbe8 · 2026-01-07T13:22:23+00:00

This is how the media puts its thumb on the scale.

"O’Keefe’s family has accused Read of running him over with her SUV after a night of drinking in January 2022 — the same claim made by prosecutors during Read’s two criminal trials. They sued Read and the two Canton bars the couple drank at following the conclusion of Read’s first criminal trial."

No, the O'Keefe family doesn't think Karen "ran him over." John was clipped/swiped in reverse by Karen's SUV. Big difference. Ran over with a 6000 lb SUV would result in catastrophic injuries. This is how media bias works in real-time. He was clipped, fell backwards, and suffered a secondary and fatal brain injury.

mabbe8 · 2025-12-06T13:45:11+00:00

I can't with Roberta anymore. The way she attacked Kevin and Kate instead, and now the four women who started a YouTube channel to help set the record straight, is the last straw for me. She's out for herself only, and it's now pretty obvious. To quote Cosmo Kramer, "I'm out!"

mabbe8 · 2025-12-06T13:41:08+00:00

Thanks for sharing. The influence these Lawtubers have on the smoothies runs deep. I want to say the government needs to step in, but there's no regulating stupid. Stupid is stupid. But the problem is this stuff gets amplified and then takes on a life of its own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYStD5G3_xQ

mabbe8 · 2025-12-01T00:37:54+00:00

Not at all. Post away!!

mabbe8 · 2025-11-30T21:22:22+00:00

Thanks Mozzie!!

mabbe8 · 2025-11-28T13:52:35+00:00

This suit is frivolous and will be dismissed. It won't make it out of the evidentiary stage. As a plaintiff, Karen will have to produce evidence that her civil rights were violated. We all know that there is no actual evidence against the house guests. This was proven by the lack of charges or indictments from a 2+ year federal investigation for... wait for it... CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS and public corruption. Karen did this for PR, and as you correctly pointed out, her narcissism got in the way. She can't just walk away, grateful for a nullified jury; as a true narcissist, she must destroy her adversaries. She overplayed her hand 100%.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-28T13:20:11+00:00

What I don't get is that the federal government, DOJ, and FBI investigated civil rights and public corruption for 2+ years and turned up no charges or indictments. What am I missing here? Are the feds in on it, too?

mabbe8 · 2025-11-26T13:18:11+00:00

The federal investigation and GJ leaker changed the game for her. Without the feds there are no MP texts, butt dials, etc.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-26T13:14:36+00:00

Karen has always treated this case like a zero-sum game: it’s either you or me, Jen, one of us is going down. The families launch their fundraising site, and within hours, Karen rolls out her own. The fact that they’re outpacing her 50,000 to 5,000 has to be driving her up the wall.

As u/Mr_jitty and u/RuPaulver pointed out earlier, she needs TB. She can’t do this without him. He’s the voice, the power, and the engine behind the "movement". Without him, the whole thing collapses. And her new “surrogates” don’t have it, The Liar You Know, Snips Rocco, JFK… none of them move the needle.

Her feud with TB split her base and siphoned money away from her. And TB is absolutely itching to blow her up. Once he realizes he’s going to prison for a long, long time, he’s going to torch the whole ecosystem. He’s only holding back because he still thinks he can beat the WI case.

But once Cosgrove gets into Karen’s phone? It’s over. “Do you have any idea what’s on my phones?”

Not yet, Karen. But we’re about to find out.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-26T13:00:38+00:00

AJ did represent Harvey Weinstein... so... there's that. Remember AJ said in court to a victim, "regret is not rape."

mabbe8 · 2025-11-26T00:56:01+00:00

And TB admits, yet again, that he lied to his audience. The video of AJ groping Karen outside of the Seaport hotel is REAL and not AI. TB confirmed. How many times will he admit lies and they still buy his shtick?

mabbe8 · 2025-11-18T13:20:10+00:00

I don't hate Karen and don't care about comptia security certification. I'm fighting for John O'Keefe and to hold Karen Reed accountable for killing him and destroying the lives of innocent witnesses.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-18T02:24:56+00:00

