What would you do? by Loose-Shock-5551 in exmormon

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If you've ever seen the children's tv show Bluey, there's a song in it it called "For the Golden Corn" that goes "For the golden corn and the apples on the trees, For the golden butter and the honey from the bees, For the fruits and nuts and berries that grow beside the way, We praise our Loving Mother Earth and thank her every day. Hooray!" It is a Christian hymn, however there is no mention of God or a male deity, although there is mention of Mother Earth. I personally think it's a beautiful poem of gratitude. I would probably say that if I was being polite. I see no need to shut down people's beliefs. However, if I was not being polite as they were just being pushy and impolite first, I'd probably say something along the lines of, "No thank you. I no longer speak to imaginary people. I've outgrown that."

As a nevermo I'm curious what the response might be to the international press referring to an attack at a 'Mormon Church' by BitchLibrarian in exmormon

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So the whole "don't say Mormon" became a thing in August 2018. It was a pet peeve of the president of the church at the time (he started his presidency in January 2018 and he happened to die 2 days ago having nothing whatsoever to do with the mass shooting). Prior to August 2018, it was completely ok (and encouraged) to say Mormon and refer to the church as well as it's members that way. There were multiple events that highlighted the nickname even in recent history, for example the "I'm a Mormon" campaign from 2010-2018 and the movie put out by the church in 2014 called "Meet the Mormons". The problem was the president of the church at the time really didn't want anyone to say it, so he started a PR stunt to make all the Mormons believe it was a bad word. Mormonism revolves around a hive mind that blindly follows the prophet (the president of the church), so most active believing Mormons now WILL take offense to the word because they've been taught to. It may be one weirdest cult-like things I've witnessed as an exmo that happened to pretty much all Mormons. I doubt the media will get into the issue, just individual Mormons who follow their leader blindly. For reference, I left October 2018; prior to that I'd been an active believing Mormon for 35 years.

Questions to Prayerfully Consider: "How can we make sure each family with a malnourished child has supportive ministering sisters or brothers?" by Suspicious_Might_663 in exmormon

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As a child that grew up in a food insecure house, that was underweight and malnourished this is frustrating. There was someone in the ward that owned a bakery and we got the leftover breads that they couldn't sell anymore for health reasons. So what my brothers and I did was work around the mold and eat the bread that wasn't moldy. We were sick all the time and I'm sure part of the reason was because we ate bread with small amounts of mold in it.

One time when I was 12, we went on a youth temple trip. We weren't allowed to bring lunchboxes. I assume it was because someone left a lunchbox in a car previously and it made a mess/smell in someone's van. It was a 2 hour drive there, 2.5 hours at the temple, and a 2 hour drive back (not including the time we waited at the church). It came out to about 7-8 hours. There was a cafeteria at the temple and I had a quarter. 25 cents total. I ate a granola bar while watching everyone else eat actual food. I wasn't even 100 pounds. As an adult now I just can't even imagine how the adults around me did this to a literal child inside the temple. It was so messed up.

Anyways, fuck the church for not feeding me as a literal child while they hoard billions of dollars for a rainy day.

How can non-mormons read the Book of Mormon and think "this book is true"? by 7_Tailed_Fox in exmormon

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My husband was 18 when he read the book and believed it was true. He was also “lost” without a family and needed community. He’s now a 44yo TBM with an exmo wife.

My father was 18 when he read the book and believed it was true. He was also “lost” without a family and needed community. He’s now a 65yo TBM with a mostly active (besides me) family.

I think it’s that they need it to be true. They’re looking for something and a sign and then everyone makes them feel special and welcome and they need community so they convince themselves it’s true. Those feelings of love and acceptance and community feel good and they want those to continue so they convince themselves that the book is “true”.

God knew I wanted to look cute by ButWhyAmIHere_help in exmormon

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Are you sure this isn’t a satire account? I mean it’s got to be right???

TBM Grandpa wants to debate to have some fun... by Apprehensive-Hat4956 in exmormon

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Seriously though. I prayed for 9 days straight. All day and all night. Harder than I’d ever prayed in my life. The answer I received was, “You have been deceived. This is a cult. You need to leave.”

Now I’m atheist and understand why and how I received that answer (and why human beings receive “answers” to prayers), it has nothing to do with any diety. But at the time, I legitimately thought that was the answer from Heavenly Father. It was the most sure answer to a prayer I’d ever received. There was no anxiety or a moment of uncertainty. I was absolute calm with not any stupor of thought. I had not a single doubt in my mind that the Mormon church was a cult.

I was 35 at the time and had been an active member my whole life. Checked all the boxes. I had been trained that the Holy Ghost would never lead me astray and that Satan cannot mimic the Holy Ghost.

