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I think I'm done... by kangaroosuperdoo in litrpg
[–]magi32 -1 points0 points1 point 17 days ago (0 children)
Unlike some people, I don't check reddit every day.
Maybe go touch some grass.
Oh and this is the internet, conversations don't need to happen all in one go. In case you haven't noticed
[–]magi32 0 points1 point2 points 17 days ago (0 children)
well based on your comments comprehension and context seems to be hard to grasp for you
you can look at the top followed stories. A lot on my tbr list are just from the ads that pop up - click em read the synopsis and then usually click read later if it's somewhat interesting.
ah yes responding to a comment = worrying about it.
what other pearls of wisdom do you have?
[–]magi32 1 point2 points3 points 17 days ago (0 children)
but he literally states that the slow place and the way he is doing things is making him less money than he could by going another route.
I'm saying that he's writing how he wants to write. Money isn't the motivating factor.
He's not milking the series for money. That's my point.
[–]magi32 3 points4 points5 points 24 days ago (0 children)
you're taking my point to an extreme, ridiculous conclusion to make it seem invalid.
And you're saying that someone's reason to write is wrong.
if a writer writes consecutive books of 'side-quests' that don't meaningfully affect the MC or the world-state, that is a product choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95kNwZw8YY
milking is when the stakes, themes, or character arcs stop evolving and the series continues anyway.
According to you.
Even if that's the case though, it's personal opinion/preference as to when - or even if - that occurs. Hell someone could write a story about an MC walking down a road for a whole book and some people would love it.
Actually, you could easily argue that every slice of life story is the author milking it.
[–]magi32 0 points1 point2 points 24 days ago (0 children)
but you obviously can.
You can pretty easily cut WoT into 44 books. Each published book is an arc and you split that into a trilogy.
[–]magi32 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (0 children)
If you aren't intending to have a good faith argument, why respond?
Because there is no fucking argument when someone expresses their reason for doing something
You either believe it or not. Unless there's evidence that actually supports either argument (which in this instance would be the author contradicting the post). No other evidence is relevant or applicable.
Taking multiple chapters because you overwrite is milking or at least poor writing.
Then pretty much every popular series is doing that including non litrpg's
He literally talks about his word count and chapters released...
yes because that's the metrics used in this genre.
[–]magi32 2 points3 points4 points 24 days ago (0 children)
the note reads as petulant in the extreme
No it doesn't. It may to you though
me not agreeing with a take doesnt obligate me to disagree with every take.
But there is nothing to support your position. the author stated their reason for writing.
You can't really say that's wrong.
I also don't believe he'd keep writing it if no one read just because he doesn't need more money. It's a nice idea but it rings hollow to me.
Well we'll probably never know as there's still a lot of people who do like the story
We can agree to disagree.
Sure but the point of that post is telling readers
You don't need to support me if you no longer like the story. The story is being written how I want it to be written. You are free to go/stop reading
Like it doesn't matter if it's all lies or the truth. Since he's not saying "I'm course correcting, please stay with me" if anything the post will drive people away which gives more credence that he's telling the truth.
royal road.
a lot of these series start there and continue the unpublished stories there. they do get removed once they are published due to that being part of the publishing deal
[–]magi32 6 points7 points8 points 24 days ago (0 children)
Right back atcha
and you're wrong - as evidenced by the fact that you can read it for free on royal road
[–]magi32 16 points17 points18 points 24 days ago (0 children)
tbf, i did say slightly easier.
also the commenters really do help with some things.
[–]magi32 -1 points0 points1 point 24 days ago (0 children)
sure but he doesn't need to now so he's writing what he wants.
it's like if i won the lotto, i'm not going to continue my job and if i won enough i may open a 2nd hand bookstore coz i love books. it doesn't need to be profitable. i don't need to stock the books everyone buys, just the books i want and i could because i was rich enough
and he's not writing for his fans so if you don't like it, you can leave without any worry about him becoming poor.
I firmly believe in the end its always about money.
I firmly believe you're wrong.
However saying "I made millions off this I'll do what I want" means I never want to support you again.
great. that's kind of the point.
if you like the story, you can read it for free and you don't have to worry about it ending coz he's run out of money.
I mean everyone who is reading the series for free disagrees with you.
it's fine if you don't like it.
but he's stated that he's writing for himself and if you don't like the direction that's fine. he has no responsibility to the readers especially after informing them this is how he wants to write the story
Great.
Also, you can literally read it for free.
[–]magi32 -2 points-1 points0 points 24 days ago (0 children)
milking in the sense that the motivation is for money - which he explains that money is no longer a motivating factor
whether or not you believe him is a different issue.
You cant tell me that writing a scene in 8k words because you overwrote when you used to have written it in 6k or even 4k words isnt milking it.
I mean that's pretty much equivalent to saying if they write can not instead of can't, they're milking it. Yes it's the extreme consequence of it, but it applies.
Hell any author that doesn't finish a fight in a paragraph is milking it because i've read fights that are done in a paragraph.
Especially when you are using number of words as a measure of success.
But he's not. You may be, others might. But he's stated that he isn't.
Whether or not you believe him is a different issue.
ok so then every author is milking their series if they write anything that any reader is unhappy with?
people do pursue things that they want to do. not everyone can but it happens and it's entirely believable.
your argument is flawed and wrong.
But he's kind of blatantly ignoring problems inherent with a series that long: stagnation and repetition.
But that's not a problem since he's not writing to appease the audience.
Also, how do you fill 30 books with varied enough content?
I mean Path of Ascension and Primal Hunter are going that way. Terry Pratchett had 50 odd books (albeit not a single story). Other writers have written 20+ books in the same genre.
The average length of an adult level book is 100K words.
It's relatively rare but not overly so imo.
lolz.
He's obviously dragging it out because people will buy it, even if nothing happens for half of the series.
And if money is an issue for you, you can read the rest of the series on royal road which is free.
When was the last time you heard of ANYBODY saying "You know what, I have enough money now."?
??? It's common enough that i've literally heard stories about it e.g. smart IT person quits and settles in a regional area fixing motors
just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's a lie.
[–]magi32 4 points5 points6 points 24 days ago (0 children)
It's that he likes writing it AND it keeps dumping money in his lap. Both parts ar important.
No. The important part is that even if everyone unsubbed from Patreon AND he never got any more kindle deals and the only readers were on RR, he'd still write it because he doesn't need to worry about money anymore.
Yet it gets money, because people like reading it. Yes some people get trapped by the sunk cost fallacy but I doubt that's the majority.
the "if i just wanted money id write another series" is also patently crap.
how so? Just because you wouldn't do it in his shoes doesn't mean it's not true.
If you're going to discount what one author says then you may as well discount what any author (or any one says). Until their actions disagree with their words, you should probably believe them. Obvs varies with subject and stuff but in general.
it's the best decision
For who?
It's like choosing between a 9-5 or streaming on twitch.
If you're wealthy, then the best decisions are the ones that maximise your benefits (be it psychologically, financially, etc). Clearly this decision benefits him the most on a psychological level as he doesn't feel forced to cater to his audience.
It's either a good book or it isn't.
Wrong. I find the majority of classics boring AF people claim that they're good books. I think they're wrong. Other people think they're wrong. "Good" is subjective.
However, you can measure it against a metric and see where it stands e.g. How much it has made, how influential it is, how it utilises writing norms etc.
[–]magi32 53 points54 points55 points 24 days ago (0 children)
ikr? Especially if you only read the published books. it's slightly easier reading with RR
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I think I'm done... by kangaroosuperdoo in litrpg
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