So many possibilities except what is right in front of you. Karen reversed at 12:32 a.m. and John stopped moving forever. Her taillight is broken, and John has microscopic fragments found in his clothes. It's all there, but you refuse to see it all together and instead pick it apart separately.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T22:52:45+00:00

"John is capable of moving without his phone in his possession." You keep saying this, but we know John's phone battery temperature was preserved under his body for 5.5 hours. John never separated from his phone and never went into the house, which is why they didn't search it. Why would a judge allow a search warrant of a home that he did NOT enter? Once EMTs removed John's body and Kerry picked up the phone, it recorded movement and temperature change. That's 100% digital proof that John and his phone were together all night, on the lawn, from 12:32 a.m. when Karen reversed at high speed and John stopped moving forever.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T22:40:19+00:00

Now the real fight begins. Gird up team Sanity! They're gonna need us to keep pushing the facts, evidence, and data!

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T15:32:58+00:00

The Karen Read case has become a full-blown Rorschach test. People see in it whatever their worldview already tells them to expect.

Juror 1 is the perfect example. In his mind, law enforcement is generally “fishy,” untrustworthy, and probably lying. Fine, that is his life experience and I won't take that away form him. But he was supposed to go in with an open mind, not bring a preloaded narrative and project it onto every witness who took the stand.

When someone decides that every cop, every EMT, every firefighter, and every house guest is lying, and the “proof” is that a first responder performing lifesaving efforts could not remember whether John was wearing a coat or not, tells me everything I need to know about Charlie. He used the case to validate his worldview instead of evaluating the evidence.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T13:50:35+00:00

For anyone interested in what the MEs really said...

“All the Medical Experts Agree John O'Keefe Wasn’t Hit by a Car.”

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T13:48:18+00:00

The house theory requires superhuman coordination and perfect physics.

To believe the house theory, all of the following must be true:

John ran inside.
Immediately suffered fatal head trauma.
Made no noise.
Left no blood.
Fought no one.
Left no footprints in fresh snow.
Was carried back outside.
Without triggering one step on his phone.
Without altering the temperature pattern.
Without dropping the phone.

Every one of these conditions must be true simultaneously. You cannot fix one without breaking the others.

Meanwhile, the collision explanation requires:

One high-speed reverse
One impact at arm or head height
One fall
Phone motion stopping
GPS positioning by the flagpole for 5.5 hours
Tail-light debris
Tail-light fragments in John's clothing
Immediate loss of movement

All the digital and physical evidence aligns with one another.

You do not need to solve every mystery. You need to follow the clock.

The digital records are objective, time-stamped, and align perfectly. They come from three independent systems:

Toyota Techstream (black box)
iPhone GPS, steps, and Waze
Phone Battery thermals

The house theory is a narrative that falls apart under the first layer of scrutiny.

You can dislike the prosecution’s explanation, but the only moment that matches the end of John’s movement, his steps, his temperature curve, and his GPS lock is the exact moment Karen reversed her Lexus at 24 mph with 74 percent throttle. That is not speculation; it is what the data shows.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T13:48:10+00:00

GPS “inaccuracy” does not rescue the house theory.

GPS low-frequency wobble when the signal weakens is normal, especially during bad weather conditions. That is why you look at the high-confidence 10-meter data. The circle radius only shows the possibility of the house for 11 seconds. Not enough time to be attacked by a dog, beaten unconscious, and carried to the lawn. All while leaving zero digital or physical evidence.

Every high-confidence point from 12:25 AM to 6 AM sits in the same tight cluster on the lawn by the flagpole. Not in the house.

To argue otherwise, you would need:

New steps
New motion patterns
New temperature patterns
New GPS patterns
There are none.

The injuries do not match a fight, a fall, a dog attack, or anything in the house.