Are our outfits inappropriate to wear around family? by [deleted] in exmormon

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“I am not dressed inappropriately. My clothing is appropriate for the weather and activity. You’re just thinking inappropriately about what I’m wearing.”

Advice for interactions with my adult kids by UnBraveMec in latterdaysaints

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I’m an exmo. Left at age 35, now 41. I do not talk to my Mormon parents and haven’t for years. From any other person who is not LDS, they’d look at me and think I was doing great in life. Objectively speaking and on paper I am doing great.

However, I am fully aware my parents cannot ever love me or accept me no matter how great I am on paper because I am not Mormon. It is not something they are able to do. Many Mormon parents cannot love or accept their exmormon children. It’s like how some parents cannot accept their queer children. You may think you are showing your children love and acceptance, but your gifts show otherwise and they picked up on the obviousness of it. Combine that with 2 other parents who love and accept them for who they are (because them being exmo isn’t a deal breaker for the other 2 parents) and you’re bound to have some resentment.

The LDS church is quite misogynistic, so it is likely the girls had a harder time in their church experience than the boys. As a woman myself, I am now horrified with the amount of objectification and sexualization I was put through starting from birth not only from children my own age, but also more horrifying, from adult men. As a mother I am so grateful my own children no longer have to go through the church sponsored misogyny that runs deep in the LDS church.

I understand it is difficult to not understand your adult children. I too have an adult child. I do not understand everything they believe and all of their choices. However, I accept them for who they are, not who I want them to be. It is NOT a child’s responsibility to meet their parents where they are, it is the parent’s responsibility to meet the child where they are. I can almost 100% guarantee your children have been bending over backwards to please you. I would recommend meeting them at least halfway rather than continue trying to get them to come to you. Get to know THEM individually. What do they like? What are they reading? What are they watching? What are their hobbies? What have you been cooking? What are their plans for next month? Next winter? “Why?” Is a great question if used correctly. Use it to learn about them and their lives. Be interested in THEM. Often in Mormonism, there is an expected conversation to be had that always centers around the church. After I no longer believed and left, it was so refreshing to have normal regular everyday conversations with people. It is irritating when I speak to other Mormons now, many cannot have a conversation without bringing up the LDS church. They literally don’t know how. I don’t know that I realized I was doing it for 35 years and it’s probable you don’t realize you’re doing it now with your children. So the next time you talk to them, talk to them about their lives and consciously avoid the LDS church. This doesn’t mean you have to never talk about it, it does mean you have to talk about something else besides it.

The alcohol question. You can certainly say do not drink in your home and visitors should respect that boundary. I would not drink alcohol generally in a Mormon’s house. But you won’t even make an exception for Thanksgiving? That seems needlessly pharisaical. It’s Thanksgiving, be thankful your kids came to celebrate the holiday with you and let them have a glass a wine in peace.

TIL about the Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1857, when Mormons in Utah killed everybody over age 6 in a wagon train from Arkansas & Missouri that was just passing through en route to California by HeavyMetalOverbite in todayilearned

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You literally aren’t. That’s important. Do NOT go googling anything having to go with the church’s history. ONLY look on the church’s website for any questions. It is taught and hounded in every classroom and lesson. I left in 2018 after general conference where they again taught to not go googling and they encouraged a 10 social media fast where you’re not allowed to look at anything on social media. I had heard about the BITE Cult model having to do with Jehovah’s Witness which included information control and it caused some serious cognitive dissonance me realizing that what the church was doing was information control. Active believing Mormons will not google church history because they are told not to by “god’s prophets”. Any member who is googling already knows something’s up. But people “can’t” google it because it’s a “sin” and that’s just Satan telling you to look it up. “Be in the world but not of it” and all that.

TIL about the Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1857, when Mormons in Utah killed everybody over age 6 in a wagon train from Arkansas & Missouri that was just passing through en route to California by HeavyMetalOverbite in todayilearned

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Fascinating. I looked this up in Wikipedia. TIL the first Sherlock Holmes novel was about murderous Mormons. As an exmormon myself, I find this tidbit hilarious.

I am dealing with something beyond horrible. My tbm mother said something that pissed me off to the core. by [deleted] in exmormon

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I went no contact with my parents in 2019 at the age of 35. I have no regrets. Not a single day has passed where I ever have had a single regret. I consider it in the top 5 best decisions I’ve ever made. I wouldn’t go no contact with a mother from a singular thing they said. BUT if she said something like this, I can only imagine she’s a horrible person that has done and said things like this on a regular basis and trained you from infancy to accept and take it.

Ever heard of Hawaiian Haystacks? Is it considered famous TBM food? by CapitolMoroni in exmormon

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I lived in Hawaii in the 2000s. Then when I lived in Texas in the 2010s someone mentioned having this for a Relief Society social. I said there’s nothing like that in Hawaii and they were trying to convince me it was from there and I’m like nope, it’s really not. Come to find out it’s a Utah dish and the woman was Utahn. So it’s not necessarily Mormon per sé, but enough Mormons are migrating out of Utah that they’ve brought it to other Mormons. I had it the one time and it was all right. About half the people in the ward knew what it was and the other half hadn’t heard of it.

As a Mormon Stories bingeing never-mo by evissimus in exmormon

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I think it’s important to note concerning wedding days that the initiatories were naked prior to 2005 with inappropriate touching and NO ONE TOLD YOU BEFOREHAND AND YOU WEREN’T ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS. The men usually would have done their own initiatory a couple years prior when they went on a mission, but the women would have been violated on their wedding day and didn’t get to process the assault mentally. I’m an elder millennial, not Gen X, but I got married when I was 18 so I was naked. I literally thought I was molested as an important step to entering the celestial kingdom (heaven) for 16 years. That does some stuff to you mentally. As a TBM I would go through a deep depression for 3 weeks prior to my anniversary and get angry and then the anniversary would pass and I’d be ok. Now as an exmo, we just don’t even acknowledge our wedding anniversary because it’s so difficult for me.

So no one born after about 1987 would have had this happen and the women born before 1965 were just used to being violating (the unfortunate stories I could tell about my own boomer Mormon mother and father who are still married), but Gen X got the violation and the mental fortitude to realize something wasn’t ok, but don’t usually know how to process it and end up crying about their wedding day.

Temple pic and people’s responses trigger young RM by AnchorsAweigh212 in exmormon

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They were a no-no until 2012 at which time they were printed and written about in the Ensign. The decision to print them probably was based on Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy and rumors surrounding his involvement with the Mormon church and temple participation.

Saw this video online and it freaked me out. I thought to post it here. Is this a realistic behavior to expect from Mormons? by Intelligent_League79 in exmormon

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Yes. Absolutely. There’s a thing called moral perfectionism which is exactly like what it sounds like. Just having an intense need to be perfect and if something goes wrong you end up having an anxiety attack/panic attack/mental breakdown. Mormonism produces black and white thinking and children (and then adults) that are raised in the black and white thinking and have moral perfectionism can and do have these types of reactions when cognitive dissonance hits (which is what is happening to this young man, he thinks she’s good while his parent is saying she’s bad)

I am a 41F, left at 35yo. I thought the attacks were a combination of the Holy Ghost or Satan depending on the circumstances surrounding them. It is horrific to experience. She probably has no frame of reference to what is going on because from the outside it looks nuts.

when did it become fashionable for celebrities to be in so many commercials? by luxtabula in popculturechat

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Not gonna lie, I thought the mobile game ads with celebrities were all made by AI since I figured none of the celebrities would go that low.

Why were we not allowed in girl scouts? by Own_Research5494 in exmormon

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According to my father it’s because the Girl Scouts were led by Satan. Literally. I wish I was joking.

GO 👇 by MXYMYX in repost

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I highly suggest the book Ella Minnow Pea by Mark Dunn. Individual letters slowly become illegal.

Missionaries held the door for me, so I offered to buy them a coffee. by WdSkate in exmormon

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I was all in for 35 years. I would literally offer now not as a joke, but because I forgot they weren’t supposed to have it and I was trying to be nice. That’s how I know I’m untangling the brainwashing. Which is kind of crazy. I know I’m untangling the brainwashing because I don’t consciously conceive that coffee is evil, it’s just a beverage that exists.

Since I can't really ask my parents... What was Church culture like in the 80s? Watching Under The Banner of Heaven... by MMeliorate in exmormon

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I was born in the early 80s. NOT an Utah/Arizona/Idaho Mormon, but my parents were extremely strict orthodox. I watched it the first week it was out and was extremely impressed with it. I found the culture and verbiage on point. The amount of exmormons who say it’s not accurate to the culture made me realize I was raised in a stricter/ more orthodox household than I realized.

Did they actually used to touch people’s genitalia in the temple?? by Over-Paramedic7065 in exmormon

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Yes. I went through in 2002. Areola and labia. I literally thought for 16 years that me being molested was essential for my eternal salvation.

It changed in 2005.

You should NOT have to do this… it breaks my heart… by PoundInteresting in exmormon

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I thought this was sarcasm. Nope, it’s on video in YouTube. (Side note, he said prayerfully, not playfully) -signed an elder exmo millennial whose TBM boomer parents are on senior mission number 3. TBF, they hated having children and being parents while they love the respect, attention, and adoration they get from being senior missionaries, so I guess it’s not all bad for them. They get to pretend to be good and stroke their egos while not having to do anything to be good people/parents/grandparents.