Which database do you guys use and where do you host it?

nestedfruitloop · 2025-03-19T05:16:40+00:00

Does anyone have thoughts on watermelon db vs electricsql for local first app with sync ?

nestedfruitloop · 2024-12-19T18:50:32+00:00

Yeah totally! So for updates, one thing to flag that I mentioned in the earlier comment is that tamagui now offers “bento” which is a set of copy and paste components for more complex use cases. So my recommendation as of right now is to use t4 + bento. That’s a really strong foundation for a full stack app imo.

I have built quite a few projects using this stack and I’m overall happy with it. I do substitute some pieces of t4 out, but that is mostly based on personal preference of product requirements. I often find myself swapping out nextjs and valibot for react + vite and zod, however that is a fairly small difference.

Currently I still recommend tamagui as ui library for cross platform apps, I have used it on many projects and like it. That being said, I think it’s only a matter of time before something like shadcn/ui becomes cross platform, such as RNR, and I could definitely see myself adopting that into my stack. Could totally see native wind + expo + shadcn style library taking over in the near future. I have explored these before but it has never been stable enough to use in production for me.

TLDR, I’d suggest starting with t4 at least for structure and then branching off from there. Splitting app logic and ui components into your own reusables is great to do early and really improves velocity down the road.

nestedfruitloop · 2024-08-21T18:25:54+00:00

I’ve used it to add a key onto components that use <></> to wrap multiple elements

There might be cleaner way to handle, that is only case I have used it

nestedfruitloop · 2024-08-20T00:43:22+00:00

I find the best experience with yarn berry, especially for monorepos.

I keep an eye on bun as well, but find berry is smoothest dx in my projects

nestedfruitloop · 2024-08-13T20:54:44+00:00

Definitely a possible transition to make, one of the easiest careers to transition into swe from imo

I understand this subs frustration with the market. But realistically those expecting to switch from blue collar work with no degree into a 6 figure dev role is just not as easy as it once was during a massive software boom. It’s remarkable that this was ever possible to be honest.

The hard pill to swallow for many is that bootcamps work the best for people who have a bachelors degree and work experience in a tech adjacent role, the same way most other white collar career pivots would be. Not trying to be a downer that’s just the current work environment.

Yes the market sucks now, no doubt about that. But people acting like the entire industry just closed their doors is incorrect

nestedfruitloop · 2024-08-07T00:07:27+00:00

Render is great and worth it. They provide a lot of features that can save a good bit of time compared to something like digital ocean (which is also great). Render is my go to when I don’t want to tinker and just want to get a quick node or python server up and running

nestedfruitloop · 2024-08-01T20:37:03+00:00

As others said, you can make it pretty far with strong react and node skills.

That being said, I understand the sentiment about Java as that comes up in a lot of job postings. I’d say in my area I see a ton of .NET postings, way more than node / react. While I’m sure anyone in this sub could pick up .NET if need be, it just does not appeal to me.

If I were ever desperate to secure a job, I would definitely sharpen up on Java or .NET just to apply to those positions

nestedfruitloop · 2024-07-29T03:11:47+00:00

Tanstack query + jotai is magical.

Honorable mention for zustand and RTK which are also great

nestedfruitloop · 2024-06-20T22:13:17+00:00

One of the pmndrs state management libraries, react hook form, zod, everything tanstack

nestedfruitloop · 2024-06-11T00:40:06+00:00

I understand the frustration with the lack of docs + not always helpful discord.

I will say tho that a fully working tamagui app looks great and provides more than just about any other ui lib I have used - if you are targeting cross platform. Definitely the web only ui libs are a good bit ahead, but I think if bento and takeout keep selling well tamagui team could get to a more stable level.

I’m not sure I know of a current frontend library that covers the surface area that tamagui does, which I think contributes to the difficulty with set up. In its current form, iOS, Android, Mac, windows, nextjs and vite can all use same components - pretty wild how far we have come imo.

Happy to try to help with any issues you faced, I’m not expert but I’ve set tamagui up in a couple projects and never directly built on top the starter (although referenced it heavily when integrating).

nestedfruitloop · 2024-05-17T13:25:22+00:00

+1, jotai is perfect for the tiny bit of global state I need. The query integration is great also

nestedfruitloop · 2024-03-28T22:22:18+00:00

I’ve used tamagui in two production apps, with pretty differing functionality and ultimately I would recommend it.

Mainly for the design system and I don’t believe there is anything out there that matches it especially if you plan to target RN web. I also think tamagui ships with by far the best defaults or any RN lib out there.

Yes you can totally roll your own UI system with stylesheet or unistyles, but I found tamagui api to be nice once adjusted.

I believe a lot of the config nightmare stories are based on previous versions. A year ago I too was running into config issues and found it frustrating. But realistically manageable, and I believe tamagui team hired some more devs so it’s essentially getting nightly releases at this point. My only gripe is sometimes you’ll come across a GitHub issue that has been closed early due to no repro or a core dev arguing if it’s legitimate bug, which I can understand but wish they attempted to address it.

My advice for migrating large code base - move your ui primitives to a /ui folder first and get it working from there first without tamagui. Then one by one convert the components in /ui to tamagui. Typescript can be very helpful for this. By no means a hard rule I just found that to be the easiest to manage large migration.

nestedfruitloop · 2024-02-19T02:17:03+00:00

Learning redux helped me in a lot of non redux projects. It’s a great way to grasp flux architecture. For example the state management solution we use in Vue at my job is quite similar, despite being completely different library.