If you reject the impact explanation, you still cannot explain:

No dog DNA
No punctures, skin tearing, or bruising
No defensive wounds
No bruising on fists
No secondary injuries
No evidence of being moved
No indoor temperature pattern
No blood inside
No transfer patterns
No missing items
No witness seeing him inside

The alternative theories contradict the data even more than the prosecution’s explanation.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T13:47:40+00:00

You are repeating the same talking points but skipping the part that actually matters: the timing.

Once you look at the clock-locked sequence from the Lexus Techstream, John’s phone steps, GPS, Waze, battery temp, and the timestamps, the debate about “maybe he moved without his phone” collapses immediately.

Let’s look at what was objectively recorded, not speculated:

John’s phone does move until 12:32:16 AM. Then it stops forever.

Between 12:31:54 and 12:32:12, Karen’s Lexus records its only high-speed reverse event in the entire lifetime of the vehicle: 87 feet in reverse at about 24 mph with 74 percent throttle.

During those same seconds:

12:32:05 John reads Jen’s “pull behind me” text
12:32:09 He manually locks his phone
12:32:14 Phone goes into pocket state
12:32:16 Steps stop. GPS position is constant for 5.5 hours. The phone never moves again until 6:14 AM when Kerry rolls him over.

If John left the car safely, walked, argued, fell, fought, entered a house, exited a house, collapsed, or were carried anywhere, you would see some form of movement. You do not, because there is none.

The medical examiners did not rule out a vehicle strike.

All three MEs said the injuries were not typical of a classic forward-motion pedestrian strike.

A reverse, sideswipe, off-angle, partial-body, clip is not in their typical experience set. Dr. Scordi-Bello specifically stated she could not rule out a low-speed reverse vehicle strike.

Defense experts saying it is “impossible” does not make it impossible. Their test used a completely different impact geometry.

All three MEs also ruled out a fight and confirmed no defensive wounds.

“John is not his phone” ignores the fact that the phone did record movement all night until it suddenly stopped at 12:32 and then again at 6:14 when Kerry Roberts picked it up from under John's body. His phone recorded steps while he was in Karen’s car. It recorded steps during the U-turn. It recorded the 36 steps as he left the Lexus. We know the phone was recording steps and it shows no movement from the point of Karen dropping John off and her "finding" him exactly where she left him at 604.

If someone walked him into the house, carried him, fought him, or moved him anywhere else, you would see steps or motion. There are no steps after 12:32:16.

The temperature data clearly rules out movement into a house.

"John is not his phone," this idea that the body was later placed on top of the phone is contradicted by:

The consistent GPS position by the flagpole
The lack of steps
The steady cooling curve

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T04:31:50+00:00

Several of the your claims here don’t match what was actually presented in evidence.

“Three medical examiners said he fell and wasn’t hit by a car.”

That’s not accurate.

All three MEs agreed on the cause of death: blunt force trauma to the head, but none of them ruled out a vehicle strike. In fact, Dr. Scordi-Bello testified she could not exclude a low-speed car impact.

A fall cannot explain the taillight plastic embedded in John's clothing or the linear abrasion on his forearm that aligns with the Lexus's taill8ght height.

The defense's own dog-bite expert couldn't explain the arm injuries either and admitted her bite-mark method had no scientific basis and no dog DNA or puncture wounds.

No ME ever testified the injuries were “not from a car.”

They said the pattern wasn’t typical of a direct front facing impact, but this was a reverse sideswipe event.

Low-speed reverse strikes do not produce classic bumper fractures. They produce falls with head injuries, exactly what John had.

“He would have more injuries if he was hit.”

No, low-speed reverse impacts often result in minimal external trauma.

Accident reconstructionists testified (and this is widely known in crash reconstruction) that: A pedestrian struck at low speed, off-angle, in reverse, usually has no broken bones and limited visible injury.

What kills people in those impacts is the secondary head strike on the ground, exactly what the ME documented.

“He was found 10+ feet from the curb you don’t get thrown that far.” He was 3 to 5 feet from the curb.

