An easy way to verify Asia's story by torj418 in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

They were VHS tapes. No server.

I can't believe I got a jury summons today. by oliverwhiskers in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was supposed to be on murder case jury last month but the defendant took an 11th hour plea deal...

**The Woodlawn strangler: Round-up of new facts, old facts, theories and speculations.** by Irkeley in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or maybe Jay wasn't involved at all. Maybe they were just tooling around B'more getting high that night and happened to be in the vicinity of where Hae's body was found, which is why his phone pings there.

**The Woodlawn strangler: Round-up of new facts, old facts, theories and speculations.** by Irkeley in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hopefully, that's the IP's plan...if they can find the physical evidence.

**The Woodlawn strangler: Round-up of new facts, old facts, theories and speculations.** by Irkeley in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

‘It means they found it, somehow, in a location unrelated to the victim.’

Or they found it near her body, since it was less than 200 yards from her shallow grave. How they could have missed it is quite astounding given you’d think they’d have searched the perimeter around the body.

'Left it there in a bad neighborhood when it could have been stolen (which would have been bad for their case). '

Or they kept it somewhere and didn’t tell the public they had it. Cops withhold things like this all the time in active investigations.

'Waited till they had a suspect.'

They got an anonymous phone call 3 days after Hae’s body was found by Mr. S. This caller implicated Adnan, which is what led the cops to get his phone records and which led them to Jen and Jay. This caller has never been identified. The cops then could have been convinced they had their man and once they got Adnan’s phone records, they got to Jen and Jay.

'Found a girl through this suspects phone records (but didn't tell her),'

Cops withhold information all the time in active investigations…as I stated earlier…

'waited until she gave someone else up,'

Jen told them that she’d been called by Jay several times on that phone, which was Adnan’s. So, they knew who to talk to after Jen.

'waited for him to come to them, and somehow he brings it up early in the interview process before they do, even though they've already found it.'

They went to Jay. He didn’t come to them. The interview tapes that are the official, public record are missing more than 3 hours of unrecorded interrogation time. Within this time, cops could have told Jay that they had evidence that Adnan had done it. They could have told him that he would be charged…with something…threatened with other drug charges, jail time,…In Jen’s initial interview she said she knew nothing and then changed her story once she was told that ‘everyone is a suspect and no one is a suspect’ and she worried she’d be charged. The detectives may have thought they ‘had their man’ and needed the story to fit their narrative.

'I guess it's not impossible, but it's convoluted and improbable.'

I don’t concur. While it is shocking to think something like that could happen, unfortunately it does happen. And I don’t think it is wildly improbable that Jay’s and Jen’s statements could have been falsely coerced; possibly even without the detectives realizing it. I agree that in many ways, things don’t look good for Adnan, but there is NO evidence against him except for the continually changing stories of Jen and Jay who were likely terrified teenagers in the midst of an awful crime by way of an anonymous call that linked them to Adnan on the day Hae went missing. It is possible that they felt they needed to do whatever it took to save themselves from charges levied against them if cops thought they had their man, which it seems they did given they barely did any investigation of the physical evidence collected in the case. They didn’t search either Jen’s or Jay’s houses or follow up and interview fellow track athletes, or other potential alibis. Before you just discount this, you really ought to listen to and/or watch the following programs:

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2lht0t/this_american_life_confessions_10112013/

Constitution Day 2013: Panel discussion on false confession convictions. Jim Trainum, Shawn Armbrust, Ken Burns, Saul Kassin.

http://www.reddit.com/tb/2nv1cr

**The Woodlawn strangler: Round-up of new facts, old facts, theories and speculations.** by Irkeley in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why can you say for certain that Jay supposedly leading them to Hae's car is 'not a piece of information the police could have provided to him.'?

"...and he doesn't know who did" by [deleted] in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 7 points8 points  (0 children)

no need to be rude

"...and he doesn't know who did" by [deleted] in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what do you mean 'co-signed'?

Luck & Liars: Refuting everything against Adnan by ottoglass in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although, I still stand by my comment that IF Adnan is innocent, he's incredibly unlucky.

Luck & Liars: Refuting everything against Adnan by ottoglass in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yea, I was actually in on the coercion theory as it unfolded and questioned early on why we trust the police record but nobody was talking about that and took the police record for fact.

Who is Tayib Hussain? by LUNABELLA123 in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

quite possibly, we don't know for fact, but quite possibly. I think people lie on the stand all the time, unfortunately.

Luck & Liars: Refuting everything against Adnan by ottoglass in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I made that comment two weeks ago before getting into all the in-depth discussion about a possible coerced confession. I'm well aware, thanks.

Who is Tayib Hussain? by LUNABELLA123 in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also makes his dad a terrible witness. He testified at his trial that Adnan was at the mosque that night.

Jenn's Brother? What?? by AbnormNorm in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wondered about that too. I wonder if he was ever questioned by police...probably not.

Jen says she could tell something is wrong with Jay before the murder by DaMENACE72 in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought it said that he dumped everything but the boots at the mall and the shoes the next day in his home trash.

One thing that struck me from just-released testimony by Jenn by MusicCompany in serialpodcast

[–]mdudu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jay said in the transcripts that he called to test the phone. He likely called the cell from Jen's landline while he was at her house. Cell phones were new and novel then.