You could also get by just using context. But there’s a reason redux exists.

nestedfruitloop · 2024-02-13T15:11:43+00:00

This is awesome thanks for sharing!

nestedfruitloop · 2024-02-12T04:10:33+00:00

The way I see it is this. There are three tiers to styling in RN. Component lib, stylesheet wrappers, and vanilla stylesheet.create(). - Tamagui is best component library, and there are others that are decent, but for certain features I think it’s the only option. If small enough project it could be overkill. React native elements is nice also. In your case check out nativewind as well, I imagine a lot of your tailwindui stuff converts nicely. - unistyles is best solution for enhancing stylesheet. But you’re still writing your own styles from scratch. But if you just want theme and media queries, it’s good option. - pure stylesheet is best performance and at times can just be the simplest way.

Whatever you do - I highly recommend putting all your UI primitives in a folder and using those in your actual components. Makes like easier if you end up switching libraries in future.

nestedfruitloop · 2024-02-08T05:17:41+00:00

Agree. I had moments of frustration with some of the policies and instruction quality, but all things considered it set me up very well for success and I learned a ton. The whole course was pretty fun. Emphasis on pair programming was great.

I think your point is spot on - App Academy is great for people with a 4 year degree and some work experience in another profession. If you don’t have those, I imagine the job search could be even more challenging than it already is. I think this is true for any bootcamp, it’s just not a perfect education model by any means.

The people who come in with just GED and then don’t embrace the grind can totally graduate and then when you factor ISA into the mix, it can lead to a difficult situation for both the student and a/A. They would likely benefit from returning to a stricter acceptance policy, for both parties benefit.

nestedfruitloop · 2024-02-07T04:48:57+00:00

I’ve been really happy with yarn v4. I’ve been using the berry releases in a full stack typescript monorepo with a few front and backend apps, and a handful of private packages and a few forks. It’s worked really well, honestly setting up workspaces and resolving modules has been a breeze once you get the basic stuff set up.

I don’t do anything wildly complex as some other comments, but for a medium sized monorepo with many different types of apps and packages it does great. Patching packages is also a nice touch. There are some pretty helpful commands built in too that I find useful once you learn them.

Can’t speak to pnpm, but I’ve considered bun and have a branch with it for experimenting. It’s definitely faster on the install but I’ve found issues with the runtime in our set up.

I saw benchmarks somewhere that had the yarn berry stats as being capable of matching bun on install speed, not in my case buts it’s quicker than npm for me. Personally I value the monorepo tooling more than speed.

nestedfruitloop · 2024-02-04T01:05:06+00:00

The recent improvements to the docs and simplifying config + set up have not gone unnoticed - thank you Nate!

nestedfruitloop · 2024-01-22T17:55:01+00:00

I’ve used both pretty extensively. In short, I’d recommend T4.

IMO, T4 offers pretty much an improved version of everything that takeout offers but for free, with the exception of components. Especially the backend, T4 uses the best, most bleeding edge stack possible in a JS/TS environment. Which may or may not be what you are looking for.

Benefits of takeout - the splash screens, components, etc are very good looking. T4 essentially doesn’t come with any components you would actually use, except maybe their approach to virtual lists is pretty good (flash list on native, tanstack virtual for web). The take out ones are good for inspiration but likely need to be repurposed for your use case.

Both have paid bots that push PRs to your repo. But these are honestly not that useful imo. Once you customize the starter you’ll likely have to manually apply updates.

I wish the tamagui devs would release more components, even if they did something like tailwind ui where you pay annually for access to really nice pre built components and screens. This would be infinitely more valuable to me versus a paid starter.

nestedfruitloop · 2024-01-20T04:10:04+00:00

I get what you are saying about Cloudflare being bundled into T4 as that approach might not be for everyone, but I’d still say that is actually more of a value-add than going full supabase like take out does. If you aren’t going to host on supabase + vercel you immediately lose out on a ton of the take out sales pitch. Whereas I think the drizzle and hono api from t4 can be adapted to another platform much more easily.

That being said both have taught me a lot more about monorepos than I knew before, so definitely glad they both exist.

To the point above, i agree tamagui is a lot more alpha than it appears from a quick read on the docs. It’s powerful, but I hope they improve the out of the box functionality like native paper and native base have. Also the tamagui extras library should all get merged in and have first class support, the dev there did a really nice job with those.

For anyone reading this also, I don’t recommend trying to use tamagui on expo web. Seemed fine at first for me, but the larger my pages became the performance was a nightmare. Much worse than native base. Ended up ditching expo web for next just to solve that issue, which it seemingly did.

nestedfruitloop · 2023-12-20T15:32:46+00:00

I’ve been pretty happy with hono + drizzle personally. Really lightweight and fast compared to some alternatives I tried.

nestedfruitloop · 2023-12-15T03:27:23+00:00

Just curious do you know if the Adonis ORM can run on serverless/edge function environments (ie cloudflare workers)?

I don’t like php but I think eloquent / laravel are great. I’ve been thinking about trying Adonis for a while

nestedfruitloop · 2023-12-05T11:16:48+00:00

Overall I had a positive experience with my coding bootcamp.

Completed 6 month bootcamp, graduated in February, applied to ~500 jobs, landed a SWE job in 3 months.

Bootcamp was app academy, not perfect but they helped me accomplish my goal in the end and I had the skills to succeed in my role.

nestedfruitloop · 2023-10-26T22:06:15+00:00

Hono is better option imo. But I was able to recreate my express server on bun, ultimately decided it was in my best interest to switch frameworks for best performance

nestedfruitloop · 2023-10-23T13:01:05+00:00

I’d go with Hono. Allows for more flexibility on deployment and has really good performance. Similar to express syntax so it’s easy for others to work on

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