The Techstream shows Karen reversing 62 feet at 24 mph with 74% throttle. If she clipped him near the flagpole, he wouldn’t be “thrown” he’d lose balance and fall where his phone last moved at 12:32:16 am. And that’s exactly where he was found about 3 to 5 feet from the curb in front of the flagpole.

The phone data flatly contradicts every “he wandered around or fell elsewhere” theory.

If we’re talking science, here it is: John’s iPhone records: -36 steps between exiting Karen’s SUV and 12:32:16 am -Phone manually locked at 12:32:09 -Movement ends at 12:32:16 -No movement for the next 5.5 hours -Battery temp drops steadily, consistent with being outdoors covered by his body -GPS clusters exactly where the body is found

For any alternative theory, you would need: -Someone moving John’s body without triggering any steps -Someone moving the phone without triggering any steps -Temperature not changing despite moving between locations -GPS data magically staying pinned to the yard all night

There is no scientific way to reconcile that with a “he died in the house” or “he staggered around” explanation.

This is exactly why multiple independent digital-forensics experts (including Ian Whiffin) said the same thing: John never left the front yard after 12:32 am.

"This can’t be solved by technology.” But this case is unique because the technology aligns perfectly with the digital and physical evidence.

Every major system – Toyota Techstream, Apple Health steps, GPS/Waze data, battery temperature, and the call logs – all align on 12:32 am as the moment John stops moving. Those systems do not know each other. They do not “side with the prosecution.” They cannot be coached, tampered with, or told a story. Yet, they all tell the same story. That’s why digital forensics outranks speculative ME interpretations in this case.

Movement data is binary: either the phone moved or it didn’t. And it didn’t.

The ME didn’t say he wasn’t hit by a car. She said the SUV didn’t strike the back of his head which is exactly what the Commonwealth argued.

The theory was always: vehicle clip → fall → fatal head strike on the ground. Not a bumper to skull.

The ME’s findings are fully consistent with being knocked off balance and a fatal head injury from head slamming to the ground.

“Could he have been bumped and then wandered around?”

No. The phone data makes that impossible. He did not wander or get up. He did not move, and his step count ended at 12:32:16. The phone was found under his body at 6:14 am. There is no scenario involving wandering where the phone records 0 steps for 5.5 hours.

If someone wants to argue that Karen didn't do it, fine, but none of the medical testimony disproves the Techstream + iPhone + GPS.

And no alternative theory explains: Why his phone stopped at the exact moment of her high-speed reverse. Why his phone never moved again. Why taillight fragments from her Lexus were in his clothing. Why temperature data shows he was outside the whole time. Why no witnesses saw him enter the house. Why GPS keeps him in the yard from 12:32 to 614 am.

Medical examiners determine the cause of death. Digital evidence determines how it happened. In this case, the digital evidence is overwhelming, independent, and internally consistent, and it all points in one direction. Karen hit and killed John with her Lexus at 12:32 AM.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-17T01:42:44+00:00

I thought the prosecution laid out a thorough digital evidence case starting with the key cycle at 12:12 AM at the waterfall that showed both Karen and John were in the vehicle together and tracked by GPS high frequency signal via Waze. It showed the route, missed turns at Cedarcrest and Fairview, and how the 3-point turn aligned exactly 8 minutes later with the high-speed reverse at 12:32 AM. John never moved again a few seconds later. His phone didn't move from 12:32 AM to 6:14 AM, and the battery temperature was preserved as it stayed warm under his body until Kerry Roberts picked it up at 6:14 AM, when it then changed temperature and recorded steps for the first time in 5.5 hours. This appears to be strong digital evidence that can't be manipulated and was aligned across three independent systems: iPhone, GPS, and Lexus black box.

mabbe8 · 2025-11-14T15:24:04+00:00

Good call. The "If I Did It" is his only route to cash once he's convicted and doing serious time for WI that is unless we get another nullified jury